That's because they see your name on them and send them straight to the bin.
Create a new email that doesn't have your name in it and try again. See if
this one's taken:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
or
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
:)
-Original Message-
From: Simon Free [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:
: Larry Lyons
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Sat Dec 16 19:40:54 2006
Subject: Re: Certification
Agreed, the certs are pretty much worthless in the real world.
This topic come up on a regular basis, almost once every 2 or 3 months.
Ever notice that generally those who say the CFMX
As for looking up the answer... As noted isn't the Adobe one
multiple choice still? where the answer is right in front of
you on every Q! As my old Physics teacher used to say,
multiple choice is not a test.. a monkey with a stick could
get a pass by stroking the page randomly...
Your
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Certification
You seem to be viewing Brainbench certs unfavorably because you can look up
answers in the manual as you take the test. The Brainbench tests are
intended to be open-book and the Adobe test is intended to be closed-book.
So the questions you see on a Brainbench
Well I have to say that I know someone who passed the Macromedia
certification using random selection. He had never done a single line of
CFML in his life.
Russ
-Original Message-
From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 18 December 2006 15:38
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Certification
As for looking up the answer... As noted isn't the Adobe one multiple
choice still? where the answer is right in front of you on every Q!
As my old Physics teacher used to say, multiple choice is not a
test.. a monkey with a stick could get a pass
Subject: Re: Certification
You seem to be viewing Brainbench certs unfavorably because you can
look up answers in the manual as you take the test. The Brainbench
tests are intended to be open-book and the Adobe test is intended to
be closed-book. So the questions you see on a Brainbench test
Well I have to say that I know someone who passed the
Macromedia certification using random selection. He had never
done a single line of CFML in his life.
I know someone who won the lottery. That doesn't mean I think it's a fair
bet that I will also win the lottery.
That said, I don't
You seem to be viewing Brainbench certs unfavorably because
you can look up answers in the manual as you take the test.
The Brainbench tests are intended to be open-book and the
Adobe test is intended to be closed-book. So the questions
you see on a Brainbench test are much harder than
questions are wrong, a person should easily be able to get a higher then 25%
score.
Russ
-Original Message-
From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 10:38 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Certification
As for looking up the answer... As noted isn't
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Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 1:59 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Certification
You seem to be viewing Brainbench certs unfavorably because
you can look up answers in the manual as you take the test.
The Brainbench tests are intended to be open-book and the
Adobe test is intended
I don't know. I took a brainbench CF test back in the day and I remember a lot
of questions that you can just paste into an cfm page, run it and get the
answer...
Russ
IIRC the Brainbench test I took for CFMX that a recruiter requested I take a
few months ago, one could no longer copy and
Brainbench certifications are unproctored, so you can't even tell if the
applicant actually took it, can you?
Other then there is nothing preventing someone from proctoring the test if they
so desire. Just don't let the applicant take the test on their own.
--
Ian Skinner
Web
We've used Brainbench with some success. We have applicants take the
tests on premise, so we proctor them ourselves.
Rich Kroll
Brainbench certifications are unproctored, so you can't even tell if
the
applicant actually took it, can you?
Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
Some companies actually have the applicant take the brainbench exam as
part
of the interviewing process. In that case it is proctored, and if
controlled properly, might give a decent indication of the candidate's
skill
set.
That's exactly how we perform and use the tests.
Rich Kroll
Hey all you highly certified (and thus extremely bright right)have a look
at
my thread on CFDOCUMENT hell and put some of that awesome power to work ;-)
I'm about to start forcing page breaks after counting lines which is why I
wanted to use CFDOCUMENT in the first friggin place (to handle
Yes you can, you can view their results online.
-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 18 December 2006 18:59
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Certification
You seem to be viewing Brainbench certs unfavorably because you can
look up answers in the manual as you
Yes you can, you can view their results online.
I believe Dave's point was that if you don't proctor the exam, you can tell if
the person who took the test is the one applying for the position. Maybe he
got his really good friend Ben Forta or somebody to take the examine for him.
I think what he means is that there is no confirmation that the person whose
certificate it is, is actually the person that took the test.
-Original Message-
From: Snake [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 2:27 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Certification
Yes
The public transcript shows the persons name, all the tests they have done,
their scores, when they took the test etc.
Russ
-Original Message-
From: Ian Skinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 18 December 2006 19:31
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Certification
Yes you can, you can view
The public transcript shows the persons name, all the tests they have done,
their scores, when they took the test etc.
Russ
But there is NOT a webcam recording of the individual who was actually sitting
at the keyboard taking the exam under that person's login. That is the point
of
Yes, but what's stopping me from having my friend take the test for me?
Russ
-Original Message-
From: Snake [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 2:54 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Certification
The public transcript shows the persons name, all the tests
Yes you can, you can view their results online.
http://www.unc.edu/depts/jomc/academics/dri/idog.html
I strongly advise you to avoid online dating.
Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
instruction at our
Well that much may be true, but if someone is idiotic enough to get someone
else to take the test for them, I don't think they are going to keep the job
very long.
Russ
-Original Message-
From: Ian Skinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 18 December 2006 20:07
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE
No problem Dave, I'm a married man :-)
-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 18 December 2006 20:57
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Certification
Yes you can, you can view their results online.
http://www.unc.edu/depts/jomc/academics/dri/idog.html
I strongly
I've been too busy with CF work to notice (or to get a Certification).
On 12/17/06, Larry Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Agreed, the certs are pretty much worthless in the real world.
This topic come up on a regular basis, almost once every 2 or 3 months.
Ever notice that generally
-Ravo, Neil (RX)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 17 December 2006 07:38
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Certification
Not really, as the fact they are worthless (not useless) is no doubt the
reason they do not take them. In the professional world whether you are
ColdFusion certified or not means nada
their contractors on how to bs their way in.
Steve
-Original Message-
From: Snake [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 6:00 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Certification
I have an online test I give candidates that has real world coding
questions, like
1. write a simple web
If you email me offline I'll send you a copy.
Russ
-Original Message-
From: DURETTE, STEVEN J (ASI-AIT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 17 December 2006 12:04
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Certification
Russ,
You want to share that test? We've had many times where we needed to hire
website at http://www.reedexpo.com
-Original Message-
From: Snake
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Sun Dec 17 12:42:51 2006
Subject: RE: Certification
If you email me offline I'll send you a copy.
Russ
-Original Message-
From: DURETTE, STEVEN J (ASI-AIT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 17 December
Sent: Sat Dec 16 19:40:54 2006
Subject: Re: Certification
Agreed, the certs are pretty much worthless in the real world.
This topic come up on a regular basis, almost once every 2 or 3 months.
Ever notice that generally those who say the CFMX certification is useless
are those who
-Original Message-
From: Nicholas M Tunney
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Sun Dec 17 22:10:14 2006
Subject: Re: Certification
In the staffing portion of my company, we do not pay any attention to
Brainbench certs. You can look every answer up as you take the test.
Many of our clients require
://www.reedexpo.com
-Original Message-
From: Nicholas M Tunney
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Sun Dec 17 22:10:14 2006
Subject: Re: Certification
In the staffing portion of my company, we do not pay any attention to
Brainbench certs. You can look every answer up as you take the test.
Many of our
Not really a marker.. As going by that surely you should also
require them to be Microsoft certified etc..
Why should CF developers be Microsoft certified?
As for looking up the answer... As noted isn't the Adobe one
multiple choice still? where the answer is right in front of
you on
, Snake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Maybe for some people.
-Original Message-
From: Michael Traher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 15 December 2006 23:18
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Certification
to improve your skills and knowledge perhaps?
The process of preparing for the test forces
developers in the UK according to brainbench.com :-)
-Original Message-
From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 16 December 2006 08:08
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Certification
I think that is the point. It really doesn't mean a whole lot, and it should
Agreed, the certs are pretty much worthless in the real world.
This topic come up on a regular basis, almost once every 2 or 3 months.
Ever notice that generally those who say the CFMX certification is useless are
those who boast that they don't have it?
just a thought.
-Talk
Sent: Sat Dec 16 19:40:54 2006
Subject: Re: Certification
Agreed, the certs are pretty much worthless in the real world.
This topic come up on a regular basis, almost once every 2 or 3 months.
Ever notice that generally those who say the CFMX certification is useless
are those who boast
Go to http://www.centrasoft.com/cfmxexambusterorderinfo.cfm.
-Original Message-
From: Neil Middleton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 10:36 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Certification
Does anyone have any opinions on the best ways to prepare for the CFMX
On 12/15/06, Neil Middleton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Does anyone have any opinions on the best ways to prepare for the CFMX
certification exams?
forta's cfmx exam guide book
centrasoft's cf exam buster software
only 2 tools you'll need.
--
Charlie Griefer
I'll second that. Excellent bit of software.
On 15/12/06, Ray Champagne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Go to http://www.centrasoft.com/cfmxexambusterorderinfo.cfm.
-Original Message-
From: Neil Middleton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 10:36 AM
To: CF-Talk
I'll second the CFMX Exam Buster software. It's actually much harder than
the actual test.
!//--
andy matthews
web developer
certified advanced coldfusion programmer
ICGLink, Inc.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
615.370.1530 x737
--//-
-Original Message-
From:
Make sure you know how to write CFML.
You could cheat like most people do and use the certification study guide.
I personally don't think the certification is worth the paper it is printed
on. I know several people who got Advanced ColdFusion developers
certifications, when in reality they are
: Snake
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Fri Dec 15 16:56:38 2006
Subject: RE: Certification
Make sure you know how to write CFML.
You could cheat like most people do and use the certification study guide.
I personally don't think the certification is worth the paper it is printed
on. I know several people who got
: Re: Certification
Agreed, the certs are pretty much worthless in the real world.
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From: Ben Nadel
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Fri Dec 15 17:39:46 2006
Subject: RE: Certification
What are you talking about?!?!??!?! The ladies love the certification :)
Every time I walk into a bar it's always like Ooooh, tell me again how
CFHttp works? It's so exciting when you talk about parsing CSV
I actually had the lack of a CF certification held strongly against me about
2-3 years ago in a job interview. Whether the piece of paper means
something or not, I doubt it hurts to have when someone also has many years
of experience with CF. With that said though, I still have yet to get
around
Lol, I would seriously have to question the kinda of bars you
frequent...
:)
I think I've been to that bar *shudder*
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-Original Message-
From: Ben Nadel
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Fri Dec 15 17:39:46 2006
Subject: RE: Certification
What are you talking about?!?!??!?! The ladies love the certification :)
Every time I walk into a bar it's always like Ooooh, tell me again how
On 12/15/06, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And indeed, as you said they do/can show you what you did and do not know
and are a great teaching tool but the actual cert is meaningless.
meaningless is subjective.
You and me and everyone else on this list know that the cert is
I've got my cert in MX 6 and MX 7. It's never helped me. But I don't
regret having it for one simple fact. It will NEVER hurt me.
--
Charlie Griefer
You could get a paper cut...
~|
Create robust enterprise, web RIAs.
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-Original Message-
From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 2:07 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Certification
I've got my cert in MX 6 and MX 7. It's never helped me. But I don't
regret having it for one simple fact. It will NEVER hurt me
Certification is a foundation to the overall process of being a developer.
I would recommend it to anyone who wants to learn what is new about each
revision of ColdFusion.
I assisted in a study group to help people certify and everyone who
regularly attended benefited from the material. We use
, December 15, 2006 1:07 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Certification
I've got my cert in MX 6 and MX 7. It's never helped me. But I don't
regret having it for one simple fact. It will NEVER hurt me.
--
Charlie Griefer
You could get a paper cut
On 12/15/06, Steve Brownlee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've got my cert in MX 6 and MX 7. It's never helped me. But I don't
regret having it for one simple fact. It will NEVER hurt me.
--
Charlie Griefer
You could get a paper cut...
Nuh-uh. It's in a frame :P (and quite nicely
: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 1:59 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Certification
On 12/15/06, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And indeed, as you said they do/can show you what you did and do not
know
and are a great teaching tool
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-Original Message-
From: Burns, John D
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Fri Dec 15 19:18:56 2006
Subject: RE: Certification
I strongly agree. The one other thing to point out is that it's just
like college degrees and even high school diplomas. In reality, they're
really not that hard to get
Certification is a foundation to the overall process of being a developer.
I would recommend it to anyone who wants to learn what is new about each
revision of ColdFusion.
I'd have to say if a developer needs to take an exam to learn new features then
perhaps they aren't a very good
Bryan,
What if it isn't you primary job role?
What about new people?
What about right after a major update release and you want to learn and
certify on the new version ASAP?
People study in many different ways. Some people do well by doing examples
and others are good book learners.
I have been
I'd have to say if a developer needs to take an exam to learn new
features
then
perhaps they aren't a very good developer.
Or perhaps the work they are doing simply doesn't expose them to some of
the more esoteric functions of the language that the exam likely covers.
Being a good developer
I would like to make the point that the certs are not worthless - they answer
the question as to your knowledge for 90% of the interviews you will take...you
will rarely get anyone outright questioning your knowledge of CF if you have
the advanced certification. I haven't gotten the 7 cert
Bryan,
What if it isn't you primary job role?
we are talking about developers...and knowing what they are doing is their job
What about new people?
What about themI'd have them read WACK before putting them through an exam
What about right after a major update release and you want to
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-Original Message-
From: Brian Rinaldi
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Fri Dec 15 18:51:43 2006
Subject: Re: Certification
I would like to make the point
On 12/15/06, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I doubt you would be chosen just because you have a cert, we always test
developers who come for interview and we have turned away many certified
ones who knew jack when it can to real written and oral test.
The non certs were
As I've already said...it may -never- help you. But can you argue
that it could ever hurt to have?
Yes...the opportunity cost of the time wasted getting the useless piece of
paper
;-)
Happy Friday
Cheers
Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems
I have seen where certifications hurt people, not in the CF world but in the
IT world. Back when I was working for a computer parts wholesaler anytime
they were hiring for techs if someone came in saying they had A+
certification that immediately meant they were not going to get hired.
Seeing
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 4:08 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Certification
I have seen where certifications hurt people, not in the CF world but in
the
IT world. Back when I was working for a computer parts wholesaler anytime
they were hiring for techs if someone
But that's really what the exam is, it tests how many tags and functions you
know. There is very little else to it.
-Original Message-
From: Doug Bezona [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 15 December 2006 19:57
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Certification
I'd have to say if a developer needs
to pass.
If you can't pass the test with your existing skills and knowledge, then
what is the point in doing it?
Russ
-Original Message-
From: Brian Rinaldi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 15 December 2006 18:52
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Certification
I would like to make the point
: Snake [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 4:21 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Certification
The study guide is basically a how to pass the certification book.
You wouldn't be allowed to use such a book to pass your school exams, they
would certainly call that cheating.
I did not do
Erm no, haven't you ready any books before ?
-Original Message-
From: Andy Matthews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 15 December 2006 22:30
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Certification
By your definition, any textbook would be considered a how to pass a test
manual right
to improve your skills and knowledge perhaps?
The process of preparing for the test forces you to look into all the nooks
and crannies of CF.
I actually think its a good thing to do when you are first learning CF or
maybe have 1 or 2 years under your belt.
On 12/15/06, Snake [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Maybe for some people.
-Original Message-
From: Michael Traher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 15 December 2006 23:18
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Certification
to improve your skills and knowledge perhaps?
The process of preparing for the test forces you to look into all the nooks
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Maybe for some people.
-Original Message-
From: Michael Traher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 15 December 2006 23:18
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Certification
to improve your skills and knowledge perhaps?
The process of preparing for the test forces you to look
-Original Message-
From: Snake [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 5:21 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Certification
The study guide is basically a how to pass the certification book.
You wouldn't be allowed to use such a book to pass your school exams, they
would certainly
: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, 15 December 2006 13:40
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Certification
Certification is a foundation to the overall process of being a developer.
I would recommend it to anyone who wants to learn what is new about
each revision of ColdFusion
But that's really what the exam is, it tests how many tags and functions you
know. There is very little else to it.
Exactly, which is why it's not an ideal measure of a developer's ability.
The process of studying for one can be of some benefit though, if only to get a
little exposure to
Ben Forta publishes a good book that's geared toward the test. Just watch
the sample questions as many of the answers in the back were wrong.
-Original Message-
From: Donna French [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 10:54 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: OT: Certification,
1. no idea
2. dunno, but i took the exam at CF4.5, and when CF5 came out a few
months later i got a new certificate saying i was a CF5 certified
(advanced) developer.
3. dunno
4. personally, i would wait. I had a vague plan to take the exam again
sometime, but have put this on hold until the cf7
Hi,
1. It seems so from the insider information I saw.
2. Only for a limited period. I took the CF 5 Exam just before the CFMX
release and got a 1 year validation.
3. Don't know of one
4. Wait - unless you have a really good reason for wanting it now.
Kevin Roche
On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 10:20:16
I would not take the CF certification at all. I have did it once, and
the difficulty was very low, I rushed through the examination, and yes I
made an error but that was more less boredom than difficulty.
Besides, a CF certification doesn't have real value over here, maybe it
does have any
On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 10:20:16 -0400, Stephen Lapointe
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For those with some insider knowledge, some questions about CF certification
and Blackstone:
1) Will the Blackstone certification exam become available at about the same
time as the Blackstone product release?
2)
-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 6:03 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: certification experiences/plans?
I'm saying you shouldn't have to be *certified* to be a
partner, if you've got equivalent skills.
When I
Subject: RE: certification experiences/plans?
For example, as a Macromedia partner my developers are
required to be certified. However, as a partner our
certifications are free, so there you go.
-Matt
Do all partners get free certifications or does it depend on your
partner level
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To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 6:53 AM
Subject: RE: certification experiences/plans?
I don't know, but our partner level includes certification vouchers.
Matt Liotta
President CEO
Montara Software, Inc.
http://www.montarasoftware.com/
888-408-0900 x901
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Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 11:09 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: certification experiences/plans?
Whoa...I came in way late on this thread
So is it being said that MM Partners get free certs? If so what
partner
level? how many certs?
Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP
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Subject: RE: certification experiences/plans?
I've never been asked or told my score. I think if someone asked they'd
be in the same group as the testers LOL
J.
John Wilker
Web Applications Consultant, Writer
Macromedia Certified ColdFusion Developer
Founder/President IE CFUG
www.red
Wow -- this has been a great thread -- thanks for all the comments.
I have to agree I'm pretty cynical about the certs -- I had written two
books and been doing ColdFusion for 4 years before I took the time to
certify (and I remember sending the partners@mm folks a nasty letter when
they told me
: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 11:11 AM
Subject: RE: certification experiences/plans?
You can find the details about all the benefits of becoming a partner at
http://spectra15.macromedia.com/overview/na_benefits.cfm.
Matt Liotta
President CEO
Montara Software, Inc.
http://www.montarasoftware.com
,
John Paul Ashenfelter
CTO/Transitionpoint
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Original Message -
From: John Wilker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 11:29 PM
Subject: RE: certification experiences/plans?
I've never been asked or told my score. I think if someone
Ashenfelter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 1:34 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: certification experiences/plans?
Matt,
Well, not to be a pain, but you potentially did pay for it -- in the
extra
$1200 it cost for the Alliance program (vs. Associate).
You get the 3
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- Original Message -
From: John Wilker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 10:10 PM
Subject: RE: certification experiences/plans?
That's one thing about on the spot tests and certifications and what
not. I keep a lot of junk rattling
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To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 11:25 PM
Subject: RE: certification experiences/plans?
At 09:52 PM 1/6/2003 -0500, you wrote:
Anyone else notice how many new books
are hitting the markets these days?
For CFMX, there are 24 listed on Amazon.com, with ~7 coming from
.
http://www.montarasoftware.com/
888-408-0900 x901
-Original Message-
From: John Paul Ashenfelter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 1:43 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: building cert tests (WAS Re: certification
experiences/plans?)
Boy, do I agree. I took
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Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: certification experiences/plans?
Matt,
Well, not to be a pain, but you potentially did pay for it -- in the extra
$1200 it cost for the Alliance program (vs. Associate).
You get the 3 exams, internal-use Studio MX
AM
Subject: RE: building cert tests (WAS Re: certification experiences/plans?)
My favorite interview technique is to provide the candidate with a
program written in a language they aren't familiar with and ask them to
debug a problem. Of course I don't expect them solve it, but I like
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Subject: building cert tests (WAS Re: certification
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the (Advanced, no less)
cert.
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John Paul Ashenfelter
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Subject: Re: certification experiences/plans?
So John
cert tests (WAS Re: certification
experiences/plans?)
My favorite interview technique is to provide the candidate with a
program written in a language they aren't familiar with and ask them to
debug a problem. Of course I don't expect them solve it, but I like to
watch how they going about
(WAS Re: certification experiences/plans?)
My favorite interview technique is to provide the candidate with a
program written in a language they aren't familiar with and ask them to
debug a problem. Of course I don't expect them solve it, but I like to
watch how they going about attempting.
Matt
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