> Zap wrote:
>
> that's because when the religions were made up, they weren't trying to
> give people hope as much as they were trying to scare them into a
> certain behavior.
>
DING! That's was John's view of Jesus' gospel.
And, at the time, Christians were being hunted and lived in caves so
t
1000 years of Christianity has taken John's view; i.e., if you go to
Christian church you hear John's version of Jesus. I think that's in
error.
Personally I take Thomas' view and Thomas would like Joel Osteen very much.
So that's why I'm saying to be careful befor
that's because when the religions were made up, they weren't trying to
give people hope as much as they were trying to scare them into a
certain behavior.
On Apr 23, 2009, at 11:42 AM, Erika L. Walker wrote:
>
> +++1 million
>
> Exactly. IME .. No one really truly seems able to be optimisti
Uhm, it was there when I sent it, it said, "Those were his words"
It didn't make it through to the archives either, might have something
to do with the odd-quote characters. Maybe the system is having
issues.
> Hey hatton - you keep cutting off your responses ... is that a sign?
>
> On Thu, Apr
Hey hatton - you keep cutting off your responses ... is that a sign?
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 1:18 PM, C. Hatton Humphrey wrote:
> Those were h
>
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> Which "scriptures"? Pre-canon or post?
Uhm, any.
.theres a lot better people qualified to say, 'Heres a book thats
going to explain the Scriptures to you.' I dont think thats my
gifting.
Those were h
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> cHat wrote:
> Getting back to the topic at hand, the reason that I see Joel Osteen
> as preaching a false doctrine is because he doesn't bother to check
> the scriptures
Which "scriptures"? Pre-canon or post?
If post, please defend the council's right to t
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 11:51 AM, C. Hatton Humphrey wrote:
> To which my response is typically, "Yes, and he gave us the rules he's
> going to use. They're defined in the Bible."
yes, that is the typical response..*I* know what God wants because he
told me.
(I better recuse myself from th
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 8:37 AM, Cameron Childress wrote:
>
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Yves Arsenault
> wrote:
> > Most discussions on anything related to people's belief turns into an
> "I'm
> > right and you're wrong".
>
> Or, "I am right, and you are so wrong you are going to burn in
> To which my reply is "only God gets to decide who goes to hell".
> Shuts them up everytime.
To which my response is typically, "Yes, and he gave us the rules he's
going to use. They're defined in the Bible."
Getting back to the topic at hand, the reason t
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Maureen wrote:
>
> To which my reply is "only God gets to decide who goes to hell".
> Shuts them up everytime.
Wow, then you must know some much more subdued evangelicals than I, for your
phrase would not shut them up...but would instead elicit the grand pooba
+++1 million
Exactly. IME .. No one really truly seems able to be optimistic when it
comes to religion and what others believe.
They can't simply say "I'm REALLY glad that what you believe in helps you in
your life and your goals and gets you through each day. Life is really tough
sometimes, and
To which my reply is "only God gets to decide who goes to hell".
Shuts them up everytime.
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 8:37 AM, Cameron Childress wrote:
> Or, "I am right, and you are so wrong you are going to burn in hell
> for all eternity unless you change your mind and agree that I am
> right"
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Yves Arsenault
wrote:
> Most discussions on anything related to people's belief turns into an "I'm
> right and you're wrong".
Or, "I am right, and you are so wrong you are going to burn in hell
for all eternity unless you change your mind and agree that I am
rig
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Scott Stroz wrote:
> You are just upset becasue they are right and you are wrong. ;)
Clearly.
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Most discussions on anything related to people's belief turns into an "I'm
right and you're wrong".
In my opinion.
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On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Cameron Childress wrote:
>
>
> That's not true at all. The "gospel" depends on your source and
> you're deriving as your source John's view of Jesus.
>
> Thomas - who also had the Jesus stamp of approval - had a very different view.
> ...
> In short, Joel is teaching a more Thomasian gospel. Maybe one might
> say more ... g
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 11:19 AM, Cameron Childress wrote:
>
> This really calls up
> the "I'm right you're wrong" view most religions seem to have baked
> right into their fiber, which is one of the most disgusting aspects of
> religion to me.
>
> -Cameron
You are just upset becasue they are ri
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Gruss Gott wrote:
> That's not true at all. The "gospel" depends on your source and
> you're deriving as your source John's view of Jesus.
It really depends on someone's personal beliefs. This really calls up
the "I'm right you're wrong" view most religions se
> cHat wrote:
> congregations... but he is ultimately doing them a disservice. The
> very nature of salvation and the gospel story is wrapped around sin,
> and to pass lightly on that is preaching a false gospel.
>
That's not true at all. The "gospel" depends on your source and
you're deriving
> So have you tried this test?
While we didn't try the test per-se we've found that our relationship
benefited from such activities.
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On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 8:58 AM, Scott Stroz wrote:
> Like every other televangelist I have seen, this guy preys on people's
> weaknesses.
How so?
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Why not.. ABC News did and people talked about it.. Interesting the Pastor
didn't make it past day 5.
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Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 9:31 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Joel Osteen
> So have you tried t
> So have you tried this test?
Do you really want to ask that questsion?
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From: C. Hatton Humphrey [mailto:chumph...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 9:08 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Joel Osteen
I like some of the mega-church preachers, my favorite is Ed Young,
pastor of Fellowship Church in
> Sure, he's hit some pretty radical topics
Hit send too soon before finishing the thought.
He hits some radical topics but he's preaching the full Christian
message, something that Mr. Osteen is not.
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> "Considering that he is fast becoming the most popular preacher in the
> country, Joel Osteen doesn't act or sound like a preacher at all.
>
> He has no seminary training and can hardly talk about any religion other
> than his own brand of creamy, fat-free Christiani
;.
>
> He was just on Fox promoting his shindig at Yankees Stadium. The very first
> non sport event. (they have to pay for that stadium somehow ...)
>
> from http://www.lohud.com/article/2009904220354
>
> "Considering that he is fast becoming the most popular preacher in t
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 8:04 AM, Erika L. Walker wrote:
> I cant help but be fascinated by this man. He is charming. He is optimistic.
> He is good looking. And he doesn't really preach. If I had to go to church,
> I'd want to go to his church. I can't help it. He may not have gone the
> traditio
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To: cf-community
Subject: Joel Osteen
I cant help but be fascinated by this man. He is charming. He is optimistic.
He is good looking. And he doesn't really preach. If I had to go to church,
I'd want to go to his chu
Yeah well...at the end of the day he's still a preacher.And the statistics
on those aren't great. :-)
'Feel good' has a price with them, sometimes a hefty one.
2009/4/23 Erika L. Walker
>
> I cant help but be fascinated by this man. He is charming. He is
> optimistic.
> He is good looking. An
t he is fast becoming the most popular preacher in the
country, Joel Osteen doesn't act or sound like a preacher at all.
He has no seminary training and can hardly talk about any religion other
than his own brand of creamy, fat-free Christianity (all the hope, none of
the sin).
He prefers t
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