Re: Hybid Fans, You Were Right!

2005-06-23 Thread Ben Doom
Dude. Those aren't "worms" -- they're "Graboids"! --Ben Aaron Rouse wrote: > Lets not be silly here, this is a serious place after all. No hills of > course, moebius strips and worm holes are quite commonly found here. ~| Fin

Re: Hybid Fans, You Were Right!

2005-06-23 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
Write your governor about having them installed. :P > Oh, we do not have such things down here in Texass > On 6/23/05, S. Isaac Dealey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Worm hole in the shape of a moebius strip. :P >> >> > How would you get home? >> >> > On 6/22/05, Cameron Childress <[EMAIL PROTE

Re: Hybid Fans, You Were Right!

2005-06-23 Thread Aaron Rouse
Lets not be silly here, this is a serious place after all. No hills of course, moebius strips and worm holes are quite commonly found here. On 6/23/05, Larry C. Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hills or moebius strips? > > larry > > On 6/23/05, Aaron Rouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > O

Re: Hybid Fans, You Were Right!

2005-06-23 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Hills or moebius strips? larry On 6/23/05, Aaron Rouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Oh, we do not have such things down here in Texass > > On 6/23/05, S. Isaac Dealey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Worm hole in the shape of a moebius strip. :P > > > > > How would you get home? > > > > > On 6

Re: Hybid Fans, You Were Right!

2005-06-23 Thread Aaron Rouse
Oh, we do not have such things down here in Texass On 6/23/05, S. Isaac Dealey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Worm hole in the shape of a moebius strip. :P > > > How would you get home? > > > On 6/22/05, Cameron Childress <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> I've solved the problem. Just make

Re: Hybid Fans, You Were Right!

2005-06-23 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
Worm hole in the shape of a moebius strip. :P > How would you get home? > On 6/22/05, Cameron Childress <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> I've solved the problem. Just make sure you only go >> places that are >> downhill - then you can just coast there. >> >> -Cameron s. isaac dealey 954.522.6

Re: Hybid Fans, You Were Right!

2005-06-23 Thread Aaron Rouse
How would you get home? On 6/22/05, Cameron Childress <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I've solved the problem. Just make sure you only go places that are > downhill - then you can just coast there. > > -Cameron > > -- > Cameron Childress > Sumo Consulting Inc > http://www.sumoc.com > --- > cell

Re: Hybid Fans, You Were Right!

2005-06-22 Thread Cameron Childress
I've solved the problem. Just make sure you only go places that are downhill - then you can just coast there. -Cameron -- Cameron Childress Sumo Consulting Inc http://www.sumoc.com --- cell: 678.637.5072 aim: cameroncf email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~

Re: Hybid Fans, You Were Right!

2005-06-22 Thread Larry C. Lyons
The Alberta tar sands are in full production now, and have been since oil went over $30 a bbl. Its really dirty work - basically strip mining an area to get this bitumen soaked sand and shale, then processing it to extract the oil. The pay is great, but the work is ugly. (it helps when your father

Re: Hybid Fans, You Were Right!

2005-06-22 Thread Aaron Rouse
No, it was my mom and neither of those are her name. On 6/22/05, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It was either Hannity or O'Reily. The Kennedy's were pushing for the > windmills in the ocean, until they found out they'd be able to see > them from the compound in Nantucket. Then they fought lik

Re: [QUARRANTINE]Re: Hybid Fans, You Were Right!

2005-06-22 Thread Ben Doom
Also, a lot of that energy goes into transportation by truck. Getting ethanol out of MN and Iowa burns a lot of fuel. Piping it is generally less dangerous from an accident POV (I'm not going to delve into terrorism arguments here) and would dramatically drop the cost of transportation. Plus, I'

Re: Hybid Fans, You Were Right!

2005-06-22 Thread Sam
It was either Hannity or O'Reily. The Kennedy's were pushing for the windmills in the ocean, until they found out they'd be able to see them from the compound in Nantucket. Then they fought like hell to stop them. On 6/22/05, Aaron Rouse wrote: > Yeap, it sure is. I was talking to someone a few we

Re: Hybid Fans, You Were Right!

2005-06-22 Thread William Bowen
> Cool idea, however - what's generating all the electricity you're using > to plug in your car? Coal? Gas? Solar isn't efficient enough for this sort of work just yet (at least without large arrays - cost prohibitive for a method of converting energy that is at best 15-20% efficient). Wind on

Re: Hybid Fans, You Were Right!

2005-06-22 Thread Gruss Gott
> Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Doesn't help if nobody buys them. Nobody forced people to buy > SUVs/pickups but they make up half the traffic. Hummers got to be the > stupidest car made for the street but I see them all the time. > yes, but they also have delicious tax incentives to purchase

Re: Hybid Fans, You Were Right!

2005-06-22 Thread Aaron Rouse
Yeap, it sure is. I was talking to someone a few weeks who was pointing out some of our biggest problems is "us" We refuse to have certain things around that would actually help us out. An example they were going on about was I believe developing electricity from windmills along the gulf coast.

Re: Hybid Fans, You Were Right!

2005-06-22 Thread Robert Munn
This is a possibility. If oil goes to $70 a gallon, all sorts of things become economical. Here are some others: Oil shale: http://www.worldenergy.org/wec-geis/publications/reports/ser/shale/shale.asp Oil sands (bitumen): http://www.worldenergy.org/wec-geis/publications/reports/ser/bitumen/bit

Re: Hybid Fans, You Were Right!

2005-06-22 Thread Howie Hamlin
But, if you use alternate forms of energy to produce it (hydro, whatever) then you lessen your dependence on foreign oil which, IMHO, is a big bonus. Howie --- On Wednesday, June 22, 2005 5:11 PM, Larry C. Lyons scribed: --- > > The big problem with ethanol is that with current technology, it ta

Re: Hybid Fans, You Were Right!

2005-06-22 Thread Larry C. Lyons
The big problem with ethanol is that with current technology, it takes a bit more energy to create and transport the alcohol using corn than it put out. So while it may be less polluting, it doesn't really save a lot on energy. larry On 6/22/05, Howie Hamlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://ne

Re: Hybid Fans, You Were Right!

2005-06-22 Thread Larry C. Lyons
thx. larry On 6/22/05, Howie Hamlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&q=brazil+ethanol&btnG=Search+News > > --- On Wednesday, June 22, 2005 4:47 PM, Larry C. Lyons scribed: --- > > > > Do you have another URL, I got this message: > > -- > > You have tried to ac

Re: Hybid Fans, You Were Right!

2005-06-22 Thread Howie Hamlin
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&q=brazil+ethanol&btnG=Search+News --- On Wednesday, June 22, 2005 4:47 PM, Larry C. Lyons scribed: --- > > Do you have another URL, I got this message: > -- > You have tried to access a page that does not exist. You will be > automatically redirected to sea

Re: Hybid Fans, You Were Right!

2005-06-22 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Do you have another URL, I got this message: -- You have tried to access a page that does not exist. You will be automatically redirected to seattletimes.com in ten seconds, or click here. -- larry On 6/22/05, Howie Hamlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here's another option: > > http://seattletim

Re: Hybid Fans, You Were Right!

2005-06-22 Thread Larry C. Lyons
An alternative no one has mentioned much is Methane. Given the amount of sh**t we generate (not bs but real sh**t), and that almost every town is looking for some way to deal with the stuff, it may be an effective and cheap alternative. The town gets some extra cash, and you get a low pollution alt

Re: Hybid Fans, You Were Right!

2005-06-22 Thread Adam Haskell
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Re: Hybid Fans, You Were Right!

2005-06-22 Thread Howie Hamlin
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Re: Hybid Fans, You Were Right!

2005-06-22 Thread Adam Haskell
Probably won't see this in America any time soon but has anyone else see this: http://www.theaircar.com/models.html They are very cool and produce 0 polution at city speeds (< 35ish mph). Adam H On 6/22/05, Jim Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Cool idea, however - what's generating all t

Re: Hybid Fans, You Were Right!

2005-06-22 Thread Sam
Doesn't help if nobody buys them. Nobody forced people to buy SUVs/pickups but they make up half the traffic. Hummers got to be the stupidest car made for the street but I see them all the time. On 6/22/05, Gruss Gott wrote: > Hey all you hybid fans - in some previous threads I pointed out that >

Re: Hybid Fans, You Were Right!

2005-06-22 Thread Gruss Gott
> Larry wrote: > One alternative would be to push for hydro-electric more, or more > non-conventional hydro power. > Hook up health clubs - those treadmills gotta generate a lot of power. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdF

Re: Hybid Fans, You Were Right!

2005-06-22 Thread Gruss Gott
> Jim wrote: > I realize it's not zero-sum game, nor do I have comparitive graphs with > emissions comparisons between what a x cars put out in a 20 mile drive > vs. the increased output of a plant necessary to power them up (etc. I think you're right on with the solar panels, etc. There's been l

Re: Hybid Fans, You Were Right!

2005-06-22 Thread Larry C. Lyons
One alternative would be to push for hydro-electric more, or more non-conventional hydro power. larry On 6/22/05, Jim Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Cool idea, however - what's generating all the electricity you're using > to plug in your car? Coal? Gas? Admittedly, if this were an opti

Re: Hybid Fans, You Were Right!

2005-06-22 Thread Jim Campbell
Cool idea, however - what's generating all the electricity you're using to plug in your car? Coal? Gas? Admittedly, if this were an option, it would be interesting to see if, say, a solar-equipped garage could store enough juice (and be cost-effective enouth) to push into a hybrid's battery

Hybid Fans, You Were Right!

2005-06-22 Thread Gruss Gott
Hey all you hybid fans - in some previous threads I pointed out that Hybrid technology was a dead end with no win if you extrapolate it out. Well that's still sort of true, but I was foolish to overlook the benefits should Hybrid tech be expanded and distributed. In a nutshell, electricity and bi