I think I am just to used to Sam's postings *grin*
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From: Cameron Childress [mailto:camer...@gmail.com]
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Subject: Re: Data Is Power: Michigan Fights Childhood Obesity by Tracking It
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at
Just checking ;-)
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From: Cameron Childress [mailto:camer...@gmail.com]
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Subject: Re: Data Is Power: Michigan Fights Childhood Obesity by Tracking It
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 11:13 PM, Eric Roberts <
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 11:13 PM, Eric Roberts <
ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote:
> You do realize that was from the onion and what the onion is, right Cam?
Yes. Allow me to introduce you to my sarcastic sense of humor. :)
-Cameron
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You do realize that was from the onion and what the onion is, right Cam?
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From: Cameron Childress [mailto:camer...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 8:37 PM
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Subject: Re: Data Is Power: Michigan Fights Childhood Obesity by Tracking It
This
This.
http://www.theonion.com/articles/presidential-fitness-test-now-awarded-to-any-kid-w,26857/
-Cameron
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On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 9:23 PM, Dana wrote:
> mmm. Well, my knowledge is purely anecdotal...
>
Mine too, except that kids and adults are both getting really overweight in
this country at an alarming rate.
> But I can think of many ways to address this that might be more
> effective...
>
I a
mmm. Well, my knowledge is purely anecdotal, but when I was expressing
concern about my kids' weight a while back, I was told not to worry about
it, and they are in fact quite slender as young adults. My son actually had
to work at building muscle mass. That said, there may be a range which is
lik
I still think it's important to keep tabs, potentially with an
understanding that kids may grow at uneven rates at times. I'm not any
sort of expert in pediatrics, so sure perhaps there is more wiggle room
Body Fat for kids. Maybe there sin't - I have no idea.
But, given responsible guidelines,
Sure, it's a lifelong skill. But my point is that reporting BMI may not be
the best measure of whether the skill needs work, particularly in
pre-adolescents. Apart from the examples given in the article, some kids
are skinny for a while then fill out, and others are chunky for a while
then have a
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 6:40 PM, Dana wrote:
> my question is whether we even know that fat kids become fat adults.
I don't think this should matter in this case. Being a healthy person is
just as important as a kid, a teen, a young adult, middle aged, or older.
Learning good health, diet, an
my question is whether we even know that fat kids become fat adults. Both
of my kids were pudgy when small and emphatically are not any more, having
added some height a couple of years later. Diet might be a better measure
to track. Or, if there's science behind the correlation at the age where
th
the general welfare clause has been used in very similar circumstances.
But to accurately measure body fat you need multiple measures using
displacement volume or caliper measurements in multiple places. One
issue here is that for instance are you willing to allow a non medical
person to do some
"except that you can argue that it is constitutional, based on the
premumble."
That's a stretch, considering "secure the blessings of liberty " that
follows.
Anyway, read more here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preamble_to_the_United_States_Constitution
I like this part:
The Preamble serves s
It's a cost. Assuming it was feasible, I'd still support physical
education, including weight and body fat education.
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 8:23 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
>
> gain the issue is money. How much does the "Bod Pod" cost? If its a
> choice between teacher salaries and 50 pods lets
gain the issue is money. How much does the "Bod Pod" cost? If its a
choice between teacher salaries and 50 pods lets say, I'd rather have
the teachers.
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 6:14 PM, Cameron Childress wrote:
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> The weight scale I have in the bathroom using this. I don't know how
> accurate it
The weight scale I have in the bathroom using this. I don't know how
accurate it is, but it's definitely able to detect when I gain and lose
fat. I look at it as a relative measurement rather than an accurate actual
number.
I was Googling around about immersion testing and found this. I'd never
I remember having it done via biofeedback (electrical impulse) during
a college health faire years ago. That was pretty quick and from what
I understand is fairly accurate. Not sure how much cost would be
involved in equipping a large number of doctor offices with the
equipment and training though
Immersion testing is pretty good, though I don't really see that working in
a grade school environment.
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
> I'm basing it on the one and only study I worked on that used body fat
> measurements - btw I was a lowly grad assistant, just doing th
I do 5 all of the time and it's pretty simple and easy. Granted the accuracy
wont be perfect, but then you don't need it to be.
I say the act of collecting the data in the first place will shame parents and
kids into not being fattys.
I'm all for it.
On Jan 12, 2012, at 12:14 PM, "Larry C.
I'm basing it on the one and only study I worked on that used body fat
measurements - btw I was a lowly grad assistant, just doing the
scutwork. Anyhow from what I remember to get a reasonably good
estimate of the body fat you had to measure multiple places on the
body using specific locations. I
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Cameron Childress wrote:
> I think proper diet and exercise should be taught at every grade level,
> Physical Education should be mandatory, and this sort of measurement is
> totally fine...
>
If I ever get married, I'll make sure proper diet and exercise makes
Sounds like we pretty much agree.
I have no problem with some form of universal health care for patients who
are sick and need help with their illnesses.cancers, accident victims,
infections, i mean there are hundreds of afflictions that are little or no
fault of the victim.
But for some, it
Does any else read this and hear the Schoolhouse Rock episode about the
Constitution?
On Jan 12, 2012 2:00 PM, "Larry C. Lyons" wrote:
>
> except that you can argue that it is constitutional, based on the
> premumble. Since healthy kids promote the general welfare, so you
> could argue that it k
People should be responsible for their health, and should not put undue
pressure on the society in which they live.
The question I asked was how would this match with the desire to provide
healthcare to everyone, and that no person should die because they could
not afford the care that would save
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 1:13 PM, Vivec wrote:
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> Then if your kid ends up costing tax payers 1 million in health care costs,
> it should be the parent's right to pay the bill.
>
> Just as with smoking, or drinking, or taking cocaine.
>
> If health suffers as a result of your own actions, it doe
I really don't think that caliper measurements would add that much to
the cost on an annual exam. Sure, if you were tracking it once a month
or something the cost would add up. Of course, all these measurements
presume that kids are actually able to afford going to the doctor, so
it will be a moot
Then if your kid ends up costing tax payers 1 million in health care costs,
it should be the parent's right to pay the bill.
Just as with smoking, or drinking, or taking cocaine.
If health suffers as a result of your own actions, it doesn't just affect
the individual, it affects society in gener
problem is that measuring body fat content can be expensive, 9 or 10
different caliper measurements done on a very regular basis. It can be
quite expensive.
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 2:11 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:
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> Since the data in anonymized and can't be tracked to real individuals,
> I'm ok w
Since the data in anonymized and can't be tracked to real individuals,
I'm ok with the collection and analysis of the information. On the
other hand, I agree with the argument made in the article that BMI is
a terrible measure to use in children. I guess that overall it might
not be worse than not
except that you can argue that it is constitutional, based on the
premumble. Since healthy kids promote the general welfare, so you
could argue that it keeping these records would be allowable.
---
We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect
union, establish justice, insur
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 1:19 PM, GMoney wrote:
> I don't like making things like this mandatory. Being a fat, worthless
> slob should be every American's right.
>
This would not remove that right - it would still be everyone's right to
eat anything they want and exercise or not But at leas
Diet and exercise needs to be taught in grade school. I drive by a high
school every morning and it is obvious that it is not being taught in the
home.
I read somewhere that if everyone cut their salt intake by 1/2 tsp a day, it
will reduced health care costs by $20 billion a year.
-Origina
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Cameron Childress wrote:
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>
> http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Diet/michigan-track-kids-weight-statewide-registry/story?id=14518613
>
> Good or bad? I don't think this is even new. I remember taking fitness
> tests and I am pretty sure being weighed in elementary s
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