Re: here comes a nuclear Iran

2011-06-10 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Which is why it concerns me that Iran may have (or get very soon) nuclear weapons." Exactly. J - Ninety percent of politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation. - Henry Kissinger Politicians are people who, when they see light at the end of the tunnel, go out and buy some more tun

Re: here comes a nuclear Iran

2011-06-10 Thread Scott Stroz
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 12:23 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > Trying to guess the level of self preservation instincts in addicts > and crazy people is not a game you're going to win regularly. Which is why it concerns me that Iran may have (or get very soon) nuclear weapons. -- Scott Stroz -

Re: here comes a nuclear Iran

2011-06-10 Thread Judah McAuley
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 9:21 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "On the other hand, people are rather worried that one or both of the crazy > rednecks are selling guns to the guy in the trailer park who cooks meth and > bad shit may go down when that guy ends up huffing too many fumes." > > Definitely.

Re: here comes a nuclear Iran

2011-06-10 Thread Jerry Barnes
"On the other hand, people are rather worried that one or both of the crazy rednecks are selling guns to the guy in the trailer park who cooks meth and bad shit may go down when that guy ends up huffing too many fumes." Definitely. But what about poor Crazy Joe? Is he more or less likely to sel

Re: here comes a nuclear Iran

2011-06-10 Thread Judah McAuley
In this case, the two crazy rednecks oddly enough haven't gotten into a real fight since they both bought guns because each knows how fucking crazy the other dude is and doesn't want to get shot. On the other hand, people are rather worried that one or both of the crazy rednecks are selling guns

Re: here comes a nuclear Iran

2011-06-10 Thread Jerry Barnes
"They still seem like the most likely candidates, to me, to actually use nuclear weapons and as of yet, they have not." So, as an analogy: T Two rednecks frequently see each other at the village tavern. They hate each other and have regularly gotten into fights. Both own guns. Yet, they have

Re: here comes a nuclear Iran

2011-06-09 Thread Judah McAuley
I think that Pakistan and India set the bar for crazy + nukes. They really really don't like each other and have fought 3 wars against one another. The development of nuclear weapons by India and Pakistan was really launched because of the last war in 1971. They still seem like the most likely can

Re: here comes a nuclear Iran

2011-06-09 Thread Scott Stroz
I understand your point. But, in my opinion, no one else who has nuclear weapons is half as crazy as the guys running Iran seem to be. They seem to be a special kind of crazy - a kind of crazy that makes them unpredictable - a kind of crazy that would make me concerned if they had nuclear weapo

Re: here comes a nuclear Iran

2011-06-09 Thread Medic
I think ultimately my point is that since the ww2 no one, except the good guys, has been crazy enough to attempt nuking someone. Chances are very likely, regardless of what has been said or what chest puffery has occurred, that no one will. M.U.B.S. shouldn't dictate foreign policy. On Thu, Jun 9

Re: here comes a nuclear Iran

2011-06-09 Thread Scott Stroz
Who says I am not? But, I should be more clear - let's say 'actions and words by those currently in power' - yes, we used nuclear weapons, but it was over 60 years ago. These comments about Israel have been made by those currently in power in Iran. On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 2:01 PM, Medic wrote:

Re: here comes a nuclear Iran

2011-06-09 Thread Medic
I understand your concern, but if you extend your logic of "based on previous actions" then shouldn't you be living in fear that the United States will start a nuclear war? On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 8:14 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 6:51 AM, Michael Grant wrote: > > > > Ther

Re: here comes a nuclear Iran

2011-06-09 Thread Scott Stroz
09, 2011 08:08 AM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: here comes a nuclear Iran > > > "I would like to think Iran would not use a nuclear weapon against Israel > (or any other country)." > > Maybe the biggest and only deterrent: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Op

RE: here comes a nuclear Iran

2011-06-09 Thread Eric Roberts
CIA Believed...LOL...we gave them to Israel. If Iran has them, at least there will be a power there to keep Israel in check. -Original Message- From: Jerry Barnes [mailto:critic...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 08:08 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: here comes a nuclear

Re: here comes a nuclear Iran

2011-06-09 Thread Jerry Barnes
"I would like to think Iran would not use a nuclear weapon against Israel (or any other country)." Maybe the biggest and only deterrent: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option Excerpt: The Samson Option is a term used to describe Israel’s alleged deterrence strategy of massive retaliation wi

RE: here comes a nuclear Iran

2011-06-09 Thread Eric Roberts
Yes they do...they can trace the origin of the fissionable material. Eric -Original Message- From: Gruss Gott [mailto:grussg...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 11:50 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: here comes a nuclear Iran Greg Morphis wrote: > > I also thin

Re: here comes a nuclear Iran

2011-06-09 Thread Scott Stroz
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 6:51 AM, Michael Grant wrote: > > There is indeed a difference. However the similarity (IMHO) is the neither > will be using nuclear weapons to wipe a country off the map. > > Sent from my iPhone. I would like to think Iran would not use a nuclear weapon against Israel (

Re: here comes a nuclear Iran

2011-06-09 Thread Michael Grant
There is indeed a difference. However the similarity (IMHO) is the neither will be using nuclear weapons to wipe a country off the map. Sent from my iPhone. On 2011-06-08, at 6:04 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > Did not mean to imply they hold a monopoly on saying stupid shit about > wiping coun

Re: here comes a nuclear Iran

2011-06-08 Thread Gruss Gott
Greg Morphis wrote: > > I also think them knowing that our policy is to use nukes if us or our > allies are nuked **should** dissuade them from using their nukes. > Plus the fact that Israel is armed helps.. > Them having 1 nuke verses the ~10,000 that US and Israel collectively > have... well it

RE: here comes a nuclear Iran

2011-06-08 Thread Eric Roberts
Not quite as easy as fox would lead you to believe... -Original Message- From: Jerry Barnes [mailto:critic...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 06:47 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: here comes a nuclear Iran "On the other hand, Pakistan and India have been at loggerheads

Re: here comes a nuclear Iran

2011-06-08 Thread Jerry Barnes
"On the other hand, Pakistan and India have been at loggerheads (and active war in many cases) for decades with the ability to wipe each other off the map through nuclear annihilation and they haven't done it." That's true. There does seem to be a "Mexican" standoff between the third world nucle

Re: here comes a nuclear Iran

2011-06-08 Thread Judah McAuley
Depends on whether the random guy in a bar has tactical nukes. If the NRA gets its way... On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 3:04 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > Did not mean to imply they hold a monopoly on saying stupid shit about > wiping countries off the map, but I think there is a huge difference > between

Re: here comes a nuclear Iran

2011-06-08 Thread Scott Stroz
Did not mean to imply they hold a monopoly on saying stupid shit about wiping countries off the map, but I think there is a huge difference between some random guy in a bar saying it and the president of a country saying it. On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 5:16 PM, Medic wrote: > >> >> 'Israel should be

Re: here comes a nuclear Iran

2011-06-08 Thread Medic
> > 'Israel should be wiped off the map' Meh. I remember I was sitting in the Fox Sports lounge in the Detroit airport having a frothy one waiting for a flight not long after the Iraq war started. I struck up a convo with a nice guy after asking for a light for my cigarette. We started talking a

Re: here comes a nuclear Iran

2011-06-08 Thread Judah McAuley
On the other hand, Pakistan and India have been at loggerheads (and active war in many cases) for decades with the ability to wipe each other off the map through nuclear annihilation and they haven't done it. Am I comfortable with it? No. But current data suggests that the actual use of nuclear w

Re: here comes a nuclear Iran

2011-06-08 Thread Greg Morphis
I also think them knowing that our policy is to use nukes if us or our allies are nuked **should** dissuade them from using their nukes. Plus the fact that Israel is armed helps.. Them having 1 nuke verses the ~10,000 that US and Israel collectively have... well it would dissuade me. But then agai

Re: here comes a nuclear Iran

2011-06-08 Thread Gruss Gott
Scott Stroz wrote: > > I am not so sure Iran will 'destroy the world, but when one of its > leaders makes comments similar to 'Israel should be wiped off the > map', it makes me pause and think if Iran having nuclear weapons is > really a good idea. > eh, people say stuff. I think Japan helped

Re: here comes a nuclear Iran

2011-06-08 Thread Scott Stroz
I am not so sure Iran will 'destroy the world, but when one of its leaders makes comments similar to 'Israel should be wiped off the map', it makes me pause and think if Iran having nuclear weapons is really a good idea. On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 10:27 AM, G Money wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at

Re: here comes a nuclear Iran

2011-06-08 Thread G Money
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 7:42 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > Michael Grant wrote: > > > > + lots > > > > I gotta go with G-Money. It's all good. > Oh it's not good...its just not as apocalyptic as many would have us believe. Be wary when someone tells you: "We HAVE to do X or Country Y may destroy

Re: here comes a nuclear Iran

2011-06-07 Thread Gruss Gott
Michael Grant wrote: > > + lots > I gotta go with G-Money. It's all good. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.hous

Re: here comes a nuclear Iran

2011-06-07 Thread Michael Grant
+ lots Sent from my iPhone. On 2011-06-06, at 3:11 PM, G Money wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 1:59 PM, C. Hatton Humphrey wrote: > >> >> For the world's sake, I hope and pray that you are right. Sadly, I >> don't think you are. >> > > Yeah i know. Mention the work "nukes" and everyo

Re: here comes a nuclear Iran

2011-06-06 Thread Jerry Barnes
"So what happens next, folks?" Bad things. Very bad things. J - Ninety percent of politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation. - Henry Kissinger Politicians are people who, when they see light at the end of the tunnel, go out and buy some more tunnel. - John Quinton ~~~

Re: here comes a nuclear Iran

2011-06-06 Thread G Money
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 1:59 PM, C. Hatton Humphrey wrote: > > For the world's sake, I hope and pray that you are right. Sadly, I > don't think you are. > Yeah i know. Mention the work "nukes" and everyone flips out like its 1962 all over again. Look, is it good that Iran got nukes (or will get

Re: here comes a nuclear Iran

2011-06-06 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
>> So what happens next, folks? > > Nothing. > > Absolutely nothing. > > This is a big "so what" For the world's sake, I hope and pray that you are right. Sadly, I don't think you are. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology no

Re: here comes a nuclear Iran

2011-06-06 Thread G Money
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Robert Munn wrote: > > According to a RAND Corp researcher, Iran can produce a bomb within two > months: > > http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4078778,00.html > > So what happens next, folks? > Nothing. Absolutely nothing. This is a big "so what"