Just remember why you know Machiavelli's name: he was a leader, but also a
diplomat and politician.
On Jul 30, 2011, at 7:33 PM, Vivec wrote:
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> Lol...sounds like you would use some pretty underhand methods
> including Blackmailing members of your own party! hahahha!
>
> Machiavellian m
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Subject: Re: So what really happens
(1.) I would go up to the hill and find out what the non-idiot republicans
needed.
(2.) I would MAKE the democrats vote my way or I'd threaten to expose
anything I could about them.
(3.) I would move on with business.
That's what
no. Congress should read legislation before passing it period. But failing
to do so has been aproblem for years and also != corruption, unlike
Cantor's investments.
On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 6:36 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote:
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> "There is no moral equivalency here. The only equivalency is in the reic
Lol...sounds like you would use some pretty underhand methods
including Blackmailing members of your own party! hahahha!
Machiavellian much?
On 30 July 2011 17:42, Grussgott wrote:
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> (1.) I would go up to the hill and find out what the non-idiot republicans
> needed.
>
> (2.) I would MAKE th
(1.) I would go up to the hill and find out what the non-idiot republicans
needed.
(2.) I would MAKE the democrats vote my way or I'd threaten to expose anything
I could about them.
(3.) I would move on with business.
That's what leaders do. Too bad we didn't elect one in the whitehouse.
This is all nice to say.
But if you were him, what would YOU do?
The GOP does not want to agree to anything involving increasing
revenue via taxes.
On 30 July 2011 16:44, Grussgott wrote:
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> I have a plan too and mine is as successful as his is, so what do we need him
> for?
>
> Obama was el
Wow..I agree with Gruss on this one..100%.
Well said, sir.
On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 3:26 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
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> What the hell is with all the noise around this issue. It's pretty simple:
>
> (1.) Raising the debt ceiling is a vote of respect for the previous
> congress and President, and the
I have a plan too and mine is as successful as his is, so what do we need him
for?
Obama was elected to be a leader and he asked for the job. So now we need him
to do what we're paying him to do.
On Jul 30, 2011, at 3:18 PM, Vivec wrote:
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> Why do you keep saying Obama does not have a p
Why do you keep saying Obama does not have a plan when the House
rejected the Democrat's plan?
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2011/07/2011730191555225209.html
On 30 July 2011 15:26, Gruss Gott wrote:
> (3.3.) Obama for, yet again, leading from behind. Here we are
> on the br
Jerry Barnes wrote:
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> "There is no moral equivalency here. The only equivalency is in the reich
> wing's pointy little heads."
>
> To paraphrase: She's a democrat so it's okay.
>
What the hell is with all the noise around this issue. It's pretty simple:
(1.) Raising the debt ceiling is a vo
"There is no moral equivalency here. The only equivalency is in the reich
wing's pointy little heads."
To paraphrase: She's a democrat so it's okay.
J
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Ninety percent of politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation. -
Henry Kissinger
Politicians are people who, when they see ligh
>That does not make what Pelosi is doing 'right'. It just may be a
>little less 'wrong'...maybe.
>
>On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 8:03 PM, Larry Lyons wrote:
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You still miss the point. Cantor has a direct interest (or rather had one) in
making sure the country defaulted. At the very worst Pelosi's
M
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> Subject: Re: So what really happens
>
>
> That does not make what Pelosi is doing 'right'. It just may be a little
> less 'wrong'...maybe.
>
> On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 8:03 PM, Larry Lyons wrote:
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>> Still if she gets he
It makes it irrelevant to the situation though...
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Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 8:02 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: So what really happens
That does not make what Pelosi is doing 'right'. It just may be a l
"Still if she gets her way, will it cause significant harm to the economy? "
Really?
That's the best you can come up with?
Anyway, to answer your question, yes it could cause significant harm to the
economy. Overspending on crap like this could lead to the government
overspending and going in
That does not make what Pelosi is doing 'right'. It just may be a
little less 'wrong'...maybe.
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 8:03 PM, Larry Lyons wrote:
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> Still if she gets her way, will it cause significant harm to the economy? If
> Cantor gets his way, aside from the windfall he would get, would
Still if she gets her way, will it cause significant harm to the economy? If
Cantor gets his way, aside from the windfall he would get, would that harm the
economy?
>"Minority Leader Pelosi is not betting on the government defaulting. Cantor
>is. Cantor is betting against the full faith and cre
well there is still re-election to consider, remember. Norquist has said he
will fund primary challengers to anyone who votes for anything that could be
construed as raising taxes.
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 10:26 AM, GMoney wrote:
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> On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 12:09 PM, Larry Lyons
> wrote:
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> >
I agree. What Cantor is doing is wrong. If Pelosi did that, it was wrong. I
say we address the wrongness that is happening right now.
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 5:48 AM, GMoney wrote:
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> On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 7:44 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote:
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> >
> > "You could do what one of the republican leade
"Those in the Tea Party Caucus, like Bachmann have said they will nto vote
to increase the debt ceiling. Its hard to counter the 60 votes they carry."
So what. Obama said he wouldn't increase the debt. They are full of shit.
Alan West is a tea party darling and has said he will compromise. And
"wait, I thought that was a Republican idea. Wait, it was. So they could
call him a megalomaniac ;)"
I'd call him an idiot.
J
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Ninety percent of politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation. -
Henry Kissinger
Politicians are people who, when they see light at the end of the tunnel
"Also, I have not heard any members of the Black Caucus sing any pledges
that they won;t vote for legislation every one and their brother knows is
vital to the country. So, there is that."
A lot of the Black Caucus is too busy calling the Republicans racist to
state anything else. That's really
"Minority Leader Pelosi is not betting on the government defaulting. Cantor
is. Cantor is betting against the full faith and credit clause of the
Constitution."
No, she was betting on controlling the legislation that would direct money
to her investments.
Both are sleazy. I can see that. Most
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:17 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote:
> Wow. The media gurus on the left must love you. You bought their lines
> hook, line, and sinker.
"Unfortunately, Congress consistently brings the government to the
edge of default before facing its responsibility. This brinkmanship
threa
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 12:09 PM, Larry Lyons wrote:
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> Minority Leader Pelosi is not betting on the government defaulting. Cantor
> is. Cantor is betting against the full faith and credit clause of the
> Constitution.
>
> Funny though, it appears that Cantor has suddenly divested himself of mo
Minority Leader Pelosi is not betting on the government defaulting. Cantor is.
Cantor is betting against the full faith and credit clause of the Constitution.
Funny though, it appears that Cantor has suddenly divested himself of most of
this investment, but only after the news got out.
>"You
Based purely on numbers, it controls less than the Tea Party.
Also, I have not heard any members of the Black Caucus sing any
pledges that they won;t vote for legislation every one and their
brother knows is vital to the country. So, there is that.
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 8:39 AM, Jerry Barnes
At least she isn't invested in the failure of the US. Cantor should be
tried for treason.
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From: Jerry Barnes [mailto:critic...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 7:45 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: So what really happens
"You could do what
e you taking? I want
some...that must be some really good shit.
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From: Jerry Barnes [mailto:critic...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 7:36 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: So what really happens
"Thanx for the civics lesson Jerry, but I already know abo
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 7:44 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote:
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> "You could do what one of the republican leaders, Eric Cantor, is doing.
> Apparently he's heavily invested in companies that short sell government
> bonds. So if there is a default he makes a killing. Can you say Conflict
> of
> Interest
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote:
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> You seemed to be blaming to blame the tea party for the delay in the
> resolution yet admit that they are a vocal minority. This is a democratic
> dream argument. There are other funded special interests that don't get any
> air play. Th
"You could do what one of the republican leaders, Eric Cantor, is doing.
Apparently he's heavily invested in companies that short sell government
bonds. So if there is a default he makes a killing. Can you say Conflict of
Interest kiddies."
Kind of like Nancy Pelosi investing in Clean Energy Fue
"That is 16% of the overall House of Representatives and 25% of the
Republicans in the House. With those numbers, they control a lot."
What about the "Black Caucus". It has about 40 members. Does it control a
lot? Which way do you think it pushes in the debate?
J
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Ninety percent of polit
"Thanx for the civics lesson Jerry, but I already know about the Tea Baggers
and their stature in Congress. Yes, the Democrats have the Senate and
Presidency, but those two alone will not get bills passed. We still need the
voice of the House. And the Tea Baggers seem to have a very vocal minority
Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 9:51 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: So what really happens
Thanx for the civics lesson Jerry, but I already know about the Tea Baggers
and their stature in Congress. Yes, the Democrats have the Senate and
Presidency, but thos
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote:
> The tea party movement controls nothing. The Democrats control the Senate
> and the Presidency. The Republicans controls the house. There is no
> official "Tea Party", but those that you would call Tea Party candidates
> make up a small
You could do what one of the republican leaders, Eric Cantor, is doing.
Apparently he's heavily invested in companies that short sell government bonds.
So if there is a default he makes a killing. Can you say Conflict of Interest
kiddies.
>Maybe not. But if you have money in the market, get
Because the airlines are making so much money?
What's this:
The group said that it expects profits to plummet 78% to $4 billion
this year, compared to last year's net profit of $18 billion. This
makes for a measly margin of 0.7% in 2011.
http://money.cnn.com/2011/06/06/news/companies/airline_ind
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJeuGd6FfYs
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 7:41 AM, Vivec wrote:
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> They should cut all social spending. No welfare, no medic care, just
> let the rich ride free over the US.
> Stop pussy footing and truly enslave the population.
>
> Because it seems millions will die,
wait, I thought that was a Republican idea. Wait, it was. So they could call
him a megalomaniac ;)
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 7:25 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote:
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> "In the end I hope Obama ends up raising the debt ceiling himself."
>
> The guy is already a megalomaniac and you want him to have more pow
WHAT!!
I thought without all the Regulations and all that Businesses
would be able to pass stuff onto their customers, Employees, hire more etc.
Not just keep things the way they are and make more profit!
On 26 July 2011 11:00, Casey Dougall wrote:
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> But did airlines simply pass on this savin
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 10:41 AM, Vivec wrote:
>
> They should cut all social spending. No welfare, no medic care, just
> let the rich ride free over the US.
> Stop pussy footing and truly enslave the population.
>
> Because it seems millions will die, many federal employees will be
> fired, se
Thanx for the civics lesson Jerry, but I already know about the Tea
Baggers and their stature in Congress. Yes, the Democrats have the
Senate and Presidency, but those two alone will not get bills passed.
We still need the voice of the House. And the Tea Baggers seem to have
a very vocal minority.
They should cut all social spending. No welfare, no medic care, just
let the rich ride free over the US.
Stop pussy footing and truly enslave the population.
Because it seems millions will die, many federal employees will be
fired, services will need to be shut down.
So unemployment will increas
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 9:13 AM, Casey Dougall <
ca...@uberwebsitesolutions.com> wrote:
> In the end I hope Obama ends up raising the debt ceiling himself.
>
>
> http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jul/19/news/la-pn-clinton-debt-ceiling-20110719
>
> Bill Clinton says if he were president, he would n
Yes...the WSJ...the print version of Fox News. It's a shame. WSJ used to
be a respectable news paper until Rupert Murdoch turned into a tabloid.
Eric
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 9:06 AM, Sam wrote:
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> So you believed the presidential sound bite?
>
> Even the Dems in congress don't agree with yo
"In the end I hope Obama ends up raising the debt ceiling himself."
The guy is already a megalomaniac and you want him to have more power.
J
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I think that I'm a better speechwriter than my speechwriters. I know more
about policies on any particular issue than my policy directors. And I'll
tel
I am with you on that Scott. Obama makes cuts and that is not enough for
republicans. He makes more cuts and that is not enough...they ant even
more. (Geeze...where have we seen this play out before). Yet, the rich get
their tax breaks and shelters and multi-billion dollar corps get their
subs
"What the Tea Baggers are doing is essentially trying to rewrite the fire
evacuation plan while the building is on fire, and refusing to call the fire
department until everyone agrees to their terms. "
You really are a catch for the left wing spin machine.
The tea party movement controls nothing
But Obama said he'd veto whatever bi-partisan bill came to him unless
it had tax increases. Doesn't that make him the problem?
.
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 10:13 AM, Casey Dougall
wrote:
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> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Sam wrote:
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>>
>> Sux that Obama had to cancel his fundraiser to talk
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Sam wrote:
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> Sux that Obama had to cancel his fundraiser to talk about the stupid
> debt ceiling.
> I mean come on he needs to raise a billion dollars and can't waste
> time on stupid shit like this. There's Crystal waiting to be drunk.
>
> .
>
In the end I h
Sux that Obama had to cancel his fundraiser to talk about the stupid
debt ceiling.
I mean come on he needs to raise a billion dollars and can't waste
time on stupid shit like this. There's Crystal waiting to be drunk.
.
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Eric Roberts
wrote:
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> Force feed them mo
So you believed the presidential sound bite?
Even the Dems in congress don't agree with you:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405311190304576468771171844358.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop
The Obama Presidency has been unprecedented in many ways, and last
night we saw another startling
Force feed them mountain dew and don't let them go to the bathroom till they
come to a deal.
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From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 3:38 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: So what really happens
Too true. The entire mess remin
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 10:51 PM, Maureen wrote:
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> Maybe not. But if you have money in the market, get it out now
> because if they default next week your 401K will be a 4K.
>
That sounds like a great way to make a bad situation, even worse.
What the Tea Baggers are doing is essentially trying to rewrite the
fire evacuation plan while the building is on fire, and refusing to
call the fire department until everyone agrees to their terms. The new
'compromise' in Washington, where you threaten the other side until
they agree to your term
Too true. The entire mess reminds me of pre-schoolers fighting in a sandbox.
The best way to fix this would be to lock the whole bunch in a room so
no one can leave, turn on cameras from the media pool and broadcast
the negotiations to the whole world.
They would cave and have a settlement in l
"These fucktards think they know better than every other expert I have
heard, yet, they continue to play chicken with the global economy.
Assholes."
Wow. The media gurus on the left must love you. You bought their lines
hook, line, and sinker.
You can't play chicken without an opponent. So, w
Maybe not. But if you have money in the market, get it out now
because if they default next week your 401K will be a 4K.
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 7:50 PM, Scott Stroz wrote:
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> You are right, we will not default on debt instantly, But, the
> repercussions of not raising the ceiling will have gl
You are right, we will not default on debt instantly, But, the
repercussions of not raising the ceiling will have global effects. All
because a few Tea Bag cowboys want to have a shoot out on the absolute
worst issue they could have chosen, at the absolute worst time.
Fucktards.
On Mon, Jul 25, 2
I don't think the situation is entirely cut and dried. For instance,
if we don't raise the debt ceiling, that doesn't mean that we
instantly go into default on our debt. We still have a sizable revenue
stream as a nation and could take money from discretionary spending
projects and use it to pay d
Not if you listen to the moronic Tea Baggers. According to them,
nothing will happen..at all...its all a bluff by Obama.
These fucktards think they know better than every other expert I have
heard, yet, they continue to play chicken with the global economy.
Assholes.
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 8:13
Yup. Very expensive and probably a global recession with a US depression.
Probably would meltdown Europe too. Very very bad. Most of us would lose our
jobs to start and then it'd get worse from there.
Basically it'd be a self-inflicted shot to the head in that the country might
survive but
My understanding is that basically failing to raise the debt ceiling
is the government saying "we are not planning on paying back all the
money we have budgeted.".
So, either the government stops paying those bills they budgeted, or
they are going to have to borrow that money as UNSECURED debt.
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