Re: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-28 Thread Gruss Gott
> tBone wrote: > You civilian types are supposed to be keeping us on a chain some place well > fed on scraps :) > :: feeds steak :: Holy crap! Where's that clear headed thinking been in the pentagon?? That type is executive framework is the exact type of thing I'd like to see. It seems to me

Re: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-28 Thread Gruss Gott
> tBone wrote: > He means in the context of how to handle how we move forward, and you know > it. > He said: "When was the last time you actually stood face to face with an Iraqi who remembers quite vividly what life was like during the Saddam era?" I said: it's great to want to help folk n all b

RE: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-28 Thread Loathe
uss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 2:12 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Ship Of Fools > > > tBone wrote: > > How so? > > > > I'm not calling for a ban on islamists, I'm not saying they > shouldn&#x

RE: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-28 Thread Loathe
He means in the context of how to handle how we move forward, and you know it. > -Original Message- > From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 2:01 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Ship Of Fools > > > Bruce wrote: >

Re: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-28 Thread Gruss Gott
> tBone wrote: > How so? > > I'm not calling for a ban on islamists, I'm not saying they shouldn't be > allowed here. > > I know for a fact that I have a deep and personal prejudice against muslims. > I make adjustments for it when I catch myself. > > That being said, I think that religion is the

Re: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-28 Thread Gruss Gott
> Bruce wrote: > Your point is moot though. We are here, have been here a while, and will be > here for a little while more. Talking about the why's and how's we are here > is as pointless Pointless if we don't want our children (and us) to learn 3 VERY important lessons: 1.) Don't elect dumbfuck

RE: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-28 Thread Loathe
cf-community > Subject: RE: Ship Of Fools > > Ok, you're skirting the issue though. > > -Original message- > From: "Loathe" [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 10:16:49 -0500 > To: cf-community cf-community@houseoffusion.com > Subject:

RE: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-28 Thread Michael Grant
Ok, you're skirting the issue though. -Original message- From: "Loathe" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 10:16:49 -0500 To: cf-community cf-community@houseoffusion.com Subject: RE: Ship Of Fools > I'm not a Christian, I'm against any and all at

RE: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-28 Thread Loathe
I'm not a Christian, I'm against any and all attempts to mix government and religion. > -Original Message- > From: Michael Grant [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 9:02 AM > To: cf-community > Subject: RE: Ship Of Fools > > I&#

Re: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-28 Thread Dana
evers. > > All of these are facts. > >> -Original Message- >> From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 8:43 PM >> To: cf-community >> Subject: Re: Ship Of Fools >> >> um. why >> >> On Mon, Nov

RE: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-28 Thread Michael Grant
I'm not an expert but where in the bible does it allow for democracy and republicanism? Doesn't the Bible also heavily frown on non-believers? Something about believing in false gods? It kind of seems to me you are trying to draw a parallel between the Koran and the US constitution. I think if y

RE: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-28 Thread Loathe
er 27, 2008 8:43 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Ship Of Fools > > um. why > > On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 12:43 PM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Have you ever read the Koran, most Muslims that are true to their > > faith would have to be

Re: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-27 Thread Dana
.] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 2:40 PM >> To: cf-community >> Subject: Re: Ship Of Fools >> >> "America no longer being seen as the enemy." >> >> Whha? This past five years has forced just about all >> muslims

RE: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-26 Thread Loathe
- > From: Scott Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 9:56 AM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Ship Of Fools > > It's not that it's sooo wrong... > > But it's so hypocritical to criticize the US, when you're > armin

Re: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-26 Thread Scott Stewart
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 2:41 AM >> To: cf-community >> Subject: Re: Ship Of Fools >> >> Your point is moot though. We are here, have been here a >> while, and will be here for a little while more. Talking >> about the why's and how's we are

RE: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-26 Thread Loathe
gt; Subject: Re: Ship Of Fools > > Your point is moot though. We are here, have been here a > while, and will be here for a little while more. Talking > about the why's and how's we are here is as pointless as > reparations for far off decendants of slavery. What's

Re: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-26 Thread Michael Grant
> I wasn't a fan of the decision to go into Iraq, we had world wide > support for the Afghanistan war, we should have stayed there and > finished that mission. > While Saddam was a douchebag, he was a douchebag who's strings we could > pull pretty easily. There were a thousand other ways that Sa

Re: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-26 Thread Scott Stewart
It's not that it's sooo wrong... But it's so hypocritical to criticize the US, when you're arming the very same people. I wasn't a fan of the decision to go into Iraq, we had world wide support for the Afghanistan war, we should have stayed there and finished that mission. While Saddam was

Re: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-26 Thread Michael Grant
> Oh yeah, how soon people forget. I was actually going to hold onto that > until later, but you beat me to it scott. heh. > > On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 11:11 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: > > > Lets not forget about the millions that Germany was raking in, building > > Saddam's bomb shelters and the bi

Re: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-25 Thread Bruce Sorge
Oh yeah, how soon people forget. I was actually going to hold onto that until later, but you beat me to it scott. heh. On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 11:11 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: > Lets not forget about the millions that Germany was raking in, building > Saddam's bomb shelters and the billions that Fr

Re: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-25 Thread Bruce Sorge
Your point is moot though. We are here, have been here a while, and will be here for a little while more. Talking about the why's and how's we are here is as pointless as reparations for far off decendants of slavery. What's done is done. Move forward. Speaking of Africa, does anyone on this list

Re: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-25 Thread Gruss Gott
> Bruce wrote: > You really believe that? When was the last time you actually stood face to > face with an Iraqi who remembers quite vividly what life was like during the > Saddam era? I'm all for helping people but the truth is we can't help everyone and I don't see any reason why Iraqis should b

Re: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-25 Thread Scott Stewart
MAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 9:30 AM >> To: cf-community >> Subject: RE: Ship Of Fools >> >> War Crime: >> >> Crimes committed against an enemy, prisoners of war, or >> subjects in wartime that violate international agreements o

RE: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-25 Thread Loathe
Modus I.S.] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 9:30 AM > To: cf-community > Subject: RE: Ship Of Fools > > War Crime: > > Crimes committed against an enemy, prisoners of war, or > subjects in wartime that violate international agreements or,

RE: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-25 Thread Michael Grant [Modus I.S.]
> That's just it though man, our opinions don't matter. Of course your opinions matter. The fact that not everyone shares them is no reason to sulk. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release t

RE: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-25 Thread Michael Grant [Modus I.S.]
War Crime: Crimes committed against an enemy, prisoners of war, or subjects in wartime that violate international agreements or, as in the case of genocide, are offenses against humanity. Acts committed by soldiers or government officials, either in the course of a war or in bringing on a war,

RE: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-25 Thread Loathe
ROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 9:17 AM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Ship Of Fools > > > When was the last time you actually stood face to face with > an Iraqi > > who remembers quite vividly what life was like during the > Saddam era? > > Admitted

Re: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-25 Thread Michael Grant [Modus I.S.]
> When was the last time you actually stood face to > face with an Iraqi who remembers quite vividly what life was like during the > Saddam era? Admittedly never. However I don't think you need to be on the front lines to be knowledgeable about the invasion of Iraq. > Anyway, they don't paint a

RE: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-25 Thread Loathe
cf-community > Subject: Re: Ship Of Fools > > On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 7:50 AM, Michael Grant [Modus I.S.] > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > wrote: > > > >refusing to meet the terms of his surrender, > > as unlawfully (and arbitrarily) dictated by the US government

RE: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-25 Thread Loathe
, November 25, 2008 8:50 AM > To: cf-community > Subject: RE: Ship Of Fools > > > Firing on our aircraft, > I hope you aren't referring to this? > http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B0DE3DC173FF93 2A25753C1A9679C8B63 > > >refusing to meet the terms o

Re: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-25 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
>> Firing on our aircraft, > I hope you aren't referring to this? > http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B0DE3DC173FF932A25753C1A9679C8B63 Actually I can provide personal evidence of this - I served on the USS George Washington during Northern Watch and had first-hand accounts of SAM an

Re: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-25 Thread G Money
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 7:50 AM, Michael Grant [Modus I.S.] <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > >refusing to meet the terms of his surrender, > as unlawfully (and arbitrarily) dictated by the US government. > What was unlawful or arbitrary about the terms of surrender that the government of Iraq a

Re: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-25 Thread G Money
rea studies. Never mind the time > dealing with the Arab street. > > We should just surrender now and get it over with. > > > -Original Message- > > From: Bruce Sorge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 2:21 AM > > To: cf-c

RE: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-25 Thread Michael Grant [Modus I.S.]
> Firing on our aircraft, I hope you aren't referring to this? http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B0DE3DC173FF932A25753C1A9679C8B63 >refusing to meet the terms of his surrender, as unlawfully (and arbitrarily) dictated by the US government. > attempting to kill a former presid

RE: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-25 Thread Loathe
n, area studies. Never mind the time dealing with the Arab street. We should just surrender now and get it over with. > -Original Message- > From: Bruce Sorge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 2:21 AM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Ship Of Fool

RE: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-25 Thread Loathe
It's not a fire obviously. > -Original Message- > From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 8:07 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Ship Of Fools > > Got to say I cannot think of many statements I disagree with it more.

Re: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-24 Thread Bruce Sorge
You really believe that? When was the last time you actually stood face to face with an Iraqi who remembers quite vividly what life was like during the Saddam era? I am fortunate that I get this opportunity almost every day. And I am not talking about the average Joe on the street. I also have the

Re: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-24 Thread Jerry Johnson
Got to say I cannot think of many statements I disagree with it more. It is like saying "we lost 5 firefighters in that building fighting that fire. Send in all the rest." On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 6:10 PM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > When you commit troops to combat you should be making

Re: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-24 Thread Sam
You're still praying for failure! Obama won, the Dems won, we don't need failure to get them elected anymore. Snap out of it. On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 3:29 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Invading Iraq is super great idea. That's the wrong statement. BUT > LOOK! While there are plen

Re: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-24 Thread Gruss Gott
> Sam wrote: > Tell me what statements are incorrect and why. > Invading Iraq is super great idea. That's the wrong statement. BUT LOOK! While there are plenty of signs of our coming victory: * 20,000 people Burning Bush in effigy in central Baghdad * Trouble passing the SOFA in the Iraqi Par

Re: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-24 Thread Sam
OK, let's start from the begining: http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/08/who_lied_about_iraq.html Tell me what statements are incorrect and why. On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 12:29 PM, Michael Grant [Modus I.S.] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Fine. If you want to put on your blinders and lock your head

RE: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-24 Thread Loathe
> I'm asking a serious question of you. I'm not being sarcastic. > > Could you explain to me exactly what the military was sent to > Iraq to do, and how we will know when it's done? The invasion of Iraq was to topple the Hussein regime and to break the Baath party in Iraq. Both of these objec

RE: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-24 Thread Loathe
1 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Ship Of Fools > > "If Saddam got 100% of the vote and Bush can't get 100% > support we've failed." > > Who the feck cares how many votes he got? Is a dictator > having rigged elections grounds for an illegal invas

RE: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-24 Thread Loathe
You explained what I was trying to say. > -Original Message- > From: Ian Skinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 2:54 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Ship Of Fools > > Loathe wrote: > > That being said I still say we brok

Re: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-24 Thread Maureen
I'm asking a serious question of you. I'm not being sarcastic. Could you explain to me exactly what the military was sent to Iraq to do, and how we will know when it's done? Also, if why doesn't matter, do you think it is ok for a leader to deploy troops under false pretenses? Is "we broke it,

Re: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-24 Thread Michael Grant [Modus I.S.]
Fine. If you want to put on your blinders and lock your head into the forward facing position, completely disregarding the events that lead to the situation... then the U.S. is winning like crazy. Double plus winning. If you compare the Iraq of say January 2007 to now, hell the U.S. is a Godsend

Re: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-24 Thread Michael Grant [Modus I.S.]
> > 2. How does one qualify "winning" when you've set back American foreign > > policy more than 50 years? > > Explain that. Seriously? If I need to explain I'm wasting my breath, or my finger strength as it were. > > 3. How does one qualify "winning" when not even your oldest allies trust >

Re: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-24 Thread Sam
Now we're talking about the initial invasion again? Since you think the US lied and the war was illegal maybe we should start a thread and argue that entire issue over again,or just browse the archives. This thread we're discussing the end of the war not the beginning. I know I'm anal about that

Re: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-24 Thread Michael Grant [Modus I.S.]
> Are you arguing we shouldn't have went in, shouldn't win or can't win? > Or all of the above? 1. Shouldn't have gone in. 2. How does one qualify "winning" when you've set back American foreign policy more than 50 years? 3. How does one qualify "winning" when not even your oldest allies trust yo

Re: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-24 Thread Sam
I didn't say it was OK. You used her as an example to discount my claim that America wasn't the enemy. She wasn't targeting Americans. On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Ian Skinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sam wrote: >> She wasn't targeting Americans. > > I'm glad that makes it ok for you. ~~

Re: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-24 Thread Sam
Not trying to destroy us. On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 11:55 AM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Sam wrote: >> Are you arguing we shouldn't have went in, shouldn't win or can't win? >> Or all of the above? >> >> > > Define "win". > ~

Re: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-24 Thread Sam
Are we talking about the world or just Iraq? Michael Yon was talking about Iraq On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 11:40 AM, Michael Grant [Modus I.S.] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "America no longer being seen as the enemy." > > Whha? This past five years has forced just about all muslims to see > Amer

Re: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-24 Thread Sam
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Michael Grant [Modus I.S.] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Are you arguing we shouldn't have went in, shouldn't win or can't win? >> Or all of the above? I'm trying to get you to focus. If I say we might be winning, you say we shouldn't have fought. Then the discus

Re: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-24 Thread Michael Grant [Modus I.S.]
> And that great leader always received 100% of the vote. Why'd we have > to ruin such a good thing? Ask an Iraqi to compare his quality of life in 2002 to his quality of life in 2008. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the m

RE: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-24 Thread Loathe
on. That being said I still say we broke it, we bought. You spend American blood and you don't leave till you win. > -Original Message- > From: Michael Grant [Modus I.S.] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 2:35 PM > To: cf-community > Subje

Re: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-24 Thread Michael Grant [Modus I.S.]
"If Saddam got 100% of the vote and Bush can't get 100% support we've failed." Who the feck cares how many votes he got? Is a dictator having rigged elections grounds for an illegal invasion of a sovereign nation and member of the United Nations? ~~

Re: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-24 Thread Ian Skinner
Sam wrote: > She wasn't targeting Americans. I'm glad that makes it ok for you. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;2

Re: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-24 Thread Sam
I don't know any. Can you ask? On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 11:42 AM, Michael Grant [Modus I.S.] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> And that great leader always received 100% of the vote. Why'd we have >> to ruin such a good thing? > > Ask an Iraqi to compare his quality of life in 2002 to his quality of li

Re: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-24 Thread Sam
If Saddam got 100% of the vote and Bush can't get 100% support we've failed. On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 11:44 AM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Michael wrote: >> "America no longer being seen as the enemy." >> >> Whha? This past five years has forced just about all muslims to see >> A

Re: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-24 Thread Gruss Gott
> Sam wrote: > Are you arguing we shouldn't have went in, shouldn't win or can't win? > Or all of the above? > > Define "win". ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Tr

Re: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-24 Thread Ian Skinner
Loathe wrote: > That being said I still say we broke it, we bought. You spend American > blood and you don't leave till you win. > +8 <-- how do you turn that sideways? > Why doesn't matter anymore, it's part of history. If I knew then > what I know now I wouldn't have supported the invasio

Re: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-24 Thread Gruss Gott
> gg wrote: >> tBone wrote: >> That being said I still say we broke it, we bought. You spend American >> blood and you don't leave till you win. >> > BTW - Iraq may kick us out anyway: http://baghdadbureau.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/24/analysis-on-the-spot-sofa-from-inside-parliament/ The Status

Re: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-24 Thread Sam
She wasn't targeting Americans. On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 11:43 AM, Ian Skinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sam wrote: >> This isn't an official government position, it's an op-ed about the >> America no longer being seen as the enemy. > Suicide bomber targets Green Zone entrance > http://apnews.my

Re: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-24 Thread Sam
Are you arguing we shouldn't have went in, shouldn't win or can't win? Or all of the above? On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Michael Grant [Modus I.S.] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Right, but if you go back BEFORE the sacrifices and ask yourself did they > need to be made? Iraq was never a thre

RE: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-24 Thread Michael Grant [Modus I.S.]
Absolutely, no one is blaming the soldiers. This isn't Vietnam. All the soldiers are just doing their jobs. "Why doesn't matter anymore" Certainly it does. The U.S. government lied to the whole world. They looked their allies in the eye and forced them into this lie with the "you're with us or

Re: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-24 Thread Gruss Gott
> tBone wrote: > That being said I still say we broke it, we bought. You spend American > blood and you don't leave till you win. > We won, Hussein's dead, and we're out of money. So stay if you want, but it's on your own nickel. We've got the sheet hittin the fan in America and we can't afford

Re: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-24 Thread Gruss Gott
> Michael wrote: > "America no longer being seen as the enemy." > > Whha? This past five years has forced just about all muslims to see > America as the enemy. It's turned thousands of normal muslims into radicals. > BAGHDAD — Chanting "no to America," supporters of a radical Shiite cleric bu

Re: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-24 Thread Ian Skinner
Sam wrote: > This isn't an official government position, it's an op-ed about the > America no longer being seen as the enemy. Suicide bomber targets Green Zone entrance http://apnews.myway.com/article/20081124/D94LG1G00.html Must have been a friendly suicide bomber. I don't disagree that progress

RE: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-24 Thread Loathe
Have you ever read the Koran, most Muslims that are true to their faith would have to be enemies of this nation. > -Original Message- > From: Michael Grant [Modus I.S.] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 2:40 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re

Re: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-24 Thread Michael Grant [Modus I.S.]
"America no longer being seen as the enemy." Whha? This past five years has forced just about all muslims to see America as the enemy. It's turned thousands of normal muslims into radicals. *shakes head* How can you not see this? ~~

Re: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-24 Thread Sam
And that great leader always received 100% of the vote. Why'd we have to ruin such a good thing? On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 11:30 AM, Michael Grant [Modus I.S.] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It was extremely stable pre 2003. Good health care, safe streets, good > infrastructure. And all run by a guy

Re: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-24 Thread Michael Grant [Modus I.S.]
Right, but if you go back BEFORE the sacrifices and ask yourself did they need to be made? Iraq was never a threat to western civilization. They were a trade partner of the U.S. like another country, what's it's name. Ah yes, Saudi Arabia... now they are the ones that pose(ed) a real threat yet

RE: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-24 Thread Michael Grant [Modus I.S.]
Here's the only facts I need: Number of American soldiers killed by Iraqi's from 1992 to 2002: 0 Number of American soldiers killed by Iraqi's from 2003 to current: 4204 Number of WMD's found: 0 ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8

Re: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-24 Thread Sam
This isn't an official government position, it's an op-ed about the America no longer being seen as the enemy. Just like we're still in Germany. On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Ian Skinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sam wrote: >> THE Iraq War is over... >> > November 24, 2008 > > Mission Acco

Re: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-24 Thread Gruss Gott
> tBone wrote: > Most of the troops I know would rather stay and make the sacrifices we made > in these places mean something. > They'll have to pay for it themselves then. The warchest is empty. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software

RE: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-24 Thread Michael Grant [Modus I.S.]
It was extremely stable pre 2003. Good health care, safe streets, good infrastructure. And all run by a guy the U.S. hoisted to power many moons ago. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release t

Re: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-24 Thread Gruss Gott
> tBone wrote: > I'm closed minded about some issues like that too. > Like Iraq? Look, America is not good at Imperialism and that's fine because we don't like it. Iraq is an imperialist effort. It ceased being about WMD years ago. Take India for example. The Brits can look back on that as a

RE: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-24 Thread Loathe
[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 2:18 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: RE: Ship Of Fools > > Disclaimer: Don't interpret this as not supporting troops. > The best way to support troo

RE: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-24 Thread Loathe
- > From: Michael Grant [Modus I.S.] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 2:15 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: RE: Ship Of Fools > > Here's the only facts I need: > > Number of American soldiers killed by Iraqi's from 1992 to > 2002: 0 N

RE: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-24 Thread Michael Grant [Modus I.S.]
Disclaimer: Don't interpret this as not supporting troops. The best way to support troops is to not send them to war. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http:

Re: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-24 Thread Ian Skinner
Sam wrote: > THE Iraq War is over... > November 24, 2008 Mission Accomplished May 1, 2003 In another 5 years or two, these might actually be true. While lots of progress has been made, suddenly claiming it is all done in the middle does not really engender a lot of optimism. At least not fr

RE: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-24 Thread Loathe
hael Grant [Modus I.S.] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 1:54 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Ship Of Fools > > When you use words like "victory" in the same sentence as > "Iraq war&q

Re: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-24 Thread Michael Grant [Modus I.S.]
When you use words like "victory" in the same sentence as "Iraq war" all hope for intelligent conversation was already lost. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Tria

Re: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-24 Thread Gruss Gott
> JJ wrote: > So THAT'S where Cheney has been > Dude - all kidding aside - I've SEEN Cheney's bomb shelter. Well, the island and building on the island where it is: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Spieden+Island+washington&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=33.626896,60.820313&ie=UTF8&

Re: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-24 Thread Michael Grant [Modus I.S.]
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Re: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-24 Thread Gruss Gott
> Sam wrote: > hitting the bottle kinda early today? > Just staying up late. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;294400

Re: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-24 Thread Sam
hitting the bottle kinda early today? On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 10:37 AM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Michael wrote: >> I trust your rose colored glasses serve you well in these tough times. >> > > He had to chuck those years ago when reality disintegrated the lenses. > > Now it's reall

Re: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-24 Thread Sam
There goes all hope for an intelligent discussion, you fit right in here. On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 10:26 AM, Michael Grant [Modus I.S.] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> No joke. >> >> IRAQ'S NEW DAWN >> VICTORY ACROSS THE BOARD MICHAEL YON >> >> THE Iraq War is over... > > > I trust your rose colored

Re: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-24 Thread Gruss Gott
> cHat wrote: > I'll hold judgment until we hear about this from Bruce Why? Reality, facts, and logic have never been part of Bush's decision-making process in going in or conducting the war and they're not going to part of us leaving. So what you really have to do code up a patriotic word sente

Re: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-24 Thread Michael Grant [Modus I.S.]
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Re: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-24 Thread Jerry Johnson
So THAT'S where Cheney has been On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 1:37 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > And then, of course, living in a rose colored bomb shelter encased in > 10 feet of rose colored concrete with only Rush for word from the > outside world. > ~~~

Re: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-24 Thread Gruss Gott
> Michael wrote: > I trust your rose colored glasses serve you well in these tough times. > He had to chuck those years ago when reality disintegrated the lenses. Now it's really more of full rose colored body sock, and then on top is a tin foil lined rose helmut type of setup with a full lexan 2

Re: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-24 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
>> IRAQ'S NEW DAWN >> VICTORY ACROSS THE BOARD MICHAEL YON >> >> THE Iraq War is over... > > I trust your rose colored glasses serve you well in these tough times. I'll hold judgment until we hear about this from Bruce... actually, his latest post included this following text: "I am not sure what

Re: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-24 Thread Michael Grant [Modus I.S.]
> No joke. > > IRAQ'S NEW DAWN > VICTORY ACROSS THE BOARD MICHAEL YON > > THE Iraq War is over... I trust your rose colored glasses serve you well in these tough times. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important

Re: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-24 Thread Sam
No joke. IRAQ'S NEW DAWN VICTORY ACROSS THE BOARD MICHAEL YON THE Iraq War is over... http://www.nypost.com/seven/11242008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/iraqs_new_dawn_140418.htm?page=0 On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Michael Grant [Modus IS] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Isn't the Iraq war just

Re: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-22 Thread Dana
::munches popcorn::: On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 9:59 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Michael wrote: >> "Isn't the Iraq war just about finished? Wow that's a great achievement >> that will do Bush well in the history books." >> >> You're joking right? >> > > No he's not. Meet Sam. > >

Re: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-21 Thread Gruss Gott
> Michael wrote: > "Isn't the Iraq war just about finished? Wow that's a great achievement > that will do Bush well in the history books." > > You're joking right? > No he's not. Meet Sam. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is t

RE: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-21 Thread Michael Grant [Modus IS]
"Isn't the Iraq war just about finished? Wow that's a great achievement that will do Bush well in the history books." You're joking right? -Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 6:50 PM To: cf-community Subject:

Re: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-21 Thread Sam
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 3:22 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes but you Bushies make it hard to be worse than you. Left-over > wars? check. Isn't the Iraq war just about finished? Wow that's a great achievement that will do Bush well in the history books. > Destroyed economy? check

Re: Ship Of Fools

2008-11-21 Thread Gruss Gott
> Sam wrote: > The loony lefties need to get over the "we're better than them" > syndrome. Yes but you Bushies make it hard to be worse than you. Left-over wars? check. Destroyed economy? check. You've so thoroughly fecked up the country, just about anybody is better than you. But that aside,

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