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Yeah I would because they asshole bragged about it on video. . On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > Had this been the Bush administration, you wouldn't have even known that he > was visiting the White House because the Bush administration claimed > executive privilege and h

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13:58 To: cf-community Subject: Re: So this Wisconsin Thing Trumka? Isn't that the guy that says he talks to the White House every day and visits a couple of times a week? Gotta love transparency. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2011/02/joe-biden-richard-trumka- afl-cio-white-h

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Trumka? Isn't that the guy that says he talks to the White House every day and visits a couple of times a week? Gotta love transparency. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2011/02/joe-biden-richard-trumka-afl-cio-white-house-.html The battle against unions in the Midwest escalated W

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cans and amount donated to dems and that listed 3 for dems and 7 for republicans. This list seems irrelevant to the argument. -Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 11:29 To: cf-community Subject: Re: So this Wisconsin Thing Not

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I think the video I posted yesterday about Walker has the list. I will see if I can find the list to show... -Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 11:29 To: cf-community Subject: Re: So this Wisconsin Thing Not sure wtf you&#x

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Not sure wtf you're talking about but if you would have followed the link you would have gone here: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/02/23/rachel-maddow-lies-leno-about-republican-political-contributions So to re-cap: Maddow Lied and Shep repeated it. Since she made up her facts,

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stating by stating it wasn't about a fiscal crisis and it was about union busting. That was a pretty incongruous stance. -Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 09:05 To: cf-community Subject: Re: So this Wisconsin Thing Hmmm looks

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Hmmm looks like Fox news is prone to poor reporting http://johnnydollar.us/files/110223shep.php . On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > I know many of you don't like Rachel Maddow, so feel free to research the > info presented and post anything you may find that contra

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Correction...that was the Deputy Attorney General of Indiana, not Wisconsin... http://www.fox59.com/news/wxin-jeffrey-cox-indiana-deputy-attorney-general-l oses-job-over-tweet-20110223,0,4648882.story ~| Order the Adobe Coldfus

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Judge ordered the state to repay workers that were illegally dismissed. The ruling was that Walker had no cause to replace them. -Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 11:28 To: cf-community Subject: Re: So this Wisconsin Thing

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Or how about the deputy Wisconsin Attorney general advocating the use of live ammunition on protestors? -Original Message- From: Jerry Barnes [mailto:critic...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 11:05 To: cf-community Subject: Re: So this Wisconsin Thing Democrat urges

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And in another move that is going to infuriate the unions: Providence plans to pink slip all teachers Excerpt: PROVIDENCE — The school district plans to send out dismissal notices to every one of it

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On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 10:57 AM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > Call me pessimistic, but think there are very few board members who > feel "duty-bound" to do anything other than collect their check. > > As long as the CEO is bringing home the bacon, everyone wants to keep the party going. I worked for

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This whole concept has always seemed insane. It makes no practical sense. I meant that it's the boards that pay the CEOs and decide if that CEO is doing a good job. Unfortunately, many times the board is appointed by the CEO. Showing up 4 times a year to collect $250K+/yr is a pretty sweet g

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I meant that it's the boards that pay the CEOs and decide if that CEO is doing a good job. Unfortunately, many times the board is appointed by the CEO. Showing up 4 times a year to collect $250K+/yr is a pretty sweet gig; not a lot of motivation to do work and get involved. Call me pessimistic,

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On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > No...she is one of the most intelligent persons on television. ROFL! > She does > like to be funny in a sophomoric kinda way though. But she's gay so isn't mocking gay behavior a no-no? > The point of the matter > is that he has tried

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And on the subjects of unions, there is a new website called unionrefund.org. Here is the info from the home page: A new way to help American workers keep their working wages free. Under the 1988 Supreme Court decision *Communications Workers of America v. Beck

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Who cares? If Palin didn't say it it isn't worth reporting. . On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > Democrat urges unions to 'get a little bloody when > necessary'

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those illegal actions into law. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/23/scott-walker-buffalo-beast-phone-pr ank_n_827058.html -Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 10:58 To: cf-community Subject: Re: So this Wisconsin Thing She

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Democrat urges unions to 'get a little bloody when necessary' J Excerpt: Rep. Michael Capuano (D-Mass.) fired up a group of union members in Boston with a speech urging the

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She just like saying butt vodka company guys. She's kinda simple don't ya think? . On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > I know many of you don't like Rachel Maddow, so feel free to research the > info presented and post anything you may find that contradicts this...but > s

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e----- > From: Robert Munn [mailto:cfmuns...@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 01:19 > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: So this Wisconsin Thing > > > That's why we need a Constitutional amendment limiting the power of > corporations. > > Let&#

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Oops... -Original Message- From: Ras Tafari [mailto:rastaf...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 20:57 To: cf-community Subject: Re: So this Wisconsin Thing oxycontin. major difference. On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 9:45 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > I and Rush's

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5rrd8 -Original Message- From: Robert Munn [mailto:cfmuns...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 20:32 To: cf-community Subject: Re: So this Wisconsin Thing The unions are dead, don't lament them. They started as a way for people to protect themselves; they have become just another pri

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Original Message- From: Robert Munn [mailto:cfmuns...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 01:19 To: cf-community Subject: Re: So this Wisconsin Thing That's why we need a Constitutional amendment limiting the power of corporations. Let's step back for a second and conside

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ary 23, 2011 00:32 To: cf-community Subject: Re: So this Wisconsin Thing Boards in the US are duty-bound to maximize profits for shareholders, so they are useless when the issue is off-shoring labor. Says something about the continued success of Germany's manufacturing industry. Their corp

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"(2.) The Unions are agreeing to all give-backs thus negating the finance argument, but not agreeing to give up collective bargaining, which the Gov says is not negotiable." They did not give up concessions originally. Only after the outcome of the battle was clearly visible, did they offer to c

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That's why we need a Constitutional amendment limiting the power of corporations. Let's step back for a second and consider why the current situation is unsustainable, and how the current trajectory of our economy reveals a fatal flaw in our current incarnation of capitalism and free markets. By

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Boards in the US are duty-bound to maximize profits for shareholders, so they are useless when the issue is off-shoring labor. Says something about the continued success of Germany's manufacturing industry. Their corporate boards include employee (labor) representation. On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 8

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Robert Munn wrote: > > The unions are dead, don't lament them. They started as a way for people to > protect themselves; they have become just another private power structure in > our society, intent on maximizing gains for their own members at any cost. > They suck just as much as Wall Street su

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oxycontin. major difference. On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 9:45 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > I and Rush's opinion is something that I would any credence to why?  I > wouldn't believe the oxytocin cowboy if he told me the sky was blue ~~~

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So without unions, all we have is corporations. Better start practicing that goosestep and straight armed salute. -Original Message- From: Robert Munn [mailto:cfmuns...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 20:32 To: cf-community Subject: Re: So this Wisconsin Thing The unions

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> > just as much as big corporate CEOs who are destroying the middle class > suck. > Hear hear. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Arch

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I and Rush's opinion is something that I would any credence to why? I wouldn't believe the oxytocin cowboy if he told me the sky was blue. -Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 19:43 To: cf-community Subject: Re: So this

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The unions are dead, don't lament them. They started as a way for people to protect themselves; they have become just another private power structure in our society, intent on maximizing gains for their own members at any cost. They suck just as much as Wall Street sucks, just as much as big corpo

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"These Democrats in Wisconsin and Indiana (and it'll happen in Ohio, too) are faced with representing their voters or their paymasters. They're siding with their paymasters: Public sector union leaders. That's who they care about." -Rush . On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 2:08 AM, Eric Roberts wrote: >

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esday, February 22, 2011 14:51 To: cf-community Subject: So this Wisconsin Thing It would appear that what's happening in Wisconsin is 2 things: (1.) There's a State revenue crunch thus the Gov is asking for Union give-backs. (but, in fairness, he's also asking for tax cuts and has pus

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That was way different On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Ian Skinner wrote: > > On 2/22/2011 1:35 PM, Sam wrote: >> You're right. It started in 2006 > > Then you must not have a very good memory of the 80's and the 90's. > ~| Or

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On 2/22/2011 1:35 PM, Sam wrote: > You're right. It started in 2006 Then you must not have a very good memory of the 80's and the 90's. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Antholog

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You're right. It started in 2006 . On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 4:28 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > Its been going on for more than 2 years Sammuch longer. > > On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 4:26 PM, Sam wrote: >> >> To think that it all happened in just two short years. >> ~~

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Its been going on for more than 2 years Sammuch longer. On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 4:26 PM, Sam wrote: > > To think that it all happened in just two short years. > > . > > On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson wrote: >> >> yes, union busting is happening. >> >> but more than

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To think that it all happened in just two short years. . On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson wrote: > > yes, union busting is happening. > > but more than that, i think we are truly the death of our form of > government. > > there is absolutely no desire to "work together" anymo

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On 2/22/2011 1:07 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > I could not agree more. It seems like politicians (hell, everyone > really) think that 'compromise' means beating down your opponent until > they agree to your terms. Something I've been lamenting for a couple of decades now. ~~~

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also, i think egypt's recent news has REALLY sparked the idea in people's head's that maybe revolutions, and standing up for what you believe in, MAY ACTUALLY work in our new world. just maybe. On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 4:05 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > I know I will get crucified for this, but, yo

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I could not agree more. It seems like politicians (hell, everyone really) think that 'compromise' means beating down your opponent until they agree to your terms. On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson wrote: > but more than that, i think we are truly the death of our form of > gov

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I know I will get crucified for this, but, you asked. I think unions have outlived their usefulness. There was a time when unions where necessary in this country, but I think that time has long since passed. And keep in mind, my father was in a union my entire life until he retired. On Tue, Feb

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yes, union busting is happening. but more than that, i think we are truly the death of our form of government. there is absolutely no desire to "work together" anymore. any majority is now considered a 100% mandate to get away with anything and everything a given party wants, and to get it done

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It would appear that what's happening in Wisconsin is 2 things: (1.) There's a State revenue crunch thus the Gov is asking for Union give-backs. (but, in fairness, he's also asking for tax cuts and has pushed through corp tax cuts) (2.) The Unions are agreeing to all give-backs thus negating the