Re: The ignorance of the conservative talking heads

2004-12-16 Thread Gruss Gott
Sam wrote: Speeaking of the Wall Street Journal :) The most liberally biased news product is the Wall Street Journal: Well then I guess the best daily newspaper on the planet is liberally biased. I don't have the time to read the reasoning behind this, but that's the first time I've heard

Re: The ignorance of the conservative talking heads

2004-12-16 Thread Dana
look who's keeping score. Or at least reporting it. Dana On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 15:48:23 -0500, Jerry Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So the Drudge report and Jim Lehrer would be considered liberal leaning? Holy cow. Jerry Jerry Johnson Web Developer Dolan Media Company [EMAIL

Re: The ignorance of the conservative talking heads

2004-12-16 Thread Sam Morris
Speeaking of the Wall Street Journal :) The most liberally biased news product is the Wall Street Journal: http://weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/997meijg.asp The scores: 100 is Liberal 0 is Conservative Wall Street Journal 85.1 New York Times 73.7 CBS Evening News 73.7

Re: The ignorance of the conservative talking heads

2004-12-16 Thread Jerry Johnson
So the Drudge report and Jim Lehrer would be considered liberal leaning? Holy cow. Jerry Jerry Johnson Web Developer Dolan Media Company [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/16/04 03:26PM The scores: 100 is Liberal 0 is Conservative DrudgeReport 60.4 News Hour with Jim Lehrer 55.8

Re: The ignorance of the conservative talking heads

2004-12-14 Thread Sam Morris
Gruss Gott wrote: His listeners desire this groupthink because they don't read much and are confused about the world but nevertheless concerned. They turn to Mr. Limbaugh who makes them feel comfortable with their ignorance and then fills their head with talking points. In this way the bulk

Re: The ignorance of the conservative talking heads

2004-12-14 Thread Sam Morris
http://www.nypost.com/news/worldnews/36359.htm qoute We think he was a major player in this — a central figure, a senior law-enforcement official told The Post. ... Since most of the recipients did not have refineries or cargo ships, they needed to sell the oil to someone else who could ship the

Re: The ignorance of the conservative talking heads

2004-12-14 Thread Dana
true but there is a difference between what he can do and how seriously he should be taken Dana Since when do you decide what Mr. Limbaugh can talk about on his own show? This isn't CNN, it's his talk show and he can discuss whatever he feels like. No equal time rule apply. On Mon, 13 Dec

Re: The ignorance of the conservative talking heads

2004-12-14 Thread Sam Morris
I did a google news search for food-for-oil Exxon food-for-oil Chevron Came up with nothing Then searched for Exxon Iraq And came up with the NY Post Article the Rush Limbaugh linked to. The very last line of that article was: Several major American oil companies, including Chevron Texaco and

Re: The ignorance of the conservative talking heads

2004-12-14 Thread Dana
Sam :) Maybe there is a reason why none of us knows what you are talking about -- we don't toe the neo-con line :) Your previous post inspired me to do a news search on food for oi, all alone, without specifying Marc Rich or any corporations and I came up with the following amusing little piece:

Re: The ignorance of the conservative talking heads

2004-12-14 Thread Sam Morris
Sanctions against Iraq should have been lifted in 1991? NY Times supports Bush? Clinton is a Neo-Con? Wow, too much to debunk here and no time. http://slate.msn.com/id/2063934/ If you believe this then of course you won't understand what I'm talking about :) And you make fun of Rush :P I love

Re: The ignorance of the conservative talking heads

2004-12-14 Thread Dana
wayward :) hehe I love that. The guy used to be a supply-sider, then he became wayward :) Seriously, I don't have time for this right now either. Your article is a bit old and seems to assume that Saddam Hussein is an imminent threat to, well, somebody :) My point is that reasonable people may

Re: The ignorance of the conservative talking heads

2004-12-14 Thread Dana
Sam, you may listen to other sources and occasionally you have come up with some good links to prove your point*, but you seem to be far more likely to quote Rush than anyone else. BTW, it was Bill Maher that said that about Clinton and a stake. It was a joke. A true joke :) but a joke. I've

Re: The ignorance of the conservative talking heads

2004-12-14 Thread Sam Morris
On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:16:04 -0700, Dana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sam, you may listen to other sources and occasionally you have come up with some good links to prove your point*, but you seem to be far more likely to quote Rush than anyone else. I usually only quote Rush when someone starts

Re: The ignorance of the conservative talking heads

2004-12-14 Thread Gruss Gott
Sam wrote: So if it wasn't for Rush we'de never know about Exxon or Texaco involvment. LOL - or the Wall Street Journal. From Dec 2nd: The roles of several American oil companies, including ChevronTexaco (CVX) and ExxonMobil (XOM), are also under investigation. ChevronTexaco received

Re: The ignorance of the conservative talking heads

2004-12-14 Thread Gruss Gott
Sam wrote: In my mind groupthink is when some unwitting fool listens to Terry McAuliffe, Al Franken and Bill Maher Yeah, they're guilty of partisan chicanery too - especially Mr. McAuliffe. I don't know that I'd include Mr. Maher in that group though; he's especially critical of most of the

Re: The ignorance of the conservative talking heads

2004-12-13 Thread Howie Hamlin
Ann Coulter is an acerbic idtiot. --- On Monday, December 13, 2004 9:37 AM, Marlon Moyer scribed: --- Canada should consider themselves lucky that we allow them to exist, Ann Coulter http://www.hugi.is/hahradi/bigboxes.php?box_id=51208f_id=1211

RE: The ignorance of the conservative talking heads

2004-12-13 Thread Marlon Moyer
Yep, quicktime. -Original Message- From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 10:20 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: The ignorance of the conservative talking heads what sort of clip is this? I am getting a red x. Maybe because I moved Quicktime

Re: The ignorance of the conservative talking heads

2004-12-13 Thread Dana
what sort of clip is this? I am getting a red x. Maybe because I moved Quicktime to another drive last night? Dana On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 08:37:39 -0600, Marlon Moyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Canada should consider themselves lucky that we allow them to exist, Ann Coulter

Re: The ignorance of the conservative talking heads

2004-12-13 Thread G
He got in some trouble if i recall toowhich is great. To paraphrase George Carlin, its good to piss off any group that takes itself too seriously. Brian wrote: Triumph consistently cracks me up. Did you ever see that gig with the people waiting in line to see the Star Wars movie? I

Re: The ignorance of the conservative talking heads

2004-12-13 Thread Gruss Gott
Brian wrote: He got in some trouble if i recall toowhich is great. yeah, I think Conan is banned from Quebec for life. Too funny. ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - CFDynamics

Re: The ignorance of the conservative talking heads

2004-12-13 Thread Kevin Graeme
That's the scary thing. They are obviously taking the piss to some extent, but the attitude is at the core of conservative thinking here. -Kevin On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 14:49:21 -, James Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If those two are kidding then that is a funny couple of articles, if they

Re: The ignorance of the conservative talking heads

2004-12-13 Thread Sam Morris
First of all, Coulter and Limbaugh are not in the same league so I don't no why anyone would heap them together. She's like Howard Stern and goes for the shock value to get noticed. If she didn't, nobody would know her. Rush on the other hand is well established so doesn't need to use shock to get

Re: The ignorance of the conservative talking heads

2004-12-13 Thread Gruss Gott
Marlon wrote: Canada should consider themselves lucky that we allow them to exist, Ann Coulter Ann Coulter ... yeah, I banged her. They arrested ME for beastiality. - Triumph the Insult Comic Dog, covering the 2004 Republican National convention

Re: The ignorance of the conservative talking heads

2004-12-13 Thread Gruss Gott
Marlon wrote: Canada should consider themselves lucky that we allow them to exist, Ann Coulter Ms. Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Baghdad Bob, and like have figured out they can make a living from appealing to the worst of human nature: we're good, they're evil. They're professionals at it because

Re: The ignorance of the conservative talking heads

2004-12-13 Thread Dana
only in the thread subject and the body of your post :) No mention of stupidity or ignorance. ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - RUWebby http://www.ruwebby.com Message:

Re: The ignorance of the conservative talking heads

2004-12-13 Thread Gruss Gott
Sam wrote: Secondly, I would question the IQ of someone with the arrogance to pass judgment on the intelligence of people he doesn't agree with. It's about agreeing with someone, it has to do with the method and accuracy with which the content is delivered. For example, we could disagree

Re: The ignorance of the conservative talking heads

2004-12-13 Thread Sam Morris
I don't see it in the body of my post. How are you feeling today? -sm On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 13:16:20 -0700, Dana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: only in the thread subject and the body of your post :) No mention of stupidity or ignorance.

Re: The ignorance of the conservative talking heads

2004-12-13 Thread G
Gruss, you know it's not quite THAT simple. Rush will also have his studies that support his ideas. Its the conclusions he draws from them that are outrageous, in my opinion. Extremism almost always grows from a much more logical source, then takes that next step, often in spite of logic.

Re: The ignorance of the conservative talking heads

2004-12-13 Thread Dana
, quicktime. -Original Message- From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 10:20 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: The ignorance of the conservative talking heads what sort of clip is this? I am getting a red x. Maybe because I moved Quicktime

Re: The ignorance of the conservative talking heads

2004-12-13 Thread Sam Morris
Do you really think that? I would not like him either if that were true. I think you're confusing him with Michael Savage. Disclaimer: I only listen occasionally for the comedy. He is truly an extremist nut job. He complains all the time about Bush not being a Conservative and that Liberalism is a

Re: The ignorance of the conservative talking heads

2004-12-13 Thread Dana
testy :) how else would I feel when talking to you? :) But I'll grant you that the body of your post doesn't say stupidity it says intelligence. I reversed the term to preserve the meaning without going to some complex construction like you still seem to think it isn't possible to call someone

Re: The ignorance of the conservative talking heads

2004-12-13 Thread Gruss Gott
Sam wrote: He complains all the time about Bush not being a Conservative He's certainly not fiscally conservative and he's responsible for the largest expansion of the federal government in history - those are all liberl claims to fame not conservative. Mr. Bush's only conservative positions

Re: The ignorance of the conservative talking heads

2004-12-13 Thread William Bowen
And he does a hilarious Clinton imitation Gee, 4 years out of office, and Rush still manages to get mileage out of Clinton? boy, now that's a talent! Harkens back to the days of Take my wife, please! and Where's the beef? must have had a field day with the Clinton library opening up...

Re: The ignorance of the conservative talking heads

2004-12-13 Thread Sam Morris
On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:11:04 -0600, Gruss Gott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sam wrote: He complains all the time about Bush not being a Conservative He's certainly not fiscally conservative and he's responsible for the largest expansion of the federal government in history - those are all

Re: The ignorance of the conservative talking heads

2004-12-13 Thread Kevin Graeme
On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:11:04 -0600, Gruss Gott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He's certainly not fiscally conservative and he's responsible for the largest expansion of the federal government in history - those are all liberl claims to fame not conservative. Those are only mistaken liberal

Re: The ignorance of the conservative talking heads

2004-12-13 Thread Dana
I dunno. Why do you bother to what? What are you thinking when you say such things? And why would I be anything but fine? Dana On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 13:25:01 -0800, Sam Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Always with the attitude. Why do I bother? On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 13:58:35 -0700, Dana

Re: The ignorance of the conservative talking heads

2004-12-13 Thread Gruss Gott
Brian wrote: Rush will also have his studies that support his ideas. Its the conclusions he draws from them that are outrageous, in my opinion. Extremism almost always grows from a much more logical source, then takes that next step, often in spite of logic. Well said He's not the #1

Re: The ignorance of the conservative talking heads

2004-12-13 Thread Sam Morris
Because your so testy! On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 14:40:31 -0700, Dana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I dunno. Why do you bother to what? What are you thinking when you say such things? And why would I be anything but fine? ~| Special

Re: The ignorance of the conservative talking heads

2004-12-13 Thread Jason Lemahieu
Re: The ignorance of the conservative talking heads The Talking Heads were an amazing band - I don't know how conservative they were though, or ignorant for that matter. :/ ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver

Re: The ignorance of the conservative talking heads

2004-12-13 Thread Dana
Hey Bill Maher still gets mileage out of Clinton :) My favorite line was that they'll have to put a stake through the guy's heart to get him out of politics. Dana On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 13:17:32 -0800, William Bowen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And he does a hilarious Clinton imitation Gee, 4

Re: The ignorance of the conservative talking heads

2004-12-13 Thread Sam Morris
On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:49:30 -0600, Gruss Gott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I pointed out that this is what makes it ridiculous - he offers opinions on policy based on nothing but the theory that team A is better than team B. He doesn't do that so I again ask please give at least ONE example.

Re: The ignorance of the conservative talking heads

2004-12-13 Thread Gruss Gott
Jason wrote: The Talking Heads were an amazing band - I don't know how conservative they were though, or ignorant for that matter. :/ I think David Byrne has been an outspoken proponent of liberal causes. ~| Special

Re: The ignorance of the conservative talking heads

2004-12-13 Thread Sam Morris
So what is his point with this tid-bit? Why discuss it? What is it's relevance? You keep saying: I pointed out that this is what makes it ridiculous - he offers opinions on policy based on nothing but the theory that team A is better than team B. And I keep asking for examples. To help you

Re: The ignorance of the conservative talking heads

2004-12-13 Thread Dana
hrm? You mean that Bill Maher quote that amused me? If you're agreeing with Bill Maher, I'm writing the date down g although, kudos for the open mind :) Dana And... since there was mention of Rush still talking about Clinton all these years later it kind of fits in with Dana's way of thinking

Re: The ignorance of the conservative talking heads

2004-12-13 Thread G
And he does a hilarious Clinton imitation Brian wrote: Rush will also have his studies that support his ideas. Its the conclusions he draws from them that are outrageous, in my opinion. Extremism almost always grows from a much more logical source, then takes that next step, often

Re: The ignorance of the conservative talking heads

2004-12-13 Thread Sam Morris
Don't you think that's news? Clinton pardoned rich for illegal deals with Iraq and is now at the center of the Oil-for-food scandal. He has donated to both Clintons election campaign and to the Clinton Library. But, even if you take the Clintons out of this it's still big news and could force

Re: The ignorance of the conservative talking heads

2004-12-13 Thread Dana
sure, why not. Maybe :) depends on what you think my way of thinking is :) Dana On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 16:25:41 -0800, Sam Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, I don't find the stake in the heart quote funny. I'm not saying it's bad, just a really weak joke. Actually I don't think anything he

Re: The ignorance of the conservative talking heads

2004-12-13 Thread Gruss Gott
Sam wrote: He doesn't do that so I again ask please give at least ONE example. I'll give you another starting point: Marc Rich at Center of Oil-For-Food Scandal http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_121304/content/it_stinks_out_there_2.guest.html So what is his point with this

Re: The ignorance of the conservative talking heads

2004-12-13 Thread Dana
you're still confusing ignorant with stupid. Already been a few rounds of that with you. Dana On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 11:32:09 -0800, Sam Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First of all, Coulter and Limbaugh are not in the same league so I don't no why anyone would heap them together. She's like

Re: The ignorance of the conservative talking heads

2004-12-13 Thread Sam Morris
Sorry, I don't find the stake in the heart quote funny. I'm not saying it's bad, just a really weak joke. Actually I don't think anything he says is funny. Jon Stewart on the other hand is hilarious. Can I get a kudos for the open mind there? On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 16:38:15 -0700, Dana [EMAIL

Re: The ignorance of the conservative talking heads

2004-12-13 Thread Gruss Gott
Sam wrote: I told you he doesn't only talk about policy. Clearly Mr. Limbaugh is demagogue - he makes his living off of people's prejudices; convincing them that they're part of some greater whole with which they can attach their allegiance too. His listeners desire this groupthink because

RE: The ignorance of the conservative talking heads

2004-12-13 Thread Tyler
It's funny because it's true., Homer Simpson -Original Message- From: Marlon Moyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 9:38 AM To: CF-Community Subject: The ignorance of the conservative talking heads Canada should consider themselves lucky that we allow them to

Re: The ignorance of the conservative talking heads

2004-12-13 Thread Kevin Graeme
Heh. -Kevin Ann Coulter is an acerbic idtiot. ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:139569 Archives:

RE: The ignorance of the conservative talking heads

2004-12-13 Thread James Smith
If those two are kidding then that is a funny couple of articles, if they are serious then god help us all! -- Jay -Original Message- From: Marlon Moyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 December 2004 14:38 To: CF-Community Subject: The ignorance of the conservative talking heads

Re: The ignorance of the conservative talking heads

2004-12-13 Thread G
Triumph consistently cracks me up. Did you ever see that gig with the people waiting in line to see the Star Wars movie? I laughed so hard I think I gave myself another hernia Marlon wrote: Canada should consider themselves lucky that we allow them to exist, Ann Coulter Ann Coulter

Re: The ignorance of the conservative talking heads

2004-12-13 Thread Gruss Gott
Brian wrote: Triumph consistently cracks me up. Did you ever see that gig with the people waiting in line to see the Star Wars movie? I laughed so hard I think I gave myself another hernia That was great! My favorite was when Conan was hosting from Canada and Triumph went on tour of

Re: The ignorance of the conservative talking heads

2004-12-13 Thread Sam Morris
Always with the attitude. Why do I bother? On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 13:58:35 -0700, Dana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: testy :) how else would I feel when talking to you? :) But I'll grant you that the body of your post doesn't say stupidity it says intelligence. I reversed the term to preserve the

Re: The ignorance of the conservative talking heads

2004-12-13 Thread Sam Morris
On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:05:35 -0600, Gruss Gott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A Limbaugh listener may not be a simpleton, but if they choose to believe in Mr. Limbaugh's arguments then they are choosing to be ignorant (the none so blind as those who refuse to see thing). Can you please give a few

Re: The ignorance of the conservative talking heads

2004-12-13 Thread Dana
hmm so the Republicans tax and spend then get to benefit from calling people tax and spend liberals? Nice work if you can get it : Dana On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:30:04 -0600, Kevin Graeme [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:11:04 -0600, Gruss Gott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He's

Re: The ignorance of the conservative talking heads

2004-12-13 Thread Gruss Gott
Sam wrote: This whole thread has gone buggy. Limbaugh doesn't craft policy, he's a talk show host on the radio. Yes, one who offers opinions on policy - that's the whole point of his show: liberals have stupid policy ideas and conservatives have smart ones. I pointed out that this is what

Re: The ignorance of the conservative talking heads

2004-12-13 Thread Gruss Gott
Kevin wrote: Those are only mistaken liberal stereotypes. I've always thought that American liberalism has 2 historical components: 1.) Basic needs provided for and protected by the federal government: health care, retirement, jobs, food, etc. Historically this has meant high taxes to pay

Re: The ignorance of the conservative talking heads

2004-12-13 Thread Sam Morris
What are you talking about? How did ignorance or stupid get into this thread? We're talking about the mentally weak, low IQ's and arrogance. No mention of stupidity or ignorance. Now 'bout them dogs? On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:59:09 -0700, Dana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you're still confusing

Re: The ignorance of the conservative talking heads

2004-12-13 Thread Kevin Graeme
So you're saying she's got balls? :-D -Kevin On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 14:12:02 -0800, Sam Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because your so testy! ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net

Re: The ignorance of the conservative talking heads

2004-12-13 Thread Gruss Gott
Sam wrote: And I keep asking for examples. I'll show you if you answer the question - why should Mr. Limbaugh be discussing this in the first place. How is it relevant? What does Marc Rich have to do with anything? ~|

Re: The ignorance of the conservative talking heads

2004-12-13 Thread Gruss Gott
Sam wrote: Don't you think that's news? Clinton pardoned rich for illegal deals with Iraq and is now at the center of the Oil-for-food scandal. To answer your question, Mr. Rich isn't at the center of the scandal he's one participant; which is mild news. There are many other participants