OK, first I have to weigh in on Ray's side. He's one of the few people at MM
that I still trust and he's a community member first and foremost. When he's
talking about the decryptor, he's not sprouting MM dogma but speaking his
own feelings which happen to be my own.
Decrypting CF templates is a v
If you have an idea to share you should do so. Don't let a bunch of rhetoric
stop you from doing your thing.
Steve
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From: James Milks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 10:42 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: OK lets get a grip: Need decryptor tag for
> I think the core problem in this discussion is that the
> Macromedia acolytes
Macromedia acolytes? I've been a ColdFusion developer for a LONG time, much
before I went to Macromedia. I also began this discussion by simply saying
that I _thought_ the use of a decryptor was illegal, and that I t
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Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 8:11 PM
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> There is a very grey line here .. maybe. Take this real life example:
There is no
don't want the whole CF community having a
cow over this.
James
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From: Todd Ashworth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: June 8, 2001 10:14 PM
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We consulted one ..
Unfortunately, while we *can* prove
money and kill their
own chances of getting in on the market than to take them to court :)
Todd
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From: "Steve Drucker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 9:07 PM
Subject: RE: Need decry
odd Ashworth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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There is a very grey line here .. maybe. Take this real life example:
We had a father/son team that worked for my company. The father was one of
the ones who
ng and/or copyright of ideas. Many people think our laws
are ludicrous and impede the growth of knowledge, and hence the strength of
the country.
Steve
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From: Robert Long [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 7:12 PM
To: CF-Talk
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: CF-Talk
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There is a very grey line here .. maybe. Take this real life example:
We had a father/son team that worked for my company. The father was one of
the ones who helped start the company and greatly responisble for making it
successful
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Nick McClure [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 3:58 PM
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>> I would agree with Raymond. Just because you didn't buy the
t;CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Well i'm not talking about plagerism, i'm talking about studying the code,
> how they made it work, etc, etcthen developing your own application,
>
4 PM
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Well i'm not talking about plagerism, i'm talking about studying the code,
how they made it work, etc, etcthen developing your own application,
that is how a lot of us learned from bookes that we've bought, s
.
The dark side is a tempting mistress, no?
Steve
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From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 3:28 PM
To: CF-Talk
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So, by your logic, if I use weak encryption, then I shouldn't
inding the future in the past, passing the future in the present]
[connecting people, places and things]
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From: "Raymond Camden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 15:28:22 -0400
Subject: RE: Need decryptor tag for CFUG presentation
> So, by you
Don't rip someone off to solve your problem.
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From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 5:09 PM
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At 09:54 AM 06/08/2001 -0700, you wrote:
>Anyone with any knowledge
I just want to say when I had javascript question I was told by a very
well known/ published developer just to look at the code generated by the
tag and the java would be there. Humm now was that illegal? Did, this break
any laws. Let's see Iat the time I had no idea how to do javascript
vali
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On Friday, June 8, 2001, at 09:54 AM, Kevin Mansel wrote:
> A popular way to learn how
> to code is to see other people's code. That is how you learn in
>
(John Ceci) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 12:40 PM
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But Kevin that book has been published and the author has made the decision
to give that code away with the COST of the book...or the Teacher has been
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I don't see how the software can be illegal, as it does have legitimate use
if you've lost or don
is.
-kev
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From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 11:42 AM
To: CF-Talk
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>
I would agree with Raymond. Just because you didn't buy the product does
not mean the code is not copyrighted. Many people produce freeware
products. That means you are free to use the product that you are provided.
Decrypting/Reverse engineering gives you something you were not originally
giv
bed.
Raymond Camden
> -Original Message-
> From: Paris Lundis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 1:34 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Need decryptor tag for CFUG presentation
>
>
> COmpanies that try to eradicate web items they do not like should
t our customers", response I ask, "If an effective
mechanism was in place why would they need your _protection_?"
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From: Norman Elton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 12:07 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Need decryptor tag for CFUG prese
At 09:54 AM 06/08/2001 -0700, you wrote:
>Anyone with any knowledge of using a search engine can find that site. I
>don't think it was that big of deal personally. A popular way to learn how
>to code is to see other people's code. That is how you learn in school, the
>teacher shows you code, yo
something if they are going to
offer the feature...
Regards,
John
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From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 12:09 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Need decryptor tag for CFUG presentation
But, if the key is user-defined then how would
The only good things I can think of (at the moment) about encrypting
templates are to:
(1) Make sure that clients who are unware of the decrypting tools don't
inavertenly or purposely make modificatios to your code.
(2) Make sure other ColdFusion developers sitting on a shared box cannot
(easily)
01 12:57 PM
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I have been quiet on this, however, it infuriates me that MM/Allaire
have weak protection... ideally, it was a good thing early on.. when
cracked they spun it as it is to keep casual observers out and that
bundled softwa
On Friday, June 8, 2001, at 09:54 AM, Kevin Mansel wrote:
> A popular way to learn how
> to code is to see other people's code. That is how you learn in
> school, the
> teacher shows you code, you get a book, then you take it to the next
> level
> to create something with the tools you learn
There is a CFML "Batch Encryptor" here that will make a complete encrypted
copy of your entire site (very handy)
http://cfhub.com/tutorials/cfencode/
> ok, so how does one go about encrypting a CFm template?
>
> nick
>
~~
Structure your ColdFus
the tag gallery, decrypt it and then use the
code, in whole or part, you are breaking the law...
John
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From: Kevin Mansel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 11:54 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Need decryptor tag for CFUG presentation
Anyone with any
> Anyone with any knowledge of using a search engine can find that site. I
> don't think it was that big of deal personally. A popular way to
> learn how
> to code is to see other people's code. That is how you learn in
> school, the
> teacher shows you code, you get a book, then you take it t
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>
> I'm not a lawyer and this is not legal advice. But according to the
> federal judge in the first round of MPAA vs. 2600 in the DeCSS case,
> circumventing _any_
r' key for decrypting it. In any event, however, it prevents the
standard user from being unable to read the code.
Chris
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From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 10:29 AM
To: CF-Talk
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> We had a programmer leave and they left everything encrypted, so we had to
> decrypt the files to update them and fix errors
I can see this. But again, legally, you should have, probably, contacted
Tech Support @ Macromedia.
> The other time is a little like "reverse engineering" - I downloade
> It's no secret:
>
> Matt Chapman ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
>
> And, if you search the net you'll find it all over the place (including
source code) so getting it off the net is not going to
> happen. I've even seen it offered as shareware (if you can believe that!)
Reminds me of one of my favorites
une 08, 2001 9:58 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Need decryptor tag for CFUG presentation
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Top-Link Tech (John Ceci)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, Ju
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 9:58 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Need decryptor tag for CFUG presentation
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Top-Link Tech (John Ceci)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
t, yadda, yadda, would be
actually illegal, as in criminal.
> -Original Message-
> From: Robert Long [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 8:55 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Need decryptor tag for CFUG presentation
>
>
> I think it was VERY un
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Top-Link Tech (John Ceci))
Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 11:49:09 -0500
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> Howie,
>
> I would agree with getting off the net is impossible, that is why I
> presented #2, change the basic encryption scheme to something
TED]]
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I think it was VERY unprofessional of those individuals that
posted a link directly to the utility. I have no idea how many
people are on this list, but now all of them have knowledge of
that site.
I think Jeff is write. When a developer who is paid by a company leaves
then just to spite the owner, encrypt's the code he was paid for now that
is wrong. The owner should have the right to decrypt the code he paid
for. I'm sorry but I am glad the code is out there.
Now, as a developer I k
> Reverse engineering of programs has been around for a long time and
> will probably remain until everyone develops some sort of conscience.
Personally, I have used the decryptor a few times for different reasons;
We had a programmer leave and they left everything encrypted, so we had to
decryp
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It would also be a violation of the Digital Millenium Copyright Act.
Lon Lentz
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Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 8:50 AM
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Saying this as Michael Dinowitz, yes. The decrypt utility is illegal
according to the MM licensing contract.
> Correct me if I
take
a week or two for someone to crack that too, but some type of effort by MM
to combat this is necessary...
John
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From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 9:58 AM
To: CF-Talk
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>
> I do find it interesting that technical support can resolve a 'encryption
> issue' though...basically tells me that the encryption isn't too secure to
> begin with :)
I wouldn't say that. Even super-strong encryption things can normally be
decrypted... otherwise, what's the point? Unless your
My question:
First we must assume that I am using the program on a file in which I own
the code. Now is it illegal for me to use this program or just to write it?
I have not read the license agreement completely so I am not sure, and I
think I am going to do that.
At 09:49 AM 6/8/2001 -0400,
, 2001 10:29 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Need decryptor tag for CFUG presentation
It would also be a violation of the Digital Millenium Copyright Act.
Lon Lentz
Applications Developer & CyberEntomologist - Alvion Technologies
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From: "Top-Link Tech (John Ceci)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 11:17 AM
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> Ray,
>
> I would agree with your statement
ok, so how does one go about encrypting a CFm template?
nick
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From: Bryan LaPlante [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 08 June 2001 15:17
To: CF-Talk
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I agree with you Raymond, I think as a producer of software I am
I agree,
I found it this morning on a major search engine
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Ray,
I would agree with your statement competely
quot; - Yoda
> -Original Message-
> From: Jones, Matt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 9:37 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Need decryptor tag for CFUG presentation
>
>
> http://shrewm.net/cfd/
>
> -Original Message-----
&
At 09:45 AM 06/08/2001 -0400, you wrote:
>Correct me if I'm wrong, and I'm saying this as Ray Camden, not Ray Camden
>of Macromedia, but isn't use of this decryptor illegal? Should we so
>casually discuss a piece of a software that is probably illegal to use?
I suppose it is something that may
hael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 9:50 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Need decryptor tag for CFUG presentation
Saying this as Michael Dinowitz, yes. The decrypt utility is illegal
according to the MM licensing contract.
> Correct me if I'm wrong, and I'm s
methodology inside of CF5.0 in the
first SP which will then totally take the program out of usefulness...
John
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From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 8:45 AM
To: CF-Talk
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Correct me if
cents
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| Correct me if I'm wrong, and I'm saying this as Ray Camden, n
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> "My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is." - Yoda
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> > -Original Message-----
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> > Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 9:3
m: Jones, Matt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 9:37 AM
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>
>
> http://shrewm.net/cfd/
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Alii Design [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent
http://shrewm.net/cfd/
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From: Alii Design [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 8:30 AM
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That website is gone http://shroom.dv8.org/cfd/ I was looking for it
recently and it has been
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From: James Milks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 7:32 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Need decryptor tag for CFUG presentation
Hi all,
I need a copy of the decryptor tag floating around for a cfug presentation
next week. I have misplaced m
-Original Message-
From: James Milks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 7:32 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Need decryptor tag for CFUG presentation
Hi all,
I need a copy of the decryptor tag floating around for a cfug presentation
next week. I have misplaced my copy...Pleas
In the post to you personally...
> -Original Message-
> From: James Milks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 08 June 2001 12:32
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Need decryptor tag for CFUG presentation
>
>
> Hi all,
> I need a copy of the decryptor tag floating aro
Hi all,
I need a copy of the decryptor tag floating around for a cfug presentation
next week. I have misplaced my copy...Please provide a URL where I can
locate one.
Thanks,
James Milks
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