Re: It's in the Koran

2006-02-02 Thread Vivec
Bullsh**. Arabs and Muslims throughout the middle east have protested Terrorism many times. The most recent major protests that I remember were after the bombings in Egypt where thousands took to the streets to protest terrorism. And it DID make the major news websites and CNN. So maybe it isn't

Re: It's in the Koran

2006-02-02 Thread Gruss Gott
Viv wrote: Arabs and Muslims throughout the middle east have protested Terrorism many times. From just about everybody I know who lives in the Middle East, they say that, in general, Bin Laden is a rock star. Also Chris Matthews just returned from a tour across Africa over Christmas and he

RE: It's in the Koran

2006-02-02 Thread Tim Heald
place. -Original Message- From: Vivec [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 6:17 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: It's in the Koran Bullsh**. Arabs and Muslims throughout the middle east have protested Terrorism many times. The most recent major protests

Re: It's in the Koran

2006-02-02 Thread Michael Dinowitz
In the original post I said almost 0 and any protests in the middle east are when their own people are killed and are very short lived. I'm sure you can look up those CNN pictures and show how many people were there, how long it lasted and who was being blamed. Bullsh**. Arabs and Muslims

Re: It's in the Koran

2006-02-02 Thread Sam
OK smart ass :) TW said: because it FUCKS WITH RADICAL MUSLIM FUCKS! So DT said: it does? But why is that funny? Because it shows how wierd those towelheads are, perhaps? So SM said: Are you saying all people with turbans are RADICAL MUSLIM FUCKS! I guess we should use censorship

Re: It's in the Koran

2006-02-01 Thread dana tierney
it's pretty tough from the archives, let me tell you ;) So help me out here -- not you dana what? I may have to start another account for this list. Not you, Dana. Try to follow the thread, maybe use gmail :) On 1/31/06, Tony wrote: no other reason is necessary.

Re: It's in the Koran

2006-02-01 Thread dana tierney
ah thanks, I'll check it out from my laptop later. On 1/31/06, dana tierney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it's no longer up ::shrug:: however I never met an Arab who had particular difficulty laughing at himself. Again, I really don't care much about in particular, but wow, there are a lot of

Re: It's in the Koran

2006-02-01 Thread Sam
Ah, it was a typo. Ignore On 2/1/06, dana tierney wrote: it's pretty tough from the archives, let me tell you ;) So help me out here -- not you dana what? I may have to start another account for this list. Not you, Dana.

Re: It's in the Koran

2006-02-01 Thread dana tierney
I find myself defending people I don't particularly like or understand here, but let me play devil's advocate a moment... is it possible that some of what you describe is due to media bias? Do we see news reports of Iraqi casualties, for example? Do you really think there aren't any? Suppose a

Re: It's in the Koran

2006-02-01 Thread dana tierney
oh so you were confused when you were telling me I was confused? OK, I can deal with that... Ah, it was a typo. Ignore On 2/1/06, dana tierney wrote: it's pretty tough from the archives, let me tell you ;) So help me out here -- not you dana what? I may have to start another account

Re: It's in the Koran

2006-02-01 Thread Michael Dinowitz
I see media bias the other way where terrorists are explained away rather than called terrorists. Until Hamas won the election, they were never called terrorists and every article about them stressed their 'good work' while downplaying their attacks. I know many Arabs and Muslims and the bottom

Re: It's in the Koran

2006-02-01 Thread dana tierney
ok, you are right. They are evil and should be exterminated. Next. feel better? I see media bias the other way where terrorists are explained away rather than called terrorists. Until Hamas won the election, they were never called terrorists and every article about them stressed their 'good

Re: It's in the Koran

2006-02-01 Thread Michael Dinowitz
No. I think your missing my point. I'm saying that targeting and killing children is evil. If America or a European country was doing it there would be protest. Where is the protest in the Arab/Muslim world against it when people that say they are representing Arabs and the Muslim faith are

Re: It's in the Koran

2006-02-01 Thread Michael Bramwell
I think some overly active generalisation is going here. Who are they? Do they include my Arab co-worker, my Arab flat-mate and his mates I consider friends. The Arab people I know are just as appalled by suicide bombings as they are by the state sponsored bombings by the west in their region. I

Re: It's in the Koran

2006-02-01 Thread Michael Dinowitz
As I've said before, the only time you hear of Arabs and/or Muslims that are appalled by suicide attacks, they are in the west. I'm generalizing to the Arab world where there is little protest against 'evil' attacks against their own people by their own people and none at all when the attacks

Re: It's in the Koran

2006-02-01 Thread dana tierney
exactly I think some overly active generalisation is going here. Who are they? Do they include my Arab co-worker, my Arab flat-mate and his mates I consider friends. The Arab people I know are just as appalled by suicide bombings as they are by the state sponsored bombings by the west in their

Re: It's in the Koran

2006-02-01 Thread dana tierney
maybe we do not hear very well. I know that I find it extremely illuminating to get my news covrage on Google News. The difference in spin between the Times of London, the New York Post, Fox News and Al-Jazeera lets say is pretty interesting. As I've said before, the only time you hear of

Re: It's in the Koran

2006-01-31 Thread Wayne Putterill
on it. Doesn't matter if its a Jew, Christian, Muslim or anyone else. Evil is evil and cutting off someone's head and saying that its ok because it's in the Koran (which they have) is just plain evil. Could a similar song be sung against Christians (and to a much lesser extent Jews

Re: It's in the Koran

2006-01-31 Thread Vivec
head and saying that its ok because it's in the Koran (which they have) is just plain evil. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:195167 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/5

Re: It's in the Koran

2006-01-31 Thread Wayne Putterill
or anyone else. Evil is evil and cutting off someone's head and saying that its ok because it's in the Koran (which they have) is just plain evil. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:195169 Archives

Re: It's in the Koran

2006-01-31 Thread Jerry Johnson
Can you show me where in the song or the text the creator (an ironic label) suggests that all Muslims are guilty of this thinking, or that all Muslims agree that the Koran says what it says? I think THAT is a leap. I cannot deny that I believe there are definitely Muslims in the world that would

Re: It's in the Koran

2006-01-31 Thread Kevin Graeme
Now Playing: Monty Python - Never Be Rude To An Arab Monty Python Sings On 1/31/06, Jerry Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you show me where in the song or the text the creator (an ironic label) suggests that all Muslims are guilty of this thinking, or that all Muslims agree that the Koran

Re: It's in the Koran

2006-01-31 Thread Jerry Johnson
I like Chinese is my favorite politically incorrect Python song, although Every Sperm is Sacred is a pretty close second. The Accountancy Shanty also comes up in rotation fairly often. And Clint Black's cover of The Galaxy Song is right in there as well. On 1/31/06, Kevin Graeme [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: It's in the Koran

2006-01-31 Thread Wayne Putterill
as they say, americans just don't get irony, he said ironically ;) ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:195183 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/5 Subscription:

Re: It's in the Koran

2006-01-31 Thread Sam
That video doesn't blanket Muslims. Smarter people can tell it's strictly referring to the extremists. We shouldn't have to explain that. On 1/31/06, Vivec wrote: Why single out Islam and promote hate speech, bigotry and intolerance against an entire religion due to the actions of a few fools.

Re: It's in the Koran

2006-01-31 Thread Sam
Aye, yer doin my' ead in. On 1/31/06, Wayne Putterill wrote: as they say, americans just don't get irony, he said ironically ;) ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:195219 Archives:

Re: It's in the Koran

2006-01-31 Thread dana tierney
I'm not sure it is. Christians refused to intervene for a long time even once the Holocaust was known. Your analogy of a song to praise Auschwitz is false. A song to say that bombing abortion clinics is in the bible (or justified by the bible, which it isn't) would be the proper analogy.

Re: It's in the Koran

2006-01-31 Thread dana tierney
and saying that its ok because it's in the Koran (which they have) is just plain evil. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:195274 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/5 Subscription: http

Re: It's in the Koran

2006-01-31 Thread dana tierney
Again, even assuming you are right... do you think only smart people will see it? That video doesn't blanket Muslims. Smarter people can tell it's strictly referring to the extremists. We shouldn't have to explain that. On 1/31/06, Vivec wrote: Why single out Islam and promote hate speech,

Re: It's in the Koran

2006-01-31 Thread Jerry Johnson
Dana, When did Christians claim the holocaust was the right thing to do because the Bible said so? I don't even remember reading the Nazis based their actions on this thought. Certainly refusing to intervene is not the same as The bible tells me to On 1/31/06, dana tierney [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: It's in the Koran

2006-01-31 Thread Tony
? If a group is using sacred writings to justify evil, then they can and should be called on it. Doesn't matter if its a Jew, Christian, Muslim or anyone else. Evil is evil and cutting off someone's head and saying that its ok because it's in the Koran (which they have) is just plain evil

Re: It's in the Koran

2006-01-31 Thread dana tierney
The Nazi's didn't afaik, but the pope refused to condemn it. http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/pius.html I've known and talked to various Arabs and not one of them has sounded remotely like this. Does the Koran tell them to do these things? I dunno, in the best of my

Re: It's in the Koran

2006-01-31 Thread Michael Dinowitz
And that has to do with the a song about using a holy book to justify evil actions how? Are you implying that Christians didn't intervene in the Holocaust because they felt their bible said the Jews deserved it? I don't see your linking logic here. I'm not sure it is. Christians refused to

Re: It's in the Koran

2006-01-31 Thread dana tierney
it does? But why is that funny? Because it shows how wierd those towelheads are, perhaps? I don't have any stake in this, but I see this kind of stuff more and more and I feel a moral need to say this - the first step to getting people to commit atrocities is to convince them that the target

Re: It's in the Koran

2006-01-31 Thread Jerry Johnson
Have you heard it yet? If not, then you absolutely cannot judge it. It is friggin hilarious. Taking a serious topic (frightening, painful, confusing, deadly serious) and juxtiposing that with a catchy, silly tune and an even sillier voice is the very definition of humor. At the same time,

Re: It's in the Koran

2006-01-31 Thread Sam
Are you saying all people with turbans are RADICAL MUSLIM FUCKS! I guess we should use censorship to prevent this kind of mistake from happening again. On 1/31/06, dana tierney wrote: it does? But why is that funny? Because it shows how wierd those towelheads are, perhaps? because it FUCKS

Re: It's in the Koran

2006-01-31 Thread Jerry Johnson
Where did I say that, Dana? Where did I even imply it? Was that a legitimate question, or are you just trying to pick a fight? If a legitimate question, of course people have killed because the bible told them so. Some because they were off their rocker (and if it wasn't the bible, it was the

Re: It's in the Koran

2006-01-31 Thread dana tierney
it's no longer up ::shrug:: however I never met an Arab who had particular difficulty laughing at himself. Again, I really don't care much about in particular, but wow, there are a lot of anti-Arab memes in circulation right now. Have you heard it yet? If not, then you absolutely cannot judge

Re: It's in the Koran

2006-01-31 Thread Michael Dinowitz
If someone was stoning adulterous women then I'd expect someone to make a song about it pointing out that these people are doing wrong and using their bible to support it. The point is that it is using parody to expose evil justified by a holy book. If this is done by a small percentage of the

Re: It's in the Koran

2006-01-31 Thread dana tierney
Not trying to pick a fight. I need a shower ;) You said When did Christians claim the holocaust was the right thing to do because the Bible said so? If your objection is confined to the Holocaust, fine. The massacres that were done in the name of Christianity did not include the Holocaust.

Re: It's in the Koran

2006-01-31 Thread Larry C. Lyons
So by that logic, then you have no problem with something using the blood myth in a song ridculing the Meyer Kane followers. larry On 1/31/06, Michael Dinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If someone was stoning adulterous women then I'd expect someone to make a song about it pointing out that

Re: It's in the Koran

2006-01-31 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
On 1/31/06, dana tierney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it's no longer up ::shrug:: however I never met an Arab who had particular difficulty laughing at himself. Again, I really don't care much about in particular, but wow, there are a lot of anti-Arab memes in circulation right now.

Re: It's in the Koran

2006-01-31 Thread Jerry Johnson
So, given that this is true, and that most Muslims (we were not talking about Arabs, but about Muslims, a very different cross section of the human race) both can laugh at themselves and do not fit very well the thrust and content of this ditty, then what again is the problem? That some people

Re: It's in the Koran

2006-01-31 Thread Michael Dinowitz
it's no longer up ::shrug:: however I never met an Arab who had particular difficulty laughing at himself. Again, I really don't care much about in particular, but wow, there are a lot of anti-Arab memes in circulation right now. Maybe we should wonder why and what can be done to change it.

Re: It's in the Koran

2006-01-31 Thread G
Um, explanation please for those of us who might not be up to speed on our Jewish history.. So by that logic, then you have no problem with something using the blood myth in a song ridculing the Meyer Kane followers. larry

Re: It's in the Koran

2006-01-31 Thread Tony
yeah sam, thats EXACTLY what i was saying. man, you are sharp as a fucking tack! tw On 1/31/06, Sam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you saying all people with turbans are RADICAL MUSLIM FUCKS! I guess we should use censorship to prevent this kind of mistake from happening again. On 1/31/06,

RE: It's in the Koran

2006-01-31 Thread Scott Stewart
: C. Hatton Humphrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 3:45 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: It's in the Koran On 1/31/06, dana tierney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it's no longer up ::shrug:: however I never met an Arab who had particular difficulty laughing at himself

Re: It's in the Koran

2006-01-31 Thread G
I think he was referring to Dana's response to your initial post, Weegsy. yeah sam, thats EXACTLY what i was saying. man, you are sharp as a fucking tack! tw On 1/31/06, Sam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you saying all people with turbans are RADICAL MUSLIM FUCKS! I guess we should

Re: It's in the Koran

2006-01-31 Thread Tony
i stand down then :) tw On 1/31/06, G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think he was referring to Dana's response to your initial post, Weegsy. yeah sam, thats EXACTLY what i was saying. man, you are sharp as a fucking tack! tw On 1/31/06, Sam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you

Re: It's in the Koran

2006-01-31 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Blood myth? So by that logic, then you have no problem with something using the blood myth in a song ridculing the Meyer Kane followers. larry ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:195307 Archives:

Re: It's in the Koran

2006-01-31 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Its pretty nasty. Its one of the foulest things that christians have made against the jewish people involving blood sacrifices of christian infancts. Its an integral part of the Protocols of Zion, but has been around since the time of Constantine. Its one of those things that deserves to be

Re: It's in the Koran

2006-01-31 Thread Sam
Not you, Dana. Try to follow the thread, maybe use gmail :) On 1/31/06, Tony wrote: yeah sam, thats EXACTLY what i was saying. man, you are sharp as a fucking tack! tw On 1/31/06, Sam wrote: Are you saying all people with turbans are RADICAL MUSLIM FUCKS! I guess we should use

Re: It's in the Koran

2006-01-31 Thread G
This discussion led me here: http://members.tripod.com/JCRelations/blood.html Pretty interesting. Its pretty nasty. Its one of the foulest things that christians have made against the jewish people involving blood sacrifices of christian infancts. Its an integral part of the Protocols of

Re: It's in the Koran

2006-01-31 Thread Tony
dude. totally fucking with you... wasnt being serious... come on now... and yea, i use gmail. and i wear a towel! On 1/31/06, Sam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not you, Dana. Try to follow the thread, maybe use gmail :) On 1/31/06, Tony wrote: yeah sam, thats EXACTLY what i was saying.

Re: It's in the Koran

2006-01-31 Thread Michael Dinowitz
But why would using the blood libel in a song ridiculing Meyer Kahan be comparable? It's a Christian thing used to ridicule a Jew. Either you don't understand my logic or I don't understand the point your making. Its pretty nasty. Its one of the foulest things that christians have made

Re: It's in the Koran

2006-01-31 Thread Larry C. Lyons
the point I was making was that using something very hateful to ridicule a people based on their beliefs is incitement no matter what. larry On 1/31/06, Michael Dinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But why would using the blood libel in a song ridiculing Meyer Kahan be comparable? It's a

Re: It's in the Koran

2006-01-31 Thread Michael Dinowitz
it, then it should be ridiculed. Is it hateful to say that these people are using the Koran to justify their murder? Maybe it is. Maybe it's denigrating the Koran but so is using it to sanctify murder. the point I was making was that using something very hateful to ridicule a people based

Re: It's in the Koran

2006-01-31 Thread Jerry Johnson
Larry, Are you saying the video is hateful, or that the speech the video is mocking that is hateful? On 1/31/06, Larry C. Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the point I was making was that using something very hateful to ridicule a people based on their beliefs is incitement no matter what.

Re: It's in the Koran

2006-01-31 Thread Kevin Graeme
I thought it was funny too. But then I thought the Yiddish with Dick and Jane was funny as well. http://www.vidlit.com/yidlit/ On 1/31/06, Jerry Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, given that this is true, and that most Muslims (we were not talking about Arabs, but about Muslims, a very

RE: It's in the Koran

2006-01-30 Thread James Smith
Very funny, someone is going to die! Found this while scanning the news. Rather funny and the creator will probably have his head cut off for it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEQc2y3BR30 ~| Message:

Re: It's in the Koran

2006-01-30 Thread dana tierney
what's funny about it? Found this while scanning the news. Rather funny and the creator will probably have his head cut off for it. http://www.youtube. com/watch?v=eEQc2y3BR30 ~| Message:

Re: It's in the Koran

2006-01-30 Thread Michael Dinowitz
The voice singing words that are spoken from mosques throughout the middle east most Fridays. The first section is almost word for word. what's funny about it? Found this while scanning the news. Rather funny and the creator will probably have his head cut off for it. http://www.youtube.

Re: It's in the Koran

2006-01-30 Thread dana tierney
well, that might be part of what I am missing. No sound in this computer... but I still don't get it. So we tack hate speech onto someone's religious observances and it's funny? I guess you could do praise of Auschwitz to Gregorian chanting... The voice singing words that are spoken from

Re: It's in the Koran

2006-01-30 Thread Jerry Johnson
Without sound, it really isn't funny. The sound without the visual is pretty good. The whole thing, sound and video, is hillarious. A great song, the cimputerized voice is perfect, and the words themselves are such a startling contrast to the pace and feel of the music. Very well done. On

Re: It's in the Koran

2006-01-30 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Define hate speech. Other than the rape reference, everything else is either verifiable from news reports or the words of those who interpret the Koran. The first section is almost word for word what the Muslim religious teachers say in their sermons. This is a song about what people do and

Re: It's in the Koran

2006-01-30 Thread Kevin Graeme
On 1/30/06, Michael Dinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could a similar song be sung against Christians (and to a much lesser extent Jews) for their treatment of gays due to biblical references? Can a similar song be sung against any religious writing when taken by people to justify what can

Re: It's in the Koran

2006-01-30 Thread Michael Dinowitz
If a group is using sacred writings to justify evil, then they can and should be called on it. Doesn't matter if its a Jew, Christian, Muslim or anyone else. Evil is evil and cutting off someone's head and saying that its ok because it's in the Koran (which they have) is just plain evil

It's in the Koran

2006-01-29 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Found this while scanning the news. Rather funny and the creator will probably have his head cut off for it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEQc2y3BR30 ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:194966

RE: It's in the Koran

2006-01-29 Thread Loathe
OMG that was funny as shit. Tim -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 1:10 PM To: CF-Community Subject: It's in the Koran Found this while scanning the news. Rather funny and the creator will probably have his head