We need to evaluate the performance of some CF hosting services. One angle
I would like to try is to setup an automatic pinging script and ping sample
domains hosted by the hosting services at intervals over a period. Note: I
am aware that pinging is often used for denial of service, but that
done!
- Original Message -
From: Nick Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 10:10 AM
Subject: Auto Pinging Script?
| We need to evaluate the performance of some CF hosting services. One angle
| I would like to try is to setup
Doug White wrote:
You do this on my domain(s) and ...snip... a complaint filed with
appropriate Law Enforcement
All he wants is a server monitor. Common as dirt; ethical and legal.
Check out CF_SitePeeker in the DevEx to use as a free server monitor.
http://mysecretbase.com/page_48.html
And
For 15 pings? Sheesh man...just filter icmp and be done with it if
that's the way you feel. How are you counting and triggering the
events? I could see doing this with IDS, but would think doing
something like that on the router would cause performance issues if
the counter window was long enough.
, 2003 1:51 PM
Subject: Re: Auto Pinging Script?
| For 15 pings? Sheesh man...just filter icmp and be done with it if
| that's the way you feel. How are you counting and triggering the
| events? I could see doing this with IDS, but would think doing
| something like that on the router would cause
Doug, one page hit every 5 minutes is not a crime, nor will it draw any
notice from law enforcement.
Again, monitoring a server for uptime at a responsible interval is
entirely legal. Its done all the time, every day, by well-established
corporations dedicated to doing just that and that only
At 11:38 AM 9/24/03 -0700, Matt Robertson wrote:
Check out CF_SitePeeker in the DevEx to use as a free server monitor.
http://mysecretbase.com/page_48.html
This is an excellent link, thanks. What do you use as your good server to
test from?
T
Tired of your bookmarks/favourites being limited
Thane Sherington wrote:
What do you use as your good server to test from?
For about the last 1 1/2 to 2 years I have used my home DSL connection, on which I am
running a full licensed copy of CF. Otherwise the cheapest way to do it is to get a
cheapie hosting acct that lets you use cfschedule,
As for someone saying the attacking a network not under your control is
ethical
and Legal, I will remind that person that this system is in Texas, and we
have
statutes making the practice illegal, and subject to substantial fines.
Put
that together with an Attorney General who is enthusiastic
CTO/Transitionpoint
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From: Matt Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 4:06 PM
Subject: RE: Auto Pinging Script?
Thane Sherington wrote:
What do you use as your good server to test from
service, my job isn't done!
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From: Matt Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 2:18 PM
Subject: RE: Auto Pinging Script?
| Doug, one page hit every 5 minutes is not a crime, nor will it draw any
| notice from law
: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 4:23 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Auto Pinging Script?
Your key word is paying customersTo ping networks you have no
relationship
with on a repeated basis, no matter the interval, is definitely a crime
here in
Texas, as of September 1, 2003
Pinging Script?
| As for someone saying the attacking a network not under your control is
| ethical
| and Legal, I will remind that person that this system is in Texas, and we
| have
| statutes making the practice illegal, and subject to substantial fines.
| Put
| that together with an Attorney
Doug White wrote:
To ping networks you have no relationship with on a repeated basis, no
matter the interval, is definitely a crime here in Texas, as of
September 1, 2003
I don't think so as that definition ignores the concept of intent, but neither of our
opinions mean anything. I have a
What I want to know is if they capture the packet's...do they sending
them to the electric chair? :)
I can see how Doug's strategy could be extremely effective...
Personally I'd set it a few notches higher, but there are definitely times
when we have been under DOS attack that I wished we had
-Original Message-
From: Doug White [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 4:23 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Auto Pinging Script?
Your key word is paying customersTo ping networks you have no
relationship
with on a repeated basis, no matter the interval, is definitely
LOL,
Maybe you should rewrite all the lyrics to that song and record it ;-)
Ben
-Original Message-
From: Marlon Moyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 4:51 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Auto Pinging Script?
There I was completely wasted, pinging a texas town
Ben Densmore wrote
Maybe you should rewrite all the lyrics to that song and record it
Noo :-D
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| Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 4:23 PM
| To: CF-Talk
| Subject: Re: Auto Pinging Script?
|
| Your key word is paying customersTo ping networks you have no
| relationship
| with on a repeated basis, no matter the interval, is definitely a crime
| here in
| Texas
-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 3:28 PM
Subject: RE: Auto Pinging Script?
| So how does that affect someone that would ping your network that is not
| in Texas? I think that is a bit extreme to say you're going to jail or
| going to pay a fine because you pinged our
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Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: Auto Pinging Script?
| Doug White wrote:
| To ping networks you have no relationship with on a repeated basis, no
| matter the interval, is definitely a crime here in Texas, as of
| September 1, 2003
Your scenario would make it a crime for me to monitor the content of a web
page, determine whether it has changed and send a notice if a change has
occurred. Again, a reasonable and ethical activity widely performed.
This is important for me to be clear on as well. I have a desktop app that
I'm
Honest Doug, I'm not trying to pick on you today, but:
The law (SB 186) requires ADV to be in the subject line. Do that and you're
free/clear. Also, opt-in mailings are exempt, so an ongoing relationship is protected
so long as it was established properly (expect a lot of wiggling on that
Does anyone know what law in TX we are talking about?
I haven't found anything obvious from a list of 9/1 effective bills.
Looking here:http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlo/reports/daily/78R/eff0901_summary.htm
Jerry Johnson
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Honest Doug, I'm not trying to
Whoops! My bad. Correction on the ADV bit. No dice there. But the opt-in part is
correct. The idea was to protect small CA businesses doing internet commerce.
--Matt--
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MSB Designs, Inc.
24, 2003 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: Auto Pinging Script?
| Honest Doug, I'm not trying to pick on you today, but:
|
| The law (SB 186) requires ADV to be in the subject line. Do that and you're
free/clear. Also, opt-in mailings are exempt, so an ongoing relationship is
protected so long
and piss a lot of clients off if carried through.
Rick
-Original Message-
From: Doug White [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 1:19 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Auto Pinging Script?
You do this on my domain(s) and on the sixth ping you would be locked out of
access
==
If you are not satisfied with my service, my job isn't done!
- Original Message -
From: Matt Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: Auto Pinging Script?
| Honest Doug, I'm not trying to pick on you today
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From: cfhelp [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 4:48 PM
Subject: RE: Auto Pinging Script?
| Dude that is so (_!_)
|
| What is the name of your company so I never refer or sign up a client with
| them.
|
| I would hate to find out you
. Breneman
-Cold Fusion Developer
-Network Administrator
Vivid Media
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.vividmedia.com
608.270.9770
-Original Message-
From: Doug White [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 1:19 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Auto Pinging Script?
You do
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From: Nick Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 10:10 AM
Subject: Auto Pinging Script?
| We need to evaluate the performance of some CF hosting services. One angle
| I would like to try is to setup an automatic pinging script and ping
about once / month.
HTH
- Original Message -
From: Nick Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 10:10 AM
Subject: Auto Pinging Script?
| We need to evaluate the performance of some CF hosting services. One angle
| I would like to try
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-Original Message-
From: cfhelp [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 3:52 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Auto Pinging Script?
I lost my bookmarks but I had a really cool Whois and trace-route website
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Auto Pinging Script?
I lost my bookmarks but I had a really cool Whois and trace-route website
that showed all the sites hosted on a server. That may be some help in
evaluating a host.
Anyone know of it or another?
Rick
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