But I know which parts of Jersey to avoid :)
On Dec 5, 2007 2:55 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Sammy wrote:
> > The leaves and stems are highly toxic as well as the oil extraction
> > process.
>
> Hmm ... unlike eco-friendly crude oil such as the Valdez carried? Or
> the healthy c
> Sammy wrote:
> The leaves and stems are highly toxic as well as the oil extraction
> process.
Hmm ... unlike eco-friendly crude oil such as the Valdez carried? Or
the healthy clouds of medicine that perpetually float over cities such
as Baytown, Texas?
~
I may be odd, but I like the smell of diesel exhaust :)
I get headaches quickly if I'm following a vehicle that's shooting
unburned gasoline out the tailpipe though.
On 12/5/07, Bruce H. Sorge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> seen it first hand. I can't tell you how many times I have had my
> vent/
If it's farmed and makes more money than food then why grow food?
That's the theory.
As a fiscal conservative, I would do more research before I made such
a large commitment to become dependent on a toxic uncontrollable weed.
Even if we do modify it into a friendly plant it still won't replace
fos
That is still money I have to spend regardless. Not doing it, even if I
"might" have to replace them. Besides the cost, it is my time since I
would be doing it myself (I hate paying labor rates when I am perfectly
capable of doing minor repairs like this myself), and my time is worth
something.
I swear, if I ever hit the lottery for millions, I would buy a sub just
because. These things are way cool. And imagine how impressed the chick
would be. ;)
Here you go Ben
http://www.ussubs.com/submarines/phoenix_1000.php3.
Although I don't believe it's nuclear, you may be able to retro fit
>> RoMunn wrote:
>> I will, once again, lodge my objection to burning our food. Bad idea.
>>
>
>I think Sam was asking food *or* fuel. Jatropha is a great example of
>a crop that is NOT FOOD, but a great fuel. Further it goes in the
>desert - places where it is not feasible to grow food - so it c
007 8:53 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Prius Question
> Bruce wrote:
> The part about any of this is the retrofitting part - if I have to pay for
> it. Screw that.
That's why I think we need to start today with phase outs. If we
wait, then we might be forced to get rid of cars al
Pfft. Diesel. If I wanted diesel, I'd just get a car.
--Ben "The Submariner" Doom
Casey Dougall wrote:
> On Dec 4, 2007 9:38 AM, Ben Doom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Scott Stewart wrote:
>>> We must wean ourselves off of hydrocarbon based fuels. It's easier to do
>> it
>>> now, then to go
I can agree with most of those. I don't recall the five year rule
though. I remember when I lived there the cars I had were well over five
years old. Maybe American Soldiers are exempt from that rule, I don't
know, but I do know that the cars I had (four Opel's and a BMW) had to
pass their stri
> Scott wrote:
> draw in external energy beyond the gasoline. It's really just a matter
> of getting better gas mileage and that's where the "efficiency" comes
> from.
>
But that's not efficient because we can do that anyway without the
second motor and without the battery. So why pay for all of
> Bruce wrote:
> The part about any of this is the retrofitting part - if I have to pay for
> it. Screw that.
That's why I think we need to start today with phase outs. If we
wait, then we might be forced to get rid of cars altogether. So let's
just use the technology that's already there: bio-d
> RoMunn wrote:
> I will, once again, lodge my objection to burning our food. Bad idea.
>
I think Sam was asking food *or* fuel. Jatropha is a great example of
a crop that is NOT FOOD, but a great fuel. Further it goes in the
desert - places where it is not feasible to grow food - so it creates
Speaking of low sulfur fuel, we already have that at every station in Cali.
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From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 4:42 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Prius Question
You bolt junk on. Like for the exhaust you can use urea
Well, unless they are giving those things away they can keep it.
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From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 4:48 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Prius Question
More on that here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BlueTec
I will, once again, lodge my objection to burning our food. Bad idea.
On Dec 4, 2007 2:38 PM, Sam wrote:
> Hmmm... grow crops for food or for fuel? Do you really think they can do
> both?
>
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Enterprise web applications, build
Exactly why this is a long-term problem. Retrofitting vehicles is a
political loser as an issue. Coal plants could be another story, as long as
people would be willing to swallow small rate increases to pay for the work.
I don't remember the numbers offhand, and it's been awhile, but retrofitting
a
> Bruce wrote:
> > Bruce wrote:
> > Retrofitting? What exactly do you mean by that?
> >
>
More on that here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BlueTec
~|
ColdFusion is delivering applications solutions at at top companies
around the
On Dec 3, 2007 9:27 AM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On hybrids - overall, I just can't understand how running 2 engines
> would ever be more efficient than one, and one that already exists and
> is capable of relatively high mileage.
Well, the electric motor is only charged/recharged b
> Bruce wrote:
> Retrofitting? What exactly do you mean by that?
>
You bolt junk on. Like for the exhaust you can use urea injection to
convert diesel's exhaust nitrous oxide, a greenhouse gas, into
harmless emissions. You can also provide low-sulfur diesel just like
we have unleaded fuel.
Dies
I can get one with the new engines to burn the new
fuels. Until then, I am keeping my truck.
Bruce
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From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 9:04 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Prius Question
yeah, I just don't understand
On Dec 3, 2007 7:39 AM, Zaphod Beeblebrox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Now that I know Sean is watching this list :) , of all the prius
> owners on this list, what kind of mileage are you realizing?
In general 42-45mpg around town, usually 45-50mpg on the freeway
depending on where we're going. We
On Dec 4, 2007 9:38 AM, Ben Doom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Scott Stewart wrote:
> > We must wean ourselves off of hydrocarbon based fuels. It's easier to do
> it
> > now, then to go cold turkey when it runs out.
>
> My next car will be a nuclear sub.
>
> --BenD
>
Here you go Ben
http://www.us
yeah, but the used market is brutal, it's almost cheaper to buy a new one.
On 12/4/07, Ben Doom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Scott Stewart wrote:
> > We must wean ourselves off of hydrocarbon based fuels. It's easier to do it
> > now, then to go cold turkey when it runs out.
>
> My next car will
Retrofitting? What exactly do you mean by that?
Bruce
Gruss Gott wrote:
> Seems like where we should be investing our dollars is in clean coal
> and clean diesel technology. Why? Both engine technologies and
> distribution systems already exist. Cleaning up the technologies will
> be, to begi
Hmmm... grow crops for food or for fuel? Do you really think they can do both?
On Dec 4, 2007 7:30 AM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That's why I fail to see any value whatsoever in hybrids. They're an
> evolutionary dead-end unless there's something I'm missing.
>
> And bio-diesel solv
> Scott wrote:
> I'm considering buying a diesel (god, I wish they'd make a diesel wrangler)
> because there are biodiesel outlets close enough to make it feasible.
>
yeah, I just don't understand all these complicated "solutions". We
can build cars that run on Fabrege Eggs and eagle feathers too
stwebworks.com/blog/index.cfm/2007/10/16/Boycotting-SysCon
-Original Message-
From: Robert Munn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 1:42 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Prius Question
Dude I agree with you, but it isn't that simple. Throwing money at the
p
> RoMunnwrote:
> Dude I agree with you, but it isn't that simple. Throwing money at the
> problem will not guarantee success.
Using 2 engines to power 1 car that still runs on hydrocarbons? And
if you use full electricity you still have to get that from somewhere
which, at least for the next 15 y
Scott Stewart wrote:
> We must wean ourselves off of hydrocarbon based fuels. It's easier to do it
> now, then to go cold turkey when it runs out.
My next car will be a nuclear sub.
--BenD
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Get involved in the latest ColdFusi
Dude I agree with you, but it isn't that simple. Throwing money at the
problem will not guarantee success. How can we foster meaningful innovation
in the space? I don't have the answers. Education, maybe? Anyone under 40
grew up hearing issues about the environment, but how many adults grew up
bein
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Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 12:28 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Prius Question
> Zapman wrote:
> yeah, I've thought about that jetta sportwagon, but being in dallas
> and watching my diesel trucks mileage decrease dramatically in
> traffic, I'm think
> Zapman wrote:
> yeah, I've thought about that jetta sportwagon, but being in dallas
> and watching my diesel trucks mileage decrease dramatically in
> traffic, I'm thinking that the prius would be more efficient. Now, if
> only they would marry the sportwagon tdi with a hybrid system.
>
>
I've
yeah, I've thought about that jetta sportwagon, but being in dallas
and watching my diesel trucks mileage decrease dramatically in
traffic, I'm thinking that the prius would be more efficient. Now, if
only they would marry the sportwagon tdi with a hybrid system.
On 12/3/07, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PR
Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
> Now that I know Sean is watching this list :) , of all the prius
> owners on this list, what kind of mileage are you realizing?
45 - 50 MPG mostly city, light highway commute driving.
50 - 55 MPG on the annual long-haul interstate vacation drive. This
summer's drive inc
> Zap wrote:
> Now that I know Sean is watching this list :) , of all the prius
> owners on this list, what kind of mileage are you realizing?
>
Well I'm not a Prius owner, but I do have some data points for you as
I've done my own unscientific poll:
Friend in Dallas: claims 52, almost no highway
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