Even if you are talking laptop, the barebones/build-it-yourself laptop
field is taking off. Intel is driving this with the new platforms.
On 6/17/06, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No, I'm talking about desktops...aren't we talking about servers?
-Original Message-
From:
I think the thread you are thinking of dealt with debug output rather
than errors (and the solution was to hack the debug output page's css
to also use absolute positioning).
However the same principle applies and the files you want are in the
/web-inf/exception folder.
On 6/17/06, dave [EMAIL
If your Dreamweaver Developer Testing Enviroment is set to the same location
of the live server you could run into issues like this. also you might want
to look in coldfusion administrator for the *Trusted cache* setting and make
sure it's un-checked.
Message:
Is apple ever going to get with the program, two mouse buttons are better
than one, withouth having to purchase a usb mouse to do it.
--
Casey Dougall
Web Applications Developer
Ph: 518 743-9424 Fax: 743-0337
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mannix Marketing Inc. 33 Park St. Third Floor, Glens Falls, New
Those do sound like really useful tools.
I do my batch photo processing through Photoshop's Batch processing
function.
It does save a *ton* of time on those tedious photo processing chores.
I've heard about Spotlight...sounds similar to Google Desktop Search or MS's
recent
desktop search tool.
Josh...
I don't how much detail I can give as I'm not the sysadmin. I just tried typing
it out and I didn't even believe it myself.
andy
Hi Andy,
Don't have much info about classes...however if you were able to catch the
specific errors when they happen and then report them to this
Can you do 3 select inputs (month / date / year)?
I've found that to be one of the easier ways to ensure a date in a valid format.
On 6/17/06, Will Tomlinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm using x-forms so I can't use a cfcalendar on this.
I'm using a regular text input for the user to enter
Wow Massimo...
I've seen you post that before but never taken the time to read the methods.
That's a seriously impressive CFC. Great job!
dang Massimo, do you have something for everything? :)
~Dave - formerly known as the disruptor~
From:
Jeff Fleitz wrote:
I am getting an error/dump every time when trying to read any of the posts
in the demo forums.
Thanks, I fixed that... only affected users who weren't logged in, so I
didn't notice it! OOPS!
Rick
~|
Thanks,
The query is generated from form fields, so I ended up having to use the list
approach (had tried it before, but I must have been tired - it was easy enough
this morning).
I just made a modification of Ray Camden's QuerySort UDF so that it manually
creates a new recordset it the QofQ
If the server is busy, I'll bet you don't have enough memory devoted
to the JVM. We had similar issues recently and doubled the JVM heap to
1024MB; the server has been smooth since then.
On 6/17/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Josh...
I don't how much detail I can give as I'm
I'll be glad when build-it-yourself laptops become common.
I have always avoided laptops until recently because I couldn't
replace part easily or service them myself...
Rick
-Original Message-
From: James Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 6:48 AM
To:
Bryan Stevenson wrote:
I recently switched up our dev server to run the mutl-instance install
of CFMX 7. SO I'm used to being able to add classpaths and drop
things like iText in my classpathscycle the CF services and voila!
iText is available.
In the mutil-instance install I'm
You can change the log file location (assuming you're on MX 7) in the
Administrator. Look in the Logging settings.
On 6/16/06, Troy Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have a server configured with JRun/ColdFusion J2EE applications. I
have edited the file SERVER-INF\jrun.xml to move the log
Stepping off the porch a bit here ;) While I post mostly to cf-newbie, that
list doesn't appear to be quite as big or deep. nor as entertaining :)
I am trying to do something here that I know most of you will find
elementary, but I am yet and old dog still learning new tricks here. I have
a
It was recorded, and Adobe is supposed to e-mail me the URL as soon as
its available publicly, at which point I'll blog it.
Cheers,
Joe
On 6/16/06, Nick Tong - TalkWebSolutions.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi all,
Does anyone know if the Adobe eseminar 06/15/2006 on ColdFusion and
Well... First off recursion is about scan through multiple directories
located in a parent/child or tree relationship such as this:
myParentFolder
-myChildFolder1
-myChildFolder2
---mySecondLevelChildFolder1
Recursion would involve knowing that myParentFolder
How about making the URL available on the list too...I'd like to take
a look at that eSeminar
TIA,
Rick
-Original Message-
From: Joe Rinehart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 11:23 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: ColdFusion and Model-Glue eseminar
It was
Rick
I wrote a guide ages ago how to run Apache with virtual hosts (I was running
PHP, CF5 and CFMX 6 at the time), I hope this helps:
http://www.markdrew.co.uk/blog/index.cfm/2004/6/7/Apache-Virtual-Hosts-PHP-CF5-and-CFMX-part-1
Regards
--
Mark Drew
http://www.markdrew.co.uk/blog/
Hi Bob,
I think you will want to use #cffile.serverFile#, this will return the name
of the file that was just uploaded. You don't have to do any cfdirectory
stuff if you don't want to.
There is a slew of information that is returned in the cffile struct after
an upload, such as file size,
I am trying to do a plain ol' bar chart in CFCHART, but I am getting no bars
displayed on the chart. Using the plain vanilla example in livedocs, and I
know there is data in the query.
Here is what is not working:
cfchart showborder=yes format=Flash
chartheight=600 chartwidth=1000 show3d=no
Hey, does anyone have a copy of reactor? I tried going and getting one but
the reactor site is down.
--
Alan Rother
Macromedia Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7 Developer
~|
Message:
Thanks a lot, Mark!
I'll definitely have a look at it...and *everything* helps!
On a side note...seems to me like we need a central repository
for all the assets that people are creating for CF and complimentary
technologies such as Apache, that would allow the creators to
submit a link, not the
Excellent! Thank you for the quick responses, still learning my way around
cf here and I've always found this list to be extremely helpful. I knew I
would find a simpler solution to what I was trying to do here . As well
as the entertainment offered with no cover charge :) I'll play a bit with
Can you do 3 select inputs (month / date / year)?
I've found that to be one of the easier ways to ensure a date in a valid
format.
uhh... duh... Thanks charlie. That sounds like a good plan. :)
Will
~|
Message:
Always here to help.
These lists are pretty much the best place to learn CF
=]
--
Alan Rother
Macromedia Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7 Developer
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Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243944
You can try this instead:
http://www.olimpo.ch/tmt/tag/datepicker/
Thanks Massimo. I'll have a look at this.
Will
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Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243945
Archives:
This is sooo much quicker and easier ... and I'm old and lazy so it helps
tremendously :) Thanks Josh!
-Original Message-
From: Josh Nathanson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 11:36 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: cfdirectory-recurse
Hi Bob,
I think you will want to
This list? ;)
MD
On 6/17/06, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks a lot, Mark!
I'll definitely have a look at it...and *everything* helps!
On a side note...seems to me like we need a central repository
for all the assets that people are creating for CF and complimentary
Hi, Bob...
You will find this list, I dare say, to be the most valuable resource
available for using Cold Fusion...the people on this list are generous,
helpful, funny, flame-throwing, SOT, OT, and WOT, and
cantankerous at times :o), but you can almost always
find help from one, two, or 25
Right Will.. I do that too sometimes. I got in kinda late on this one, but
couldn't you just use isDate() on the server side backend and javascript to
validate the front end?
JavaScript would be a regex which would be something like this.
script
function checkform() {
Well, this list will always be the most valuable resource for
getting up-to-the-minute solutions and answers, but it's not
always the best resource for exhaustive information on a topic.
I'm seeing a trend toward the use of this list as a springboard to
other resources where extensive information
Good morning, all...
Mike Kear recommended to me that I use the ACME document
as a guide for setting up Apache, CF7, MySQL, and Eclipse.
I emailed Mike directly, but I think he may be sleeping right now,
so I thought I'd ask anyone who has knowledge of or has followed
the steps of the ACME
So, I've decided to use Apache instead of IIS as a web server.
Does this mean that my web server can now serve multiple
sites from Win XP Pro, instead of having to have a server OS,
such as Win 2000 Server, Win 2003 Server, or Win Web Server?
I'm talking about a production server.not a
Rick,
Great news on going apache. Why not just throw out that M$ OS entirely and
go Linux? If I am understanding you, you're wanting to run xp pro in
production? Really bad idea if so. XP Pro is not geared for production use
and I can't imagine the security issues you'll have. I hope you have a
Rick Faircloth wrote:
So, I've decided to use Apache instead of IIS as a web server.
Does this mean that my web server can now serve multiple
sites from Win XP Pro, instead of having to have a server OS,
such as Win 2000 Server, Win 2003 Server, or Win Web Server?
Yes.
I'm talking about
Dude, this is windows... I could see using a guide if it was linux and you
haven't done things from command line before... But, yeah this guide is
straigt forward enough. looks good. Why you need 108 pages is beond me but
it's all good.
Main thing is the steps in which you install.
1) apache, 2)
Rick Faircloth wrote:
Mike Kear recommended to me that I use the ACME document
as a guide for setting up Apache, CF7, MySQL, and Eclipse.
I emailed Mike directly, but I think he may be sleeping right now,
so I thought I'd ask anyone who has knowledge of or has followed
the steps of the
So, I've decided to use Apache instead of IIS as a web server.
Does this mean that my web server can now serve multiple
sites from Win XP Pro, instead of having to have a server OS,
such as Win 2000 Server, Win 2003 Server, or Win Web Server?
Yes.
I'm talking about a production server.not
Rick, I use the ACME setup on my dev box/laptop, except using DW instead of
Eclipse (so I guess it's ACMD), and it works great for me.
I would see what folks have to say about using Linux instead of Windows for
your production box, you'll need to think about if you want to bite off that
chunk.
You can hack the registry and get around that... But why would ya ever want
to?
LOL :)
Phil
-Original Message-
From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 12:10 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Don't need a Windows Server OS if using Apache?
Rick
Well...in that case, I guess it's either Win 2000 Server, Win Web Server
Edition,
or Linux.
Have you (or anyone else) had any experience with Win Web Server Edition?
Do any of the Windows servers have a free developer edition? (Yeah, I
know...
Linux is free (as in beer, but not as in pain ;o)
Oh, man, Phil...I'm trying to get my blood pressure and stress level DOWN
and you want me to go Linux at the same time I'm installing Apache, CF7,
et al, at the same time! I'd go into tech overload and have a stroke!
I've considered Linux, but...every time I consider it, I hear this voice
inside
Another question...any idea what the actual number of simultaneous
connections is limited to running
Win XP Pro?
-Original Message-
From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 1:10 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Don't need a Windows Server OS if using
Rick,
I said that with tongue in cheek. I do certainly prefer **ix over doze. In
all actuality, I prefer OpenBSD over all for a myriad of reasons.
For people that are new **ix environments, Fedora or SUSE is great because
you can install the GUI and not have to deal as much with the shell / bash
Create the mapping yourself if they won't do it for you. You can do it
programmatically like so:
cfscript
// setup my mapping
factory = createObject('java','coldfusion.server.ServiceFactory');
mappings = factory.runtimeservice.getMappings();
Yes, this is the Windows OS, but nothing else is Windows...
I make no assumptions about anything being straightforward,
obvious, or easy. I assume quite the obvious and do reasonable
research and ask all the basic questions I can think of before
clicking anything.
Thanks for the info...no, this
Development environment that should mirror as closely as reasonably possible
the production environment the web apps will run in.
And, no, I don't, at this point, have another document approach to any of
this,
except for what's out on the web. But nothing that approaches using all
this
software
The biggest issue is what hardware to set all this up on.
I've been planning to set up the development environment
on my laptop, which is XP Pro. No problem there really.
If Apache will allow me to develop multiple websites for
development, that's good enough.
I had just opened up another
Thanks, Josh...that's exactly the information I've been asking for.
I plan to try out an Apache / CF7 / DW8 environment.
And, yes, I'd rather spend $300 - $500 dollars on a server OS
that is simple to setup and administer (like a Windows OS)
than spend $1000 worth of billable time trying to sort
Probably wouldn't...I want a suitable OS for a web server.
Just didn't know if Win XP would fit the bill.
-Original Message-
From: Phillip Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 1:40 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Don't need a Windows Server OS if using Apache?
Thanks; I have thought of that too. There was talk I might be getting a
dedicated box, so hopefully it won't be an issue, but it is good to know I can
do this just in case I need to.
Create the mapping yourself if they won't do it for you. You can do it
programmatically like so:
Well...if I've got to have a Linux License (cost?) to run a web server
with Cold Fusion, I might as well stay with what I know. I only run
one web server right now.
-Original Message-
From: Phillip Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 2:03 PM
To: CF-Talk
I once, about a year and a half ago got thrown feet first into the fire on
maintaining *nix environment installs of CF, and I have to say, they're not
that bad. Apache is easy to config, and I find CF to be a lot more stable
overall on decently configured server.
I also agree, Fedora is a
You can download a 180 trail version of 2003 Enterprise server. So, every
180 days you take 4 hours and re-install your os and programs and you have a
free development enviroment :-) trim that to 30 days and never pay for a
program again...
Web edition is just a trimed down version of enterprise.
If you're also planning to run MySQL, one other piece of software you might
want to look into, that has become indispensable to me, is Navicat. It's
$99 I think but well worth it. Allows you to manage your dbs and data with
amazing efficiency. You can check it out at http://www.navicat.com.
Thanks for the recommendation on Fedora. Someone mentioned that
to run CF I'd have to have a Linux license...got a ballpark cost for that?
-Original Message-
From: David Crean [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 2:25 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Don't need a Windows
I usually end up wiping out my disks and reinstalling about once a year
just to keep everything nice and clean, so that's not too bad!
It's too bad, however, that MS doesn't make a Developer's Edition of
their OS's, like CF does, with IP restrictions...
-Original Message-
From: Casey
Thanks for the recommendation, Josh...I've been using MySQL for several
years and I think Navicat is indispensable!
Very easy, powerful, and as you say, very much worth the cost.
I love the automated database backup feature, too.
Rick
-Original Message-
From: Josh Nathanson
That is to say.. You have to have a version of CF for Linux.
-Phil
-Original Message-
From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 1:22 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Don't need a Windows Server OS if using Apache?
Well...if I've got to have a Linux
Oh...gotcha...
-Original Message-
From: Phillip Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 2:49 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Don't need a Windows Server OS if using Apache?
That is to say.. You have to have a version of CF for Linux.
-Phil
-Original
Be careful with that. You could could find your account deleted if they
find out you are modifying the cfadmin settings, as messing with the
cfadmin can potentially kill every site on the server.
This is why a lot of hosts do not allow CreateObject()
Snake
-Original Message-
From:
I find that rather hard to believe. A mapping simply points to a physical
path, and however their serve ris setup, it must have physical paths.
I am tied to a host who does not offer CF Mappings. They say
ColdFusion
mappings will not function on our system due to its hybrid
architecture. I
And as Dave (watts that is) didn't mention it.
YOu should ideally use a separate jvm.config for each instance to avoid
buggering up all instances at the same with any edits.
Snake
-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Date: Fri, 16
The issue with the hosting company woudn't be that you created a mapping.
Cos as you say, just making a mapping wont hurt anyone. But the issue
would be that you touched a part of the system you didnt have access to,
just as surely as if you had hacked into the CFAdmin. I'd be thinking
'if
but I could still use Win 2000 Server
It's always nice to have to regress back 6 years to get a system of theirs that
works right, while windows 2000 was probably their best one aren't they
stopping updates to it now? Which brings up the point of if you do go with a
windows server you will be
Rick Faircloth wrote:
I had just opened up another branch of inquiry for future
reference concerning what the production OS would need
to be...now I know it can't be XP Probut I could still use
Win 2000 Server, or Linux (yikes!) without spending anything.
Are you seriously considering
No...I'm going to setup Apache, CF7, DW8, and MySQL 5
on my laptop for development.
Once I'm ready for production with that environment, I'll move
to either Windows 2003 Standard or 2003 Web Edition Server.
Both can be had for about $250 - $350, so I'll just use them.
-Original Message-
I think for now I'll just setup Apache, CF7, DW8, MySQL 5
on my laptop and test there.
When I've completing testing, I'll set up a new server with
Windows 2003 Standard or Windows 2003 Web Server as a
production server.
I just did a little reading about Windows 2003 Web Server Edition
and it's
Rick Faircloth wrote:
Development environment that should mirror as closely as reasonably possible
the production environment the web apps will run in.
And, no, I don't, at this point, have another document approach to any of
this, except for what's out on the web. But nothing that
Well.before I got through three screens of the Apache installation,
I don't know what to put in the fields.
Network Domain: I have a domain for my webserver, but I figure this
out to be localhost or 127.0.0.1 since it's for local use only..?
Server Name: The name of the notebook computer or
Since every piece of software in the new environment is different,
the current configuration is not going to be a very useful reference point.
So, the best I've hit upon so far is the ACME documentation, and I've been
told by at least two others who have used it that I just need to follow the
I know this comes up in the list every once in a while, but the search isn't
giving me really great results.
What I want to know is where everone blogs at. Do most of you blog on your own
site, or use a centralized site to blog.
I'm thinking of starting up a blog and I want to know where
how do they expect a web application to be built with a database?
of course they don't let you, they expect that you will now go spend tons of
mula on their db server. You know when people say that really the ms platform
isn't as free as they say? Well it's things like this that they get ya
I checked and two other CF developers have added mappings, so it looks like I
could add one more, but I agree I am not anxious to be booted off the server.
Be careful with that. You could could find your account deleted if they
find out you are modifying the cfadmin settings, as messing with the
there is itools http://www.tenon.com/products/itools-osx/, i dont know if they
have that for pc's tho
There are quite a few tools out there that will install apache, mysql php in
a easy all-in-one installer, you might want to look at one of those, i used one
years ago and it was painless, i
PHP? Aahh! (Runs and hides in closet...)
-Original Message-
From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 5:28 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: ACME Approach to Installation
there is itools http://www.tenon.com/products/itools-osx/, i dont know if
they have
Off the top of my head, I would calculate the costs as follows
(where I can give a reasonable estimate):
A) Windows Solution
- Windows Box: $1000 (with RAID / hardware only including monitor)
- Windows Server 2003 Web Edition: $300
- CF Standard: $1300
- IIS:
Here is some JS I found on the web somewhere that moves the debug output
down...
you could modify it for whatever class name you wanted.
If you hate putting the body onload in there as much as I do, you can use a
JS
function to add it to the onload programmaticly. I have one, if it's
needed.
On 6/17/06, Casey Dougall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is apple ever going to get with the program, two mouse buttons are better
than one, withouth having to purchase a usb mouse to do it.
This had been my major complaint for years. Now they have mighty mice.
Fck'n awesome. ;-) I'd buy one for
Is apple ever going to get with the program, two mouse buttons are better
than one, withouth having to purchase a usb mouse to do it.
You have been able to right click on a mac now since OSX or about the last 4
years. Most mac ppl liked not having it and using keyboard shortcut instead or
thanks, I will give that a try
and sorry James I never got your reply just saw it on this one, the thing I
forgot was that I wasnt getting the error locally but it was on the server,
oops lol
~Dave - formerly known as the disruptor~
From: Denny
On 6/17/06, dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I actually am trying out this program right now
http://www.ragingmenace.com/software/sidetrack/, im defenatley gunna buy
it. I set up mine so if i tap the top right corner of the pad it righ clicks
and if i run my finger down right side it scrolls
Rick Faircloth wrote:
Off the top of my head, I would calculate the costs as follows
(where I can give a reasonable estimate):
A) Windows Solution
- Windows Box: $1000 (with RAID / hardware only including monitor)
- Windows Server 2003 Web Edition: $300
You want to run CF
well its only like $9, even will could afford that!
Games, I'm not a big gamer but I bought Call of Duty 2 for mac intel and I run
it on my macbook pro and the settings for the game I maxed out on everything
and it runs beatifully, havent even had it studer once. I have some of
the older
I think you did over estimate on your time, to set up linux, apache, mysql and
cfm (basic time frame) should only be 2 hours or so. Its the testing, loading,
ect of the machines that takes time. And most of that time frame is loading
linux on same as it would be to load windows on. And you will
My Blog: http://k-sea.stumbleupon.com
Lots of links for the most part... If you haven't stumbled yet, your in for
a lot of wasted time just checking out websites you would have never though
to find.
On 6/17/06, Steven Durette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I know this comes up in the list every once
- Additional Trimmings: $0 (Already have network AV and hardware
firewall)0
Accounting doesn't work that way.
I don't know how your accounting works (you sound like you work for a
corporation, but mine works any way I want it to, since I'm the one doing
the work, billing, and paying
On 6/17/06, dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Games, I'm not a big gamer but I bought Call of Duty 2 for mac intel and I
run it on my macbook pro and the settings for the game I maxed out on
everything and it runs beatifully, havent even had it studer once. I
have some of the older medal of
I've heard about Spotlight...sounds similar to Google Desktop Search or MS's
recent desktop search tool.
its similar but it actually works and its built into the os so its way less
resource intensive, i remember trying the google one on my pc which there is
768mb or ram on and it dogged it
'Cept price... and I bet there are edge *cough* cases for running MS
stuff...
Price really isnt a factor, I mean if you get a Dell xps (or any laptop) with
comparable equiptment you will probably pay at least twice as much as you will
for the apple. Ppl seem to compare an Apple which comes
you can always get a bluetooth mouse if ya got something against a usb one. If
you mean why dont they include a 2 button one, well they do now and you might
get a 2 button one with your new dell and its a jem lemme tell u, so u gotta
buy a new one anyway, so whats the difference?
~Dave -
hey Rick or anyone who knows, can you set this to not use any compression on
the image at all? I believe the default is already set but I dont see where i
can by pass that.
~Dave - formerly known as the disruptor~
~|
the thing i can say I liked about a dell is that it was easy to open to do
anything with, its all right there and easily access, try and open a hp to add
ram, frickin all day event.
~Dave - formerly known as the disruptor~
From: Bryan Stevenson [EMAIL
On 6/17/06, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is a perfect example of why it would take longer...I'd have to spend
3 hours just to find out that I needed to run those commands and how to
run
them!
The main crux. Knowledge is knowledge, is knowledge. My *nix experience
I think the only ppl who dont really like dw only do backend stuff or really
ugly css stuff. Personally I love dw but I do like eclipse for a few things, I
really like adobe's new rds plugin for ecplise that you can make your beans,
dao gateway cfc's in like 2 seconds, huge time saver.
I
If you plan on doing any flex stuff (which hopefully u will) then you can also
look at tomcat server, since its a j2ee server it will run cfm and flex.
~Dave - formerly known as the disruptor~
From: Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June
dell xps's are ok but not for 4-5k
the rest really arent good at all.. just about everything on them is the
cheapest thing they can get so of course they wont be on par with a custom
machine which you can get for cheaper than a good dell.
~Dave - formerly known as the disruptor~
Well, with around 4 grand it seemed to me that it was all about equal...
With about 1 grand, it wasn't, I could get more bang for my buck with PC
than Mac.
And replacement parts? YEOWZERZ! That mac stuff is 'xpensive!
Glad they're sorta moving away from the Only apple certified... idea...
that
we need video editing for the scantly clad girls on i can.d!! but they dont
like windows users(they made me switch..thank god..) and I probably cant offer
much valuable cf info lol
~Dave - formerly known as the disruptor~
From: Rick Faircloth [EMAIL
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