Re: Ah, Jeez, Here We Go Again ...

2006-05-08 Thread Gruss Gott
> gMoney wrote: > tA better term might > be "propagation" of the fittest. > That's what I think of when I look at this chart: http://www.handprint.com/LS/ANC/evol.html To me it says that some line of Homo Egaster spawed 3 different races: 1.) Homo Erectus (who discovered fire), 2.) Homo Heidelb

Re: Ah, Jeez, Here We Go Again ...

2006-05-08 Thread G
But the theory states that those small changes help choose which species survive. As the changes that prove beneficial become traits of the species, that species "evolves"...hence survival of the fittest. A better term might be "propagation" of the fittest. > The Theory of Evolution does not s

Re: Ah, Jeez, Here We Go Again ...

2006-05-08 Thread Jerry Johnson
The Theory of Evolution does not speak to the survival of the fittest, or more correctly, natural selection. Evolution only deals with small changes over time. On 5/8/06, Chesty Puller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Um, survival of the fittest? > ~~~

Re: Ah, Jeez, Here We Go Again ...

2006-05-08 Thread Gruss Gott
> Matt wrote: > Um, survival of the fittest? > Well, this really means the economically fittest - ironically. There's such a thing as a "war chest" and unless you have a big one that means you can't wage war too long. In order to get enough disposable capital to wage war you either have to have

Re: Ah, Jeez, Here We Go Again ...

2006-05-08 Thread Chesty Puller
Um, survival of the fittest? - Matt - Original Message - From: "Jerry Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 9:39 AM Subject: Re: Ah, Jeez, Here We Go Again ... > Um... not even close? > > On 5/4/06, Ches

Re: Ah, Jeez, Here We Go Again ...

2006-05-08 Thread Jerry Johnson
Um... not even close? On 5/4/06, Chesty Puller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Isn't this > what evolution is all about anyway? ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:206275 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.co

Re: Ah, Jeez, Here We Go Again ...

2006-05-05 Thread Sam
What a great song :) On 5/5/06, Gruss Gott wrote: > "The meek shall inherit the Earth ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:206244 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/5 Subscription:

Re: Ah, Jeez, Here We Go Again ...

2006-05-05 Thread Gruss Gott
> Viv wrote: > Their social structure, their adherence to peaceful values, and their > tolerance of the differences between the members of the tribe, "The meek shall inherit the Earth? That's ok, we'll just beat them up and take it back." ~

Re: Ah, Jeez, Here We Go Again ...

2006-05-05 Thread Robert Munn
Sure, there is more to civilization than military might, but great civilizations have always contributed across the spectrum. The Chinese invented gunpowder and cannons, but they also invented kites, acupuncture, and many other things. The Roman Empire conquered all of Europe with military might,

Re: Ah, Jeez, Here We Go Again ...

2006-05-05 Thread Chesty Puller
hich might be harmful to the human. I thinnk diversity is a ridiculous notion, we should celebrate sameness. It's more boring, but it prevents conflict. - Matt - Original Message - From: "Vivec" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" Sent: Friday, May 05,

Re: Ah, Jeez, Here We Go Again ...

2006-05-05 Thread Vivec
Culturally? Try the Amerindian tribes living in Trinidad. Their social structure, their adherence to peaceful values, and their tolerance of the differences between the members of the tribe, oneness with their environment has yet to be matched by either US culture or Spanish.They also mirrored som

Re: Ah, Jeez, Here We Go Again ...

2006-05-04 Thread Robert Munn
But it's in the past and immutable, which I think was his point. We can only learn from it, we can't change it. If anyone could learn from this lesson today, it would be the African Union and the UN, which have stood by while millions of people have been slaughtered in civil wars in Africa over th

Re: Ah, Jeez, Here We Go Again ...

2006-05-04 Thread Robert Munn
That's just details. The Inca could have wiped out Pizarro's party and they still, over time, would have been subjugated because they lacked the military technology and might of the Spanish empire. This story is repeated, all over the world, all throughout history. The Mulsim Caliphates of the Mid

Re: Ah, Jeez, Here We Go Again ...

2006-05-04 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
rom: "Zaphod Beeblebrox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Community" > Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 2:57 PM > Subject: Re: Ah, Jeez, Here We Go Again ... > > > > okay, that's a little bit of revisionist history there. Pizarro had a > > handful of m

Re: Ah, Jeez, Here We Go Again ...

2006-05-04 Thread Chesty Puller
est of eternity. Isn't this what evolution is all about anyway? - Matt - Original Message - From: "Zaphod Beeblebrox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 2:57 PM Subject: Re: Ah, Jeez, Here We Go Again ... > okay, that'

Re: Ah, Jeez, Here We Go Again ...

2006-05-04 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
okay, that's a little bit of revisionist history there. Pizarro had a handful of men (maybe a couple hundred) The Inca had an army of over 30,000. If the Inca had wanted to, they could have wiped out Pizarro. They fought according to their rules and not the spaniards which included that when yo

Re: Ah, Jeez, Here We Go Again ...

2006-05-04 Thread Robert Munn
I'm not endorsing the waves of genocide that occurred when the Europeans colonized the Americas, but your little tirade fails to recognize that the Mesoamerican civilizations regularly fought and slaughtered each other, as did the Europeans internally, as did the civilizations of the Middle East, A

Re: Ah, Jeez, Here We Go Again ...

2006-05-04 Thread DeaDCitY Skinhead
Which culture was more advanced and developed at the time Spain arrived in south and central America? Which one Gellie, come on man. YOu really have gone off the deep end. On 5/4/06, Vivec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Look, that way of thinking is utter and complete BS. > > It is the same, exa

Re: Ah, Jeez, Here We Go Again ...

2006-05-04 Thread G
> Look, that way of thinking is utter and complete BS. My thinking that countries should be free to forge their own destinies instead of under empirical rule...is complete BS? > > On 5/4/06, G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > Regardless of Gel's hyperbolic outburst, I think there's a good point >

Re: Ah, Jeez, Here We Go Again ...

2006-05-04 Thread Vivec
Look, that way of thinking is utter and complete BS. It is the same, exact thinking of the Christian Missionaries that slaughtered millions of native americans in the United States, that enslaved and degraded an entire people in the Caribbean Islands because they needed to be shown the way to do t

Re: Ah, Jeez, Here We Go Again ...

2006-05-04 Thread G
> Regardless of Gel's hyperbolic outburst, I think there's a good point > there best articulated by RoMunn - on the whole, imperialism seems > have, in the end, helped many countries emerge from 3rd world status. But we all know that the end doesn't justify the means. Many countries have suffered

Re: Ah, Jeez, Here We Go Again ...

2006-05-04 Thread Gruss Gott
> gMoney wrote: > You should print out a copy of this email and attach it to your application > for admittance to Belleview... > Regardless of Gel's hyperbolic outburst, I think there's a good point there best articulated by RoMunn - on the whole, imperialism seems have, in the end, helped man

Re: Ah, Jeez, Here We Go Again ...

2006-05-04 Thread Vivec
Yes massawe will commit ourselves to Belleview...trust in massa that this is what is good for us. On 5/4/06, G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You should print out a copy of this email and attach it to your application > for admittance to Belleview... ~~~

Re: Ah, Jeez, Here We Go Again ...

2006-05-04 Thread G
> Some MPD sufferer wrote: > Lol! You think that's what he meant? > > Sorry I only have this to go by: > "You'll have a person > like Gel rally against US imperialism - maybe justifiably. But you > have to wonder if there isn't benefit to it." > > So.. > > o/ I WANNA be a Cooowwwboooyyy!! > With t

Re: Ah, Jeez, Here We Go Again ...

2006-05-03 Thread Cameron Childress
On 5/3/06, Vivec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > o/ I WANNA be a Cooowwwboooyyy!! > With the top let back and the sunshine shining!! Vivec is a cowboy. Do you have a cowboy hat? -Cameron PS: y-haw ~| Message: http://www.house

Re: Ah, Jeez, Here We Go Again ...

2006-05-03 Thread Gruss Gott
> RoMunn wrote: > The places colonized by > Spain (and throw Portugal in there)- most of Latin America, the Phillipines- > followed a more Catholic/monarchist imperialist path, and they are not > generally as developed, stable, or prosperous as the original British > colonies. > [actually replying

Re: Ah, Jeez, Here We Go Again ...

2006-05-03 Thread Vivec
Lol! You think that's what he meant? Sorry I only have this to go by: "You'll have a person like Gel rally against US imperialism - maybe justifiably. But you have to wonder if there isn't benefit to it." So.. o/ I WANNA be a Cooowwwboooyyy!! With the top let back and the sunshine shining!! COW

Re: Ah, Jeez, Here We Go Again ...

2006-05-03 Thread Robert Munn
Gruss can speak for himself, but his comments seem to be directed at imperialism generally and not the US specifically. I would actually trace it back to European imperialism starting in the 16th century. This is a very large generalization, but here goes: the places colonized by Britain- Canada (e

Re: Ah, Jeez, Here We Go Again ...

2006-05-03 Thread Vivec
*smirk* And who ruled the US to show them how it was done? Or is it only Americans and Protestant Extremists kicked out of Europe that are allowed to struggle and find their way to prosperity? Other races and peoples just aren't good enough huh. They need to be ruled with an iron fist, and shown

Re: Ah, Jeez, Here We Go Again ...

2006-05-03 Thread Chesty Puller
ay 03, 2006 6:56 PM Subject: Re: Ah, Jeez, Here We Go Again ... > I'll give you ten bucks if this move actually improves their economy. > > Ask yourself this one question. Why is it that many of the most > resource-rich nations on the planet- especially resource-rich in oi

Re: Ah, Jeez, Here We Go Again ...

2006-05-03 Thread Robert Munn
I'll give you ten bucks if this move actually improves their economy. Ask yourself this one question. Why is it that many of the most resource-rich nations on the planet- especially resource-rich in oil and gas- have had some of the most screwed-up, corrupt, repressive regimes in human history? Wh

Re: Ah, Jeez, Here We Go Again ...

2006-05-03 Thread Chesty Puller
d be much better off. Like those Mid-East countries. - Matt - Original Message - From: "G" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 10:12 AM Subject: Re: Ah, Jeez, Here We Go Again ... > I'm all for leaving them to their ow

Re: Ah, Jeez, Here We Go Again ...

2006-05-03 Thread Gruss Gott
> RoMunn wrote: > I don't think anyone is suggesting doing anything other than leaving them to > their own devices. It's just sad to see yet another doomed experiment in > Communist economics. > This is what makes me wonder about imperialism. You'll have a person like Gel rally against US imperia

Re: Ah, Jeez, Here We Go Again ...

2006-05-03 Thread Robert Munn
I don't think anyone is suggesting doing anything other than leaving them to their own devices. It's just sad to see yet another doomed experiment in Communist economics. On 5/3/06, Bram wrote: > > My point being they elected this guy, they know what they are getting, he > is > not planning/threat

Re: Ah, Jeez, Here We Go Again ...

2006-05-03 Thread G
I'm all for leaving them to their own devices. But it's still a bad, bad idea. > My point being they elected this guy, they know what they are getting, he > is > not planning/threatening to invade other countries that I know of so leave > them to their own devices. ~~

Re: Ah, Jeez, Here We Go Again ...

2006-05-03 Thread Michael Bramwell
My point being they elected this guy, they know what they are getting, he is not planning/threatening to invade other countries that I know of so leave them to their own devices. On 5/3/06, G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > So because they are poor, they should support something that not only > gua

Re: Ah, Jeez, Here We Go Again ...

2006-05-03 Thread G
So because they are poor, they should support something that not only guarantees they will remain that way, but just might bring the rest of the country down to their level? > So what, this is what he was elected to do. His majority of support comes > from Bolivian peasants who have been agains

Re: Ah, Jeez, Here We Go Again ...

2006-05-03 Thread Michael Bramwell
So what, this is what he was elected to do. His majority of support comes from Bolivian peasants who have been against private ownership of Bolivia's resources for some time. And if it fucks up well they will be no worse off (really poor and treated like dirt) than they were before. On 5/3/06, V

Re: Ah, Jeez, Here We Go Again ...

2006-05-02 Thread Vivec
The companies themselves are waiting on a further explanation of the new rules and requirements for them to operate. Apparently they are unaware of the details. http://tinyurl.com/oh8dc [[The Government aims to study the impact of the nationalization of Bolivia's oil and gas industry on investmen

Re: Ah, Jeez, Here We Go Again ...

2006-05-02 Thread Robert Munn
So stupid. Bolivia is already the poorest country in South America. So now he seizes oil fields and pisses off his big neighbor, Brazil, whose state-owned oil company has a big stake in Bolivia, and which is a major customer for Bolivian gas. Total bonehead move brought on by well intentioned but w

Re: Ah, Jeez, Here We Go Again ...

2006-05-02 Thread DeaDCitY Skinhead
Don't worry guys, he knows were spread thin in the middle east, or he wouldn't be trying any of this. The way I see it, it'll be that much funnier when it's his own people dragging his corpse through the streets in a few years, rather than him in US Army custody. On 5/2/06, William Bowen <[EMAIL

Re: Ah, Jeez, Here We Go Again ...

2006-05-02 Thread William Bowen
> "Troops Deployed In Move to Block Foreign Influence" You know, I don't think we ever got payback for what the Bolivian Army did to Butch and Sundance! -- will "If my life weren't funny, it would just be true; and that would just be unacceptable." - Carrie Fisher

Re: Ah, Jeez, Here We Go Again ...

2006-05-02 Thread G
Just waiting for Gel to tell us this is a GOOD thing > "Troops Deployed In Move to Block Foreign Influence" > > Oh goody. > > On 5/2/06, Gruss Gott wrote: >> >> Bolivian President Seizes Gas Industry >> Troops Deployed In Move to Block Foreign Influence >> >> By Monte Reel and Steven Mufs

Re: Ah, Jeez, Here We Go Again ...

2006-05-02 Thread DeaDCitY Skinhead
"Troops Deployed In Move to Block Foreign Influence" Oh goody. On 5/2/06, Gruss Gott wrote: > > Bolivian President Seizes Gas Industry > Troops Deployed In Move to Block Foreign Influence > > By Monte Reel and Steven Mufson > Washington Post Foreign Service > Tuesday, May 2, 2006; Page A01 > > CA

Ah, Jeez, Here We Go Again ...

2006-05-02 Thread Gruss Gott
Bolivian President Seizes Gas Industry Troops Deployed In Move to Block Foreign Influence By Monte Reel and Steven Mufson Washington Post Foreign Service Tuesday, May 2, 2006; Page A01 CARACAS, Venezuela, May 1 -- Bolivian President Evo Morales seized control of the country's natural gas industry