> Dana wrote:
> Gruss, I am swamped today but I'll post these links later on some of
> my homeschool lists. I'm willing to bet that there will be Christian
> ladies organizing fundraisers for her before the weekend is over
>
GREAT! She deserves it! Thanks very much.
Gruss, I am swamped today but I'll post these links later on some of
my homeschool lists. I'm willing to bet that there will be Christian
ladies organizing fundraisers for her before the weekend is over
On 6/28/07, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Dana wrote:
> > I think your time and
07 10:04 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Poverty Challenge!
SWEET! Thanks DUDE!
You can tell from the video that this girl is such a sweetheart and
very smart. It's crushing to know that she could be a few months from
death and there's nothing we can do. It seems unbelievabl
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> -Original Message-
> From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 9:24 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Poverty Challenge!
>
> > Sc
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To: CF-Community
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> Scott wrote:
> Is there a website or anything for her?
>
YES!
Here's a local news story that tells her story:
http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/myfox/pages/Home/
> Scott wrote:
> Is there a website or anything for her?
>
YES!
Here's a local news story that tells her story:
http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=3218127&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=1.1.1
Here's her family's web site:
http://www.ostlie.net/
Here'
, 2007 1:43 PM
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> Dana wrote:
> I think you should have a safety net.
>
The question is where does "safety net" end and enablement being?
Just about anyone would agree that Welfare, in its 80s form, was a
failure: it actually fin
> Dana wrote:
> I think your time and energy is way better spent trying to help that little
> girl. Congratulations on that, by the way. How much does she need?
Well that's the bummer: she needs a heart transplant and she exceeded
her lifetime insurance max a long time ago. In addition, her pare
I think your time and energy is way better spent trying to help that little
girl. Congratulations on that, by the way. How much does she need?
>From what I have seen, most help from well-meaning individuals who don't
>understand is counterproductive. To go back to my own experience -- which is
> Dana wrote:
> I think you should have a safety net.
>
The question is where does "safety net" end and enablement being?
Just about anyone would agree that Welfare, in its 80s form, was a
failure: it actually financially encouraged people to jump into the
net because, hey, the net is comfy.
We
I am sure you want to help. The problem is that you are not helping
with an actual problem that someone has.
On 6/27/07, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Dana wrote:
> > I'm done here.
> >
>
> I forgot! You're an expert on who wants to help people and who
> understands poverty.
>
> With
> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:06 AM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: Re: Poverty Challenge!
> >
> > FEMA is the shining example of what happens when we look to
> > the government to try and solve our problems...yes, even
> > catastrophic problems. They
day, June 28, 2007 9:06 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Poverty Challenge!
>
> FEMA is the shining example of what happens when we look to
> the government to try and solve our problems...yes, even
> catastrophic problems. They simply cannot be trusted to
> adequatel
utional?
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Heald, Timothy (NIH/CIT) [C] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 4:28 PM
> > > To: CF-Community
> > > Subject: RE: Poverty Challenge!
> > >
> > > Or, it
> Dana wrote:
> I'm done here.
>
I forgot! You're an expert on who wants to help people and who
understands poverty.
With that attitude I'd say you were done after your first post.
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On 6/27/07, Nick McClure <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> How is FEMA unconstitutional?
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Heald, Timothy (NIH/CIT) [C] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 4:28 PM
> > To: CF-Community
>
Well see, there's a few problems with that. You need to own the house
to have flood insurance for one thing. Once again, a little matter of
resources.
Also, most of the damage to my stuff was caused by structure damage
from heavy rain, not flood exactly, which is defined as water through
the door.
How is FEMA unconstitutional?
> -Original Message-
> From: Heald, Timothy (NIH/CIT) [C] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 4:28 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Poverty Challenge!
>
> Or, it might have been better if we didn't
> Dana wrote:
> My point being that not everyone who is currently having money
> problems needs "fixing" or education.
>
So you're saying you learned nothing from your experience to prevent
it again? Huh. I thought only teenagers knew it all.
My wife and I just made it through a flood 4 years a
and you would have
> had ALL of your income to spend and save as you saw fit.
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 3:37 PM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: Re: Poverty Challenge!
> >
>
esday, June 27, 2007 3:37 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Poverty Challenge!
>
> I wasn't poor before the flood. I was definitely poor
> afterwards. I got left with essentially a change of clothes
> and an elderly pickup truck. And no income. That's pretty
> po
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> > From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 2:16 PM
&g
Man, that's a hell of a story. Dunno what it says about poverty or any of
that other junk, but it's an amazing story.
A friend of mine's parents left Vietnam in the early 70's under similar
circumstances, just got into a boat and left, no idea where they were
going...just knowing that anywhere els
> tBone wrote:
> It honestly doesn't sound to me as though you were poor when you were
> displaced by "an act of god" either.
If I was poor and only read Dana's posts on this topic I would sure
get the impression there was no hope. She talks on and on about how
complicated things are, how everyth
I probably WOULD have hated baby jesus..i hate all babies until they get
old enough to learn to STFU.
I dig on adult Jesus though, so it's all good.
On 6/26/07, Heald, Timothy (NIH/CIT) [C] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Dude, you're an evil American capitalist/imperialist who hates baby
> je
> Dana wrote:
> You think they didn't know that the neighborhood market was more
> expensive than the supermarket?
You are long on problems and non-existent on solutions.
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On 6/26/07, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Finally I'd like to say that I have BEEN poor. I wasn't born poor and
> I am not poor now, but I have been poor along the way. And *I* don't
Hey, you mean poor/not poor is a condition? One could actually be poor,
then be rich, then be poor? ;-)
I lo
>
> and those people certainly deserve a safety net.
##SNIP##
>
> -Cameron
No, wrong. The correct answer is you FEEL/BELIEVE that they deserve a
safety net.
Using the word "deserve" makes it sound like an entitlement.
None of us are owed anything.
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> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 2:16 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Poverty Challenge!
>
> What she said.
>
> But beyond that, it isn't always a matter of "teaching"
> people. If you examine the term it means that I am right
What she said.
But beyond that, it isn't always a matter of "teaching" people. If you
examine the term it means that I am right and you are wrong and I know
and you don't. Cure? Perhaps poverty is a disease, but it isn't always
the poor people that have it. Sometimes it's society. What happens to
Dude, you're an evil American capitalist/imperialist who hates baby
jesus.
hahahhah
> -Original Message-
> From: G Money [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 12:17 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Poverty Challenge!
>
> On 6/19/0
> Deanna wrote:
> I find it interesting that you would put it that way - "live in our
> society." They're already living in our society.
I"m glad you picked up on that and I think I agree with the author.
By "society" I mean the general rule of working for a living.
But, in general, I believe the
this is not what am saying at all. I am saying I have diagnosed you
with a bad case of needing to feel superior and I dunno if there is
anything that can be done about it :)
On 6/25/07, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Dana wrote:
> > curable? from what? Are you curable?
> >
>
> Poverty w
> gMoney wrote:
> So lets focus our discussion to this point. Is there an obligation on our
> part to provide monetary assistance (in the form of education, drug
> programs, etc) for people who have impoverished themselves by their on
> choices? And if so, are there reasonable benchmarks that socie
Wouldn't that be grand.
> -Original Message-
> From: Vivec [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 8:57 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Poverty Challenge!
>
> I think going through highschool doesn't mean you can do any
> of th
On 6/25/07, Gruss Gott wrote:
> "Helped" means fixing whatever psychological/drug/whatever issues they
> have, and then teaching them how to live in our society.
>
I find it interesting that you would put it that way - "live in our
society." They're already living in our society. What they're no
All that education costs a lot of money, Grussand you've questioned your
responsibility to pay those who either are in their situation by their own
choices, or who don't exhibit the desire to pull themselves out of their
situation.
So lets focus our discussion to this point. Is there an obliga
> Scott wrote:
> Learning is only part of the problem
Absolutely, but the point is:
Some portion of those below the poverty line can be helped to live above it.
"Helped" means fixing whatever psychological/drug/whatever issues they
have, and then teaching them how to live in our society.
I'm gr
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From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 8:17 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Poverty Challenge!
> Dana wrote:
> curable? from what? Are you curable?
>
> Dana wrote:
> curable? from what? Are you curable?
>
Poverty was the topic, and I'll restate my question if it will help
you give a thoughtful answer:
What percentage would say of those living below the poverty would be
able to be taught how to earn enough money to live above the poverty
line c
curable? from what? Are you curable?
>So what percentage of those living under the poverty line would you
>say are curable?
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> Dana wrote:
> no, I have not offered a solution because I realize that these
> situations are complex and individual. Your logic is pretty but since
> have made no statements about 80% of those in poverty, it's a total
> straw man.
>
So what percentage of those living under the poverty line woul
no, I have not offered a solution because I realize that these
situations are complex and individual. Your logic is pretty but since
have made no statements about 80% of those in poverty, it's a total
straw man.
The woman in that video needs medical care. Totally different
situation from a steel b
> gMoney wrote:
> just wonder if there is really any disagreement here. I think we all see the
> need for a safety net to help those who are thrust into poverty through no
> fault of their own.
Excellent write up, and exactly sums up my thoughts.
~~
> Dana wrote:
> there ARE such people. To say it is a vast majority is such a vast
> over simplification as to be insulting.
So you would say, then, that poverty is uncurable?
Let's look at a possible summation of our positions to see why I ask:
DANA: 80% or more of people living below the pover
there ARE such people. To say it is a vast majority is such a vast
over simplification as to be insulting. To say that money management
classes would end poverty is ridiculous. Please explain how they would
help this woman, for instance:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWJtlQmgNeE
> Yer not being
On 6/25/07, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Well I was trying to post facts not opinions, that's why, lol. I don't
> claim to totally understand the issues either, but god, causes for
> poverty... go look at some of those youtube videos I posted in the
> other thread! There is the economic shif
Well I was trying to post facts not opinions, that's why, lol. I don't
claim to totally understand the issues either, but god, causes for
poverty... go look at some of those youtube videos I posted in the
other thread! There is the economic shift to a service economy. There
is lack of education and
> gMoney wrote:
> Then for God's sake, Dana, enlighten us..I may not agree with all of
> Gruss' viewpoints,
Realizing I've been a bit obtuse I'll try to restate:
As Dana points out, poverty is a very complex issue. The is,
therefore, to try to break it down to actionable segments and then
ap
Then for God's sake, Dana, enlighten us..I may not agree with all of
Gruss' viewpoints, but at least he's expressing some...you just sit there
and call him an idiot.
Please break down the complexities of poverty for us.
On 6/23/07, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I'm saying that poverty i
> Dana wrote:
> I'm saying that poverty is a complex issue that will not be solved by
> urging people to bite the bullet and max out their credit cards
> ::eyeroll:: How the hell are you going to help those people? You don't
> even understand the problem.
>
Poverty's complex? That's your contribu
I'm saying that poverty is a complex issue that will not be solved by
urging people to bite the bullet and max out their credit cards
::eyeroll:: How the hell are you going to help those people? You don't
even understand the problem.
On 6/22/07, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Dana wrote
> Dana wrote:
> Deanna, Gruss is in favor of MBAs for all. His contention is that if
> people go to school they will not be poor.
>
No, that's not my point, but thank you for supposing on my behalf.
Rather it's that there are basic levels of "life knowledge" that
people need which gives them self
http://www.inclusionist.org/files/lowwagework.pdf
this applies to people who meet the usual definition of poverty. A larger and
more diverse group than you seem to realize.
Dana
>> Dana wrote:
>> I'll stick by my position that you don't have a clue.
>
>So enlighten me! How many US families liv
you think 35k a year is poor?
On 6/22/07, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Dana wrote:
> > I'll stick by my position that you don't have a clue.
>
> So enlighten me! How many US families living on $35k/yr for a family
> of 4 are there because of factors outside of themselves? That is,
>
Deanna, Gruss is in favor of MBAs for all. His contention is that if
people go to school they will not be poor.
On 6/22/07, Deanna Schneider <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 6/22/07, Gruss Gott wrote:
> > So enlighten me! How many US families living on $35k/yr for a family
> > of 4 are there beca
> Deanna wrote:
> What does "given education" mean in this context?
>
Well, for example, there is a very nice family living in the Milwaukee
area and they made about $30k per year. He's a cook and she was a gas
station attendant and they have 2 little girls.
Both of them talked a lot about doing
On 6/22/07, Deanna Schneider wrote:
>
> On 6/22/07, Gruss Gott wrote:
> > So enlighten me! How many US families living on $35k/yr for a family
> > of 4 are there because of factors outside of themselves? That is,
> > even if they given education they still wouldn't be able to earn more
> > than
On 6/22/07, Gruss Gott wrote:
> So enlighten me! How many US families living on $35k/yr for a family
> of 4 are there because of factors outside of themselves? That is,
> even if they given education they still wouldn't be able to earn more
> than $35k?
What does "given education" mean in this
> Dana wrote:
> I'll stick by my position that you don't have a clue.
So enlighten me! How many US families living on $35k/yr for a family
of 4 are there because of factors outside of themselves? That is,
even if they given education they still wouldn't be able to earn more
than $35k?
What perc
my contention is that you don't understand being poor, period, if you
think poverty is having to use a credit card. You got poor by being a
drunk, fine. There are a lot of other ways to get there, including
being born. There is also such a thing as being too poor to move. You
assume that people hav
Gruss, you are out of touch with reality in the US and most definitely
other parts of the world.
People generally do not 'Choose' to be Poor.
The society we live in is supposed to reach out to everyone in society
and ensure a certain base standard of living which != Poverty. This is
what the 'adv
> Deanna wrote:
> Gruss - was your family poor? And I'm not talking the "not wealthy"
> kind of poor.
No, and I totally agree with you on the culture perspective. We
would've been poor had we not moved in with my Grandma and Grandpa and
we still lived on the other side of the tracks, but there wa
On 6/21/07, Gruss Gott wrote:
> > Dana wrote:
> > Gruss, I don't think you and I are talking about the same kind of broke.
>
> So your contention is that because I'm not poor anymore and think that
> poor can be self-inflicted I never could have been? Huh. Well, I
> disagree as former poor lose
> Dana wrote:
> Gruss, I don't think you and I are talking about the same kind of broke.
So your contention is that because I'm not poor anymore and think that
poor can be self-inflicted I never could have been? Huh. Well, I
disagree as former poor loser.
My contention is that poor can be self
"bite the bullet and max out a credit card?"
Gruss, I don't think you and I are talking about the same kind of broke. What
if you don't have a credit card? It's not very common at that wage level, you
know. Which is why I don't really believe your self-made man spiel; the details
indicate that
> Dana wrote:
> I guess I don't understand why you are so wrapped up in condemning
> other people
Well, because I used to know LOTS AND LOTS of people in those
circumstances including me! I couldn't save up the money either
because I wasn't making enough to live, but, after using that as an
excus
On 6/19/07, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Dana wrote:
> > a cash register at the gas station, and that there was a waiting list
> > for jobs at WalMart.
> >
>
> Someone who passed the 3 criteria living in LIvingston would probably
> save up a few thousand and move. Worst case scenario
I guess I don't understand why you are so wrapped up in condemning
other people or why you have so much trouble understanding that it's
pretty damn hard to "save up a few thousand" if you are poor enough
that a minimum wage job is some out of reach utopia. And you STILL
don't understand that if tho
> gg wrote:
> http://www.caringbridge.org/mn/abbyleigh/
>
Here's Abby's story for those interested:
http://tinyurl.com/2lppan
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> Dana wrote:
> a cash register at the gas station, and that there was a waiting list
> for jobs at WalMart.
>
Someone who passed the 3 criteria living in LIvingston would probably
save up a few thousand and move. Worst case scenario they'd just get
a credit card and use it to move.
In my experi
I think the fact that you can live on $9000 a year in Kentucky (let's
say) is irrelevant to the realities of what it takes to live
elsewhere. And I think that where you CAN live on the minimum wage,
those jobs are few and far between. When I was in Livingston Texas, I
heard that three hundred peopl
I think the statement also assumes people are in some kind of stasis... that
who we are today is the same as who we were yesterday, or tomorrow.
Which is patently false.
8 8 8
I'm just kidding about being poor-ish, when I say it too, BTW. I'm not
nearly
poor.
* * *
Scott pretty much nailed it
>Nope. But as a thinking human being capable of forming an opinion, I think
>it is reasonable to assume that the day after a person with the mental and
>physical capacities to earn a high school degree (no small task), they would
>be able to perform in a menial job position.
I can agree with that
> Dana wrote:
> he probably thought he was talking to Gruss.
>
YEAH! Stop pretending you're me, G. Because if the questions is:
> people that do NOT have the drive, the ambition or the
> attitude to pull themselves out of a debilitating and depressing
> situation. I suppose in your world those
On 6/18/07, Scott Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Federal Standards are completely out of touch with reality Let's take
> the DC Area...
Same for upstate NY, I'm going to start telecommuting from Jamaica!
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that's a troll if I ever heard one :) You "heard a stat"? Where, on Rush
Limbaugh? Don't kill me, I know you're not a fan, but be for real :)
Why should I bother debunking such a stupid statement? Even the Heritage
Foundation would not agree with that. For a start, a majority of the homeless
i
he probably thought he was talking to Gruss.
>My world? People should just die? Where in the name of holy fuck did you
>ever get the idea that I would feel that way? You're either really ignorant,
>or you are just intentionally being an asshole...either way, I'm done
>wasting my time with you.
>
On 6/19/07, Jim Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Except that many mental illnesses don't surface until later in life. Most
> hereditary conditions surface much later and large numbers of schizophrenia
> cases first become symptomatic in their twenties or thirties.
You are absolutely right.
On 6/19/07, Vivec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Yes, either extreme isn't the best solution.
Obviously.
You are not a psychiatrist, or a psychologist.
> Mental Illness can take several different forms and you are in no
> position to say what someone with a mental illness can or cannot do.
Nop
>If they were able to graduate from high school with their mental illness,
>they should probably be able to hold down a menial job.
Except that many mental illnesses don't surface until later in life. Most
hereditary conditions surface much later and large numbers of schizophrenia
cases first b
On 6/19/07, G Money wrote:
> If they were able to graduate from high school with their mental illness,
> they should probably be able to hold down a menial job.
>
Generally speaking, most high schoolers live at home and have a pretty
good support network. Last I checked, high school didn't exactl
Yes, either extreme isn't the best solution.
You are not a psychiatrist, or a psychologist.
Mental Illness can take several different forms and you are in no
position to say what someone with a mental illness can or cannot do.
There are people in poverty who are in poverty through no fault of
the
On 6/19/07, Vivec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I think going through high school doesn't mean you can do any of those
> to the level required for many jobs.
If you believe that to be true, then that is an indictment of our high
school system.
I also don't know what the effects of mental illnes
I think going through highschool doesn't mean you can do any of those
to the level required for many jobs.
I also don't know what the effects of mental illness on any of these would be.
I think that someone who has an irrational fear of fries might have a
problem at McDonalds, for example.
Basic
Uhnoi'm making it on basic common sense.
If you can read, write, study, learn, and retain informationif you can
attend class and operate in a social environmentfollow directions,
complete assignmentsall the basic things required to graduate from high
school.it's reasonable
And you are making this informed conclusion based on your years of
psychiatric study and your vast knowledge of various mental
conditions.
On 6/19/07, G Money <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If they were able to graduate from high school with their mental illness,
> they should probably be able to ho
If they were able to graduate from high school with their mental illness,
they should probably be able to hold down a menial job.
On 6/19/07, Cameron Childress <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 6/18/07, Jim Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I'll agree that it's a great prescription for succes
The old Capitalist paradigm.
If you aren't making money and you are poor in a free market economy,
clearly you are a f*** up.
It never was true, and it still isn't true regardless of how many
statistics proponents of unfettered capitalism wish to throw out
there.
Definitions of 'poverty' also se
-
> From: Scott Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 11:14 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Poverty Challenge!
>
> Federal Standards are completely out of touch with reality Let's
take
> the DC Area...
>
> Single person maki
On 6/18/07, Jim Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'll agree that it's a great prescription for success - the problem is
> there's just so many interesting and unexpected ways to fail.
>
and those people certainly deserve a safety net.
Add mental illness and it would be pretty close to zer
> -Original Message-
> From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 10:10 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Poverty Challenge!
>
> I just heard an interesting stat that surely someone here would like
> to debunk? Well, here it is:
>
> In America, one has a 0% c
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Sent: Monday, June 18, 2
The entire premise of 0% is entirely silly, though.
As someone who lived below the poverty line for a few years, while
apprenticing or attending school on my own hook, that number needs to
be at least .0001%.
There are plenty of _military_ families, high school graduates all,
who are living below
First thing is first.
The Poverty Level for a single person living alone is: $9,800 per year
which put you making around $4.71 per hour.
With local fast food places starting at $9.00 per hour, it is pretty
easy for a single person to live above the poverty line.
With two people, the line is at $
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