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I have a feeling the French may just end up world champions this time,
England seem to have peaked too early and Australia/NZ don't look that
convincing either.
The six nations is going to be VERY interesting...
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t: 11 November 2003 10:25
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the first half you played muuc better than England, we'd have been
stuffed
if it wasn't for johnny wilkinson
be really interesting to see how they do against the french, i REALLY
hope
they don'
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We did give England a real scare - and if our kicker hadn't been having
one of his regular off days who knows what the result might have been :)
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liday Inn...
recovered from the rubgy yet? ;)
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Wow, now that was a delayed post!
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recovered from the rubgy yet? ;)
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Wow, now that was a delayed post!
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Wow, now that was a delayed post!
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The worst thing about point 2 is that he was deported to a country which
is known to use torture
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I think there are two parts to this story.
1. The US, for whatever reason, decided to detain and question him. Yes
there were a@@holes about it but, most of the tactics taken are by the
book interrigation pratices.
2. He was exported to Syria either by
If you grew up in Minnesota, then that gives you a buy.
As for how people north of Lake Superior do it -- with panache of course.
larry
At 10:32 PM 11/6/2003, you wrote:
> > From what I remember from my own military days, the US Marines were
> > OK in warm weather - hey-diddle-diddle straight u
> From what I remember from my own military days, the US Marines were
> OK in warm weather - hey-diddle-diddle straight up the middle and all
> that, but they were thorough wimps when the weather got below
> freezing. In one NATO exercise in Norway there were quite a few
> Marines who were invalid
tion(s). Nor have these
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E.O. 12958.
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Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 4:16 PM
To: CF-Community
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Look up where the Northern Angle is on the Minnesota/Ontario/Manitoba
borders. Not fun stuff to go waltzing through.
>length of the border. My assumption that it is possible to traverse the
>border in an unattended area somewhere is far more plausible than your
>assumption that it's not.
>
>- Matt Small
>
>
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> From: Larry C. Lyons
> To
sanctioned by these organizations. This e-mail is
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So what would be ugly
.
larry
>So what would be ugly to an ex-Marine? Is it like Liberace's bathroom?
>
>-Kevin
>
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>Sent: Thursday, No
So what would be ugly to an ex-Marine? Is it like Liberace's bathroom?
-Kevin
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Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: The Damasus
Thursday, November 06, 2003 3:53 PM
> Subject: Re: The Damasus Holiday Inn...
>
> NO I am saying that the vast majority of the border is secured and those
> areas that are not are typically very difficult to walk across. Look at
> the
> border in Northwestern Ontario. That'
> From: Larry C. Lyons
> To: CF-Community
> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 3:53 PM
> Subject: Re: The Damasus Holiday Inn...
>
> NO I am saying that the vast majority of the border is secured and those
> areas that are not are typically very difficult t
I'll pony up the cash You're talking to an ex-Marine here. :-)
Matt Small
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From: Larry C. Lyons
To: CF-Community
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 3:53 PM
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NO I am saying that the vast majority of
ime entry target. Whether or not you
> >believe it that is a matter of personal choice. I'm sure there's
> >documentation on it where it did happen as well your documentation below.
> >
> >- Matthew Small
> >
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> >
rder. My assumption that it is possible to traverse the
>border in an unattended area somewhere is far more plausible than your
>assumption that it's not.
>
>- Matt Small
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
> From: Larry C. Lyons
> To: CF-Community
> Sent: Thu
e it that is a matter of personal choice. I'm sure there's
>documentation on it where it did happen as well your documentation below.
>
>- Matthew Small
>
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> From: Dharmesh Goel
> To: CF-Community
> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 11:49 A
ded area somewhere is far more plausible than your assumption that it's not.
- Matt Small
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From: Larry C. Lyons
To: CF-Community
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 2:32 PM
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The please show this so-called documentation,
. I'm sure there's
>documentation on it where it did happen as well your documentation below.
>
>- Matthew Small
>
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> From: Dharmesh Goel
> To: CF-Community
> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 11:49 AM
> Subject: RE: The Dam
s been approved or sanctioned by these organizations. This e-mail is
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>To: CF-Community
>Subject: RE: The Da
thew Small
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To: CF-Community
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Hi Mathew,
I strongly disagree with
"The publicized fact that is that Middle-Easterners are known to come into th
Heh. We all just copied from Dana's spelling test.
-Kevin
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ing.com) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 3:43 PM
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>
>
>Not sure on that. When I fly from here to Toronto, I stop at customs in
>Toronto. When I fly back, I go though US customs in the Toront
Subject: RE: The Damasus Holiday Inn...
Hi Mathew,
I strongly disagree with
"The publicized fact that is that Middle-Easterners are known to come into
the US via Canada."
This is a case of if a lie is told over and over again, people will start
believing it. The last time I checked, b
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Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 3:43 PM
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Not sure on that. When I fly from here to Toronto, I stop at customs in
Toronto. When I fly back, I go though US customs in the
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The publicized fact that is that Middle-Easterners are known to come into the US via Canada. This is a suspicious situation, plain and simple. I didn't agree with the fact tha
Granted I've not owned a library card in years but I thought all you
needed was a valid picture ID or a piece of mail that showed your
address. At least in the states. It's going a while before I can apply
for a Canadian library card.
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From: dana tierney [mailto:[EMAIL P
So far the story is that there are only two copies of that lease. Arar
has a copy and the landlord has the original. The landlord claims that
no government office supplied a warrant or other legal request for the
document. This was just a rental agreement so I don't see why it would
be public recor
gt;
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>Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 2:56 PM
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>Subject: Re: The Damasus Holiday Inn...
>
>
>I don't remember any Indian terrorists coming here to bomb us. Nor
>Mexican
es to visit me from Canada, she is asked many, many, many
>questions by US Immigraion even though she has a passport and Canadian
>government ID. The only difference is that she flyes instead of
>driving.
>
>~Dan
>
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Dharmesh
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Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 3:41 PM
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I was wondering about the US Detainee camp thing also. One other thing just occured to me - and please correct me if I&#
, November 05, 2003 3:41 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: The Damasus Holiday Inn...
I was wondering about the US Detainee camp thing also. One other thing
just occured to me - and please correct me if I'm wrong - but is it even
necessary to go through US customs if you're not stay
Ah. I was just going from/to Logan. Still, NY and Boston are both tight or
should be.
> Hmmwhat were your destinations? Mine where to top 10 cities or
> Southern Ontario.
>
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> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003
ot crossed referenced with a government list
somewhere.
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Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 3:41 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: The Damasus Holiday Inn...
I was wondering about the US Detainee camp thing also. One other
Just a point. The story's been in the Canadian media for the last year,
giving journalists up there ample time to dig up any links to terrorism
etc. According to the articles in the Globe and Mail and the Toronto Star,
none have been found beyond a slight acquaintance with another Syrian born
C
ven a lawyer at the very
>least. Above all, this is only if you believe everything he has to say.
>
>- Matt Small
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> From: Larry C. Lyons
> To: CF-Community
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 2:33 PM
> Subject: Re: The Dama
Hmmwhat were your destinations? Mine where to top 10 cities or
Southern Ontario.
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Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 2:36 PM
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>And speaking of profiling, an
on country.
- Matt Small
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From: Dan Phillips (CFXHosting.com)
To: CF-Community
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 3:28 PM
Subject: RE: The Damasus Holiday Inn...
That's what I think. So far we only have one side of the story. Even if
this guy is totally
detained
due to racial profiling. The fact that he was not held in a US prison
camp for a long period either made me raise an eyebrow.
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From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 3:20 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: The Dama
Something about the story just seems wrong. Yes, America can treat people
badly but his story just has everything and everything else all at once. I'm
taking it with a grain of salt.
Canada is rather firm with their citizens rights and the like. They would
not just let someone be treated and moved
Yes, but we couldn't stop him at the border.
- Matt Small
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From: Raymond Camden
To: CF-Community
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 3:12 PM
Subject: RE: The Damasus Holiday Inn...
> I don't remember any Indian terrorists coming here to
> I don't remember any Indian terrorists coming here to bomb
> us. Nor Mexicans, Japanese or Russians. There's a stereotype
> of Middle-easterners being terrorists and it's caused by the
> fact that every one of the 911 terrorists was Middle-eastern,
> that 243 Marines were killed in Lebanon,
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I don't remember any Indian terrorists coming here to bomb us. Nor
Mexicans, Japanese or Russians. There's a stereotype of
Middle-easterners being terrorists an
> And speaking of profiling, anytime I fly I get (ahem)
> "randomly searched". After it happened 6 out of 6 times, I
> finally asked. Seems that when a male between the ages of
> 18-45 travels alone, they consider it a "threat". The figure
> a single male has nothing to loose so he may have a s
lieve everything he has to say.
- Matt Small
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From: Larry C. Lyons
To: CF-Community
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: The Damasus Holiday Inn...
Matthew,
Britons and other Europeans also come into the US from Canada. So do
M
"threat". The figure a single male has nothing to loose so he may
have a shoe bomb and such.
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From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 2:36 PM
To: CF-Community
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The ones with
At 01:55 PM 11/5/2003, you wrote:
> > The publicized fact that is that Middle-Easterners are known
> > to come into the US via Canada. This is a suspicious
>
>Did you even read the article? He was NOT going to America. He was going
>to Montreal! He lived there.
>
> > situation, plain and simple.
; for far less, including myself. I'm a young white
>southern male.
>
>- Matt Small
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Raymond Camden
> To: CF-Community
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 12:37 PM
> Subject: RE: The Damasus Holiday Inn...
>
The ones with connections to terrorists? Yes.
- Matt Small
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From: Raymond Camden
To: CF-Community
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 1:55 PM
Subject: RE: The Damasus Holiday Inn...
> The publicized fact that is that Middle-Easterners are kn
> The publicized fact that is that Middle-Easterners are known
> to come into the US via Canada. This is a suspicious
Did you even read the article? He was NOT going to America. He was going
to Montreal! He lived there.
> situation, plain and simple. I didn't agree with the fact
> that he w
He was born there and left it as a teenager. He wasn't flying from
there. In fact, he was scared to death to go there.
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He is not the only one who had that happen to. The friend of Maher Arar,
Abdullah Almalki is also being held by Syria. Since the US intelligence
authorities were questioning Arar about Mr. Almalki, I wonder what they
thought that Almalki was doing. Especially since again the evidence that
sugge
I thought he was flying from Switzerland is Switzerland an Islamic country??
Ans is Tunisia a suspected ally of Al Qaeda?
"I was using my air-miles to travel, and the best flight I could get went from Tunis, to Zurich, to New York, to Montreal. My flight arrived in New York at 2:00 p.m. on Sep
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tioned" for far less, including myself. I'm a young white southern male.
- Matt Small
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From: Raymond Camden
To: CF-Community
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 12:37 PM
Subject: RE: The Damasus Holiday Inn...
Wow, so you listed 3 facts:
1
t;
> - Original Message -
> From: Raymond Camden
> To: CF-Community
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 12:22 PM
> Subject: RE: The Damasus Holiday Inn...
>
>
> > I don't agree with the torture and deportation... but I
> > stand b
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> I don't agree with the torture and deportation... but I
> stand by the fact that it's a very suspicious scene.
Why? You said he was middle eastern flying from a islamic country. Is
that so
> I don't agree with the torture and deportation... but I
> stand by the fact that it's a very suspicious scene.
Why? You said he was middle eastern flying from a islamic country. Is
that something rare? Doesn't this happen thousands of times a day? Is it
suspicious to fly home?
-ray
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I don't agree with the torture and deportation... but I stand by the fact that it's a very suspicious scene.
- Matt Small
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From: Mark Smyth
To: CF-Community
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 11:49 AM
Subject: RE: The Damasus Holiday Inn...
I would imagine that getting a copy of the communication from his company would
have taken care of the "suspicions" His record as an employee and entrepreneur
should also have stood for something. As a Canadian Citizen, that is the only
place he should have been deported to, and the fact remains
I haven't heard anything in the news lately. Is _anything_ going on with
them?
-rc
>
> Yes they are. One in Norfolk VA and the other in New York.
> All of their
> "rights" are suspended.
>
> larry
>
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Scarey, but i recon thats hit the nail on the head
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Sent: 05 November 2003 16:16
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: The Damasus Holiday Inn...
Pfaw!
He's not a 'person'! He KNEW a Terrorist! ONce you know a t
nt: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 10:16 AM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: RE: The Damasus Holiday Inn...
> >
> >
> > Pfaw!
> >
> > He's not a 'person'! He KNEW a Terrorist! ONce you know a
> > terrorist or are even suspected of knowing a terr
eign country as a person of middle-eastern
>descent? I'm sympathetic to the fact that we're losing civil liberties
>all the time, but come on, this is pretty suspicious.
>
>- Matt Small
> - Original Message -
> From: Angel Stewart
> To: CF-Community
here.. please
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From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 05 November 2003 16:33
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: The Damasus Holiday Inn...
You're assuming he's telling the truth. A Syrian born Canadian... Works
with another Syrian born terrorist...
s and evidence are confidential and hence not presented to the accused or their lawyer. Interesting catch-22 I would say.
Dharmesh
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From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 10:37 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: The Damasus Holiday Inn...
> You're assuming he's telling the truth. A Syrian born
Very true.
> Canadian... Works with another Syrian born terrorist... is
I read the original article quickly - but are you sure he _worked_ with
him? I thought he only knew him via someone else?
> close enough to the terrorist's family
?
-ray
> -Original Message-
> From: Angel Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 10:16 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: The Damasus Holiday Inn...
>
>
> Pfaw!
>
> He's not a 'person'! He KNEW a Terror
Very upsetting piece of work. Thankfully he is back with his family in
Canada.
America is one f'up country.
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From: Angel Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 05 November 2003 16:16
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: The Damasus Holiday Inn...
Pfaw!
He&
Sounds like a scene from a movie with russian interrogators :)
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From: Dana Tierney
To: CF-Community
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 9:37 AM
Subject: The Damasus Holiday Inn...
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From: Angel Stewart
To: CF-Community
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 11:16 AM
Subject: RE: The Damasus Holiday Inn...
Pfaw!
He's not a 'person'! He KNEW a Terrorist! ONce you know a terrorist or
are even suspec
Its been going on in Canada for the last year or so. This morning's
Washington Post has an article about this man:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A522-2003Nov4.html
Somehow I'm not surprised. This government does seem to be giving the
impression that the war is against Islam.
larr
Pfaw!
He's not a 'person'! He KNEW a Terrorist! ONce you know a terrorist or
are even suspected of knowing a terrorist you lose all rights! If
America had been vigorously persecuting non whites and non americans all
this time, 9/11 might have never happened!
He's not an American...he's just a
fixer?
you lost me
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From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 05 November 2003 15:58
To: CF-Community
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I was going to make some glib comment. But that was before I read the piece.
A couple things though:
1. Fixer
2
right or fairno
But life isn't...
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