Re: Not So Much: Taxes Discourage Millionaires

2011-04-26 Thread Sam
Economism? Yeah I agree. That's why I have a day job. . On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 9:57 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > Sam wrote: >> >> So the dollar is so low that we need to devalue it. Or not. The people >> socking away money are itching to spend it. They must have saved a >> little security nest a

Re: Not So Much: Taxes Discourage Millionaires

2011-04-26 Thread Gruss Gott
Sam wrote: > > So the dollar is so low that we need to devalue it. Or not. The people > socking away money are itching to spend it. They must have saved a > little security nest and now feel the won't lose their jobs at this > point. > Your religion is difficult to comprehend. ~

Re: Not So Much: Taxes Discourage Millionaires

2011-04-26 Thread Sam
On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 9:27 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > Sam wrote: >> >> So you're not going to respond> Just pick random points and claim they >> mean other things? >> > > What'cha talkin 'bout?  You said high gas prices were due to > irresponsible Presidential monetary policy. Actually it's th

Re: Not So Much: Taxes Discourage Millionaires

2011-04-26 Thread Gruss Gott
Sam wrote: > > So you're not going to respond> Just pick random points and claim they > mean other things? > What'cha talkin 'bout? You said high gas prices were due to irresponsible Presidential monetary policy. Now, I'm not so sure gas prices are correlated to this irresponsible monetary pol

Re: Not So Much: Taxes Discourage Millionaires

2011-04-26 Thread Sam
So you're not going to respond> Just pick random points and claim they mean other things? . On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 9:00 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > Sam wrote: >> >> Prices of those items have gone up but they are not traded in dollars >> so it depends on the value of the currency used. Also, a

Re: Not So Much: Taxes Discourage Millionaires

2011-04-26 Thread Gruss Gott
Sam wrote: > > Prices of those items have gone up but they are not traded in dollars > so it depends on the value of the currency used. Also, a company like > BMW is going to be willing to take a pay cut to stay in the market. If > they lose dealerships now then they're gone for the long hall. >

RE: Not So Much: Taxes Discourage Millionaires

2011-04-26 Thread Eric Roberts
They would still be effected by the value of a dollar or inflation... -Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 07:40 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Not So Much: Taxes Discourage Millionaires On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 5:59 PM, Gruss Gott

RE: Not So Much: Taxes Discourage Millionaires

2011-04-26 Thread Eric Roberts
Now he is channeling Glen Beck... -Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 04:58 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Not So Much: Taxes Discourage Millionaires I heard the main reason to get off the dollar is you need to transfer your funds

Re: Not So Much: Taxes Discourage Millionaires

2011-04-26 Thread Sam
On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 5:59 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > Sam wrote: >> >> We still get paid in dollars. > > So let's talk about that plumber.  Let's say he works 1 hour = $40. > > At $2/gallon that would mean he could buy 20 gallons of gas. > > But you claim that the Fed's purchase of government b

Re: Not So Much: Taxes Discourage Millionaires

2011-04-26 Thread Casey Dougall
On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 5:54 PM, Sam wrote: > > Is that just a guide or is there a reason for it. Isn't milk > subsidized? I remember Uncle Sam paying them to dump it to keep the > prices stable back in the day. > > . > commodities markets... I think it's actually "butter" that derives the cos

Re: Not So Much: Taxes Discourage Millionaires

2011-04-26 Thread Gruss Gott
Sam wrote: > > We still get paid in dollars. So let's talk about that plumber. Let's say he works 1 hour = $40. At $2/gallon that would mean he could buy 20 gallons of gas. But you claim that the Fed's purchase of government bonds means this imported gas is now twice as expensive thus gas is

Re: Not So Much: Taxes Discourage Millionaires

2011-04-26 Thread Sam
I heard the main reason to get off the dollar is you need to transfer your funds to dollars to purchase oil. By the time your transfer happens you might have lost a few hundred million because it's dropping so fast . On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Casey Dougall wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 26, 201

Re: Not So Much: Taxes Discourage Millionaires

2011-04-26 Thread Sam
Is that just a guide or is there a reason for it. Isn't milk subsidized? I remember Uncle Sam paying them to dump it to keep the prices stable back in the day. . On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 5:51 PM, Casey Dougall wrote: > > The price of milk actually regulates much of the food industry. ~~

Re: Not So Much: Taxes Discourage Millionaires

2011-04-26 Thread Sam
We still get paid in dollars. So prices aren't the same if compared to gold but seems the same to us. You notice when you buy imports or travel abroad. The plumber still get's $40 an hour but he can't buy as many silver coins each week. Same as the example I gave with lettuce, the local product i

Re: Not So Much: Taxes Discourage Millionaires

2011-04-26 Thread Casey Dougall
On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 5:41 PM, Sam wrote: > > The more dollars out there the less they are worth. > $2 buys a gallon of gas. > Now there are twice as many dollars so the same gas cost you $4 > > You said so yourself, Swiss francs are stable and they pay the same > for oil as they did three yea

Re: Not So Much: Taxes Discourage Millionaires

2011-04-26 Thread Maureen
Monday, April 25, 2011 11:10 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Not So Much: Taxes Discourage Millionaires > > What will tank the economy the same way it did in 2008 is five dollar a > gallon gasoline, price gouging, greed and corruption. ~~

Re: Not So Much: Taxes Discourage Millionaires

2011-04-26 Thread Casey Dougall
On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 5:45 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > Sam wrote: > > > > The more dollars out there the less they are worth. > > $2 buys a gallon of gas. > > Now there are twice as many dollars so the same gas cost you $4 > > > > Then how come all prices haven't doubled? > > Because everyone

Re: Not So Much: Taxes Discourage Millionaires

2011-04-26 Thread Gruss Gott
Sam wrote: > > The more dollars out there the less they are worth. > $2 buys a gallon of gas. > Now there are twice as many dollars so the same gas cost you $4 > Then how come all prices haven't doubled? ~| Order the Adobe Cold

Re: Not So Much: Taxes Discourage Millionaires

2011-04-26 Thread Sam
You know I'm guessing a little inflation for everyone is still better than having these unemployment levels. . On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 5:40 PM, Casey Dougall wrote: > > http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/138260/20110426/inflation-is-coming-to-america.htm > > Currently, Federal Reserve chairman Ber

Re: Not So Much: Taxes Discourage Millionaires

2011-04-26 Thread Sam
The more dollars out there the less they are worth. $2 buys a gallon of gas. Now there are twice as many dollars so the same gas cost you $4 You said so yourself, Swiss francs are stable and they pay the same for oil as they did three years ago. The cost of oil hasn't changed, the worth of the do

Re: Not So Much: Taxes Discourage Millionaires

2011-04-26 Thread Casey Dougall
On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 5:35 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > Sam wrote: > > > > Because the dollar is now worthless since we keep printing them. That > > raises fuel cost, driving, heating, shipping etc. > > This is a new thing. > > > > Please do explain that mechanism: how does the Fed's purchase o

Re: Not So Much: Taxes Discourage Millionaires

2011-04-26 Thread Gruss Gott
Sam wrote: > > Because the dollar is now worthless since we keep printing them. That > raises fuel cost, driving, heating, shipping etc. > This is a new thing. > Please do explain that mechanism: how does the Fed's purchase of treasury bonds raise "fuel, driving, heating, shipping, etc"? ~

Re: Not So Much: Taxes Discourage Millionaires

2011-04-26 Thread Sam
Because the dollar is now worthless since we keep printing them. That raises fuel cost, driving, heating, shipping etc. This is a new thing. . On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > > > (1.) A shrinking economy doesn't mean nobody can sell anything, it > means no growth or shri

Re: Not So Much: Taxes Discourage Millionaires

2011-04-26 Thread Gruss Gott
Robert Munn wrote: > > it mirrors the hollowing out of the middle class that is underway. > middle-skill office work is vanishing in the united states. sooner or > later the effect is going to cause the us economy to completely > crater. and apple will still sell millions of ipads a year because

RE: Not So Much: Taxes Discourage Millionaires

2011-04-25 Thread Eric Roberts
You mean republican ideals...you left out hypocrisy BTW... -Original Message- From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 11:10 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Not So Much: Taxes Discourage Millionaires Apple is selling millions of iPads because they can

Re: Not So Much: Taxes Discourage Millionaires

2011-04-25 Thread Maureen
Apple is selling millions of iPads because they can be used to that exact middle-skill office work. We are replacing the desktop machines at all our dealerships with iPads for the sales staff to work deals. I am also doing a similar project for buildlng contractors to do quotes in the field. iP

Re: Not So Much: Taxes Discourage Millionaires

2011-04-25 Thread Robert Munn
it mirrors the hollowing out of the middle class that is underway. middle-skill office work is vanishing in the united states. sooner or later the effect is going to cause the us economy to completely crater. and apple will still sell millions of ipads a year because demand elsewhere in the world

RE: Not So Much: Taxes Discourage Millionaires

2011-04-25 Thread Eric Roberts
That is because it is a fact... -Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 01:02 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Not So Much: Taxes Discourage Millionaires I would say that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard but I've a

RE: Not So Much: Taxes Discourage Millionaires

2011-04-25 Thread Eric Roberts
[mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 01:00 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Not So Much: Taxes Discourage Millionaires Well if you say everyone is broke, Why is Apple doing so well, and no small businesses have money based on you're own experience not getting work the

Re: Not So Much: Taxes Discourage Millionaires

2011-04-25 Thread Sam
I would say that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard but I've already heard it here before. . On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > You are right on the last part.  The health care bill was little more than > Republicans Bob Dole and Chuck Grassley's answer to Hillary Clin

Re: Not So Much: Taxes Discourage Millionaires

2011-04-25 Thread Sam
Well if you say everyone is broke, Why is Apple doing so well, and no small businesses have money based on you're own experience not getting work then who am I to dispute it. . On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 1:31 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > The only problem is that he is trying to take why small bu

RE: Not So Much: Taxes Discourage Millionaires

2011-04-25 Thread Eric Roberts
lican originated ideas...it's why many progressives were against it. -Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 11:22 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Not So Much: Taxes Discourage Millionaires On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 12:03 PM, Eric Robe

RE: Not So Much: Taxes Discourage Millionaires

2011-04-25 Thread Eric Roberts
they don't have the funds, I would have enough money to comfortably retire. -Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 11:17 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Not So Much: Taxes Discourage Millionaires Makes sense to me.

Re: Not So Much: Taxes Discourage Millionaires

2011-04-25 Thread Sam
On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 12:03 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > Most places do not stock inventory as that is considered a loss.  They > usually do things in real time. That was GG claiming they were using old inventory not me. > Plus...if they don't have inventory, in > order to create more inventor

Re: Not So Much: Taxes Discourage Millionaires

2011-04-25 Thread Sam
Makes sense to me. http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2010/08/small-businesses-are-not-hiring-why.html . On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 11:40 AM, Vivec wrote: > > The portion quoted below is what I'm talking about. > > You have nothing to back this up.It doesn't even make much sense. > > On

RE: Not So Much: Taxes Discourage Millionaires

2011-04-25 Thread Eric Roberts
From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 09:12 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Not So Much: Taxes Discourage Millionaires On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 10:52 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > Sam wrote: > And, btw, there's nothing to invest in.  US corps are sitting on >

Re: Not So Much: Taxes Discourage Millionaires

2011-04-25 Thread Vivec
The portion quoted below is what I'm talking about. You have nothing to back this up.It doesn't even make much sense. On 25 April 2011 11:24, Sam wrote: > Companies, other than >>> Apple, don't want to try to draw out that money because of fear of >>> getting  punished. If they take their pile

Re: Not So Much: Taxes Discourage Millionaires

2011-04-25 Thread Sam
Which part? GG hates links :P . On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 10:57 AM, Vivec wrote: > > This is a completely unfounded and unsupported statement. You make > such huge assumptions here as to completely invalidate your argument. > > Do you have anything at all to back up this statement? A news articl

Re: Not So Much: Taxes Discourage Millionaires

2011-04-25 Thread Vivec
This is a completely unfounded and unsupported statement. You make such huge assumptions here as to completely invalidate your argument. Do you have anything at all to back up this statement? A news article where a few Fortune 500 CEOs stated this opinion perhaps? On 25 April 2011 10:12, Sam wr

Re: Not So Much: Taxes Discourage Millionaires

2011-04-25 Thread Sam
On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 10:52 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > Sam wrote: > And, btw, there's nothing to invest in.  US corps are sitting on > trillions, and have spent the last 3 years getting rid of excess > inventory. If they got rid of old inventory then they would need more. > The only thing lef

Re: Not So Much: Taxes Discourage Millionaires

2011-04-23 Thread Robert Munn
this is the core of the problem to me. our labor market is local but capital is global, and there are far too many cheap investment opportunities abroad for rich people to invest at home. that's why tax cuts as incentives are not going to work. people will just take the extra money they make here

Re: Not So Much: Taxes Discourage Millionaires

2011-04-23 Thread Gruss Gott
Sam wrote: > > Who said people would move? We say they won't invest if their > investment will be over taxed. > Corporations on the other hand will move offices and factories overseas. > Really? Would you give up your largest market? Cause the that's how I'd write the new law. And, btw, there

Re: Not So Much: Taxes Discourage Millionaires

2011-04-23 Thread Sam
Who said people would move? We say they won't invest if their investment will be over taxed. Corporations on the other hand will move offices and factories overseas. . On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 1:09 AM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > "The study found that the overall population of millionaires increased

Not So Much: Taxes Discourage Millionaires

2011-04-22 Thread Gruss Gott
"The study found that the overall population of millionaires increased during the tax period. Some millionaires moved out, of course. But they were more than offset by the creation of new millionaires... [Furthermore,] they found that the rate of out-migration among millionaires was in line with a