Wow.
Umm, yeah. Let's not argue about something stupid like that.
Jesus.
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And please, can we NOT drag out that annoying Ben Franklin quote...
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> RoMunn wrote:
> Hard to say, because so much information is classified. We know that there
> have been no further attacks in the US since 9/11, and terror cells all
> around the country have been successfully detected and broken up. That's a
> decent tradeoff in the short run.
>
Implicit is that
On 5/1/06, So Kenfused wrote:
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> As I remember it the internment of Japanese-Americans, was looked back on
> as a mistake. It was the interment based on race and nothing else and there
> was no evidence of any spying activity, etc.. by any of those interned.
>
> I also seem to remember somthing a
heh, that one never gets old.
> what..
>
> "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be HAPPY!"
> -Ben Franklin
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>
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what..
"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be HAPPY!"
-Ben Franklin
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> Afterall what has the Patriot Act achieved?
A lot, but that's not really the issue. I mean, we all know that we can
achieve a little bit more security if we give up more of our civil
liberties. So...yeah, the Patriot Act might have made us safer, but was it
worth the cost? Many believe it was
As I remember it the internment of Japanese-Americans, was looked back on as a
mistake. It was the interment based on race and nothing else and there was no
evidence of any spying activity, etc.. by any of those interned.
I also seem to remember somthing about reviewing history in order to ke
> Further, Congress declares war and, even if they wanted too, they
> couldn't. There's no person to declare war on. Afghanistan was a war
> and Iraq is a war, but neither have much to do with terrorism anymore.
If you look to Congress to define a "war", you are going to have to go back
a l
> Nick wrote:
> It seems to me that they are. I would think that while the CIA might be
> getting the info. It is still spec ops that are doing the job.
>
But now you've got special forces, not standard infantry, fighting.
Special Forces are were not created specifically for war, but for
special
bject: Re: Bush "Investigates" 3,500 Americans w/o Court Approval
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> > Nick wrote:
> > And who deals with International Crime?
> > It seems to me that if the military is involved we are at war.
> >
>
> And is the military involved with terrorism? The last I'
> RoMunn wrote:
> I would have thought running around with your
> hair on fire claiming that the Man was going to take away our freedom and
> make us all slaves would better qualify for histrionics
Heh, guilty as charged :-)
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I haven't given up anything. I agree with the policy. The Feds are only
doing the prudent thing.
Histrionics? That's funny. I would have thought running around with your
hair on fire claiming that the Man was going to take away our freedom and
make us all slaves would better qualify for histrionic
> Nick wrote:
> And who deals with International Crime?
> It seems to me that if the military is involved we are at war.
>
And is the military involved with terrorism? The last I've heard most
of the major terrorists seeing the virgins are killed by the CIA.
Nevertheless, was the Cold War a war?
And who deals with International Crime?
It seems to me that if the military is involved we are at war.
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> From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 3:21 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Bush "Investigates"
> RoMunn wrote:
> Too many people are totally blind, even now, to the fact that these lunatics
> don't want compromise, they don't want negotiated surrender
All of those histrionics are irrelevant to policy.
If a few barbarians make feel surrendering your liberties, go ahead.
But don't punish th
Wrong, wrong, and wrong. Your thinking is old school, states v. states, and
does not recognize the destructive potential of non-state actors in a world
with WMDs and other tools of asymmetric warfare. It is a war against our
political system, against our social order, against our economic system, a
> RoMunn wrote:
> Terrorism is not a criminal problem.
Here's why it's not a war:
1.) Who specifically should Congress declare war against?
2.) Who is the "network"? What if someone attacks us unaffiliated
with it? Can we ignore them?
3.) What is the criteria for the end of the war?
The fact is
Terrorism is not a criminal problem. Timothy McVeigh was one guy acting
witha couple of others. If there was a nationwide network of people blowing
up buildings in an attempt to destabilize and ultimately take control of the
country, you better damn well believe that would be more than a criminal
> Paul wrote:
> shit like this SHOULD get some one thrown out of office...
> or even impeached...
>
+100.
The sales pitches we've gotten from the Pentagon's Perception
Management Office over the last few years are interesting:
(1.) GWOT - The "Global War on Terror". Except the Pentagon only
mea
> RoMunn wrote:
> Ha, not so fast. Remember the Civil War? Lincoln suspended habeus corpus.
> Remember WWII? FDR instituted Japanese-American internment camps. The govt
> has always taken extraordinary measures during times of conflict.
>
Then that defines our differences. I don't see terrorism a
any one remember me mentioning an "other" gov org sending my name to a local
sheriffs dept 2 counties over...
shit like this SHOULD get some one thrown out of office...
or even impeached...
this administration///
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Ha, not so fast. Remember the Civil War? Lincoln suspended habeus corpus.
Remember WWII? FDR instituted Japanese-American internment camps. The govt
has always taken extraordinary measures during times of conflict.
On 4/30/06, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > RoMunn wrote:
> > Yawn. War
> RoMunn wrote:
> Yawn. War on Terror, remember?
>
Oppressive government, remember? Of course you don't because you've
been lucky enough to live in a country that mostly distrusts gov't.
Until recently. Your luck is running out and you're part of the
problem.
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Yawn. War on Terror, remember?
On 4/30/06, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Report reveals number of secret FBI subpoenas
>
> WASHINGTON (AP) -- The FBI secretly sought information last year on
> 3,501 U.S. citizens and legal residents from their banks and credit
> card, telephone and Int
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