: Thursday, July 14, 2005 7:55 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Not to start a flame war.
Using code-behind (asp.net class) and web forms (viewstate) are two of the
MAJOR advantages of using ASP.NET.
Code-behind is nice, but I've seen it become a pain in the arse with
really big
Cutter (CF-Talk) wrote:
hhhmmm, sounds like mach-ii, or fusebox, or...
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I would like as civilized discussion on the differences between .NET and
ColdFusion MX7 Enterprise.
I know all the arguments of free vs. licensing, ease of language, ect and I
am not looking to rehash those.
I would like a break down of features one has and the other doesn't, such as
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From: Nathan Strutz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 5:09 PM
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dave wrote:
hehe
But seriously, if you are a .net developer and m$ comes in and says
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Ian Skinner wrote:
quote
(cfhttp, cffile, cfftp, flash forms, cfchart, cfdump, cfreport,
cfdocument, flash remoting, omg, where to stop? ).
/quote
Is it fair and unbiased
Using code-behind (asp.net class) and web forms (viewstate) are two of the
MAJOR advantages of using ASP.NET.
Code-behind is nice, but I've seen it become a pain in the arse with
really big applications. You wind up with all this controller code
spread through hundreds of pages / components,
Declare the file to write to and write.
Dim FSO As FileStream = File.OpenWrite(file.txt)
FSO.Write(Content)
Don't forget to close your stream. CF does it automatically. Oh, and
does your operation need a FileStream, BinaryStream, or StreamReader?
This is a nice example of the CF approach
.
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From: Joe Rinehart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 7:55 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Not to start a flame war.
Using code-behind (asp.net class
Journals
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From: Joe Rinehart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 8:10 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Not to start a flame war.
Declare the file to write to and write.
Dim FSO As FileStream = File.OpenWrite(file.txt
You wind up with all this controller code spread through hundreds of pages
/ components
What does that mean? Controller code?
Er..controller code is what's in your code-behind. See
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnpatterns/html/DesPageController.asp
..
: Re: Not to start a flame war.
You wind up with all this controller code spread through hundreds of
pages
/ components
What does that mean? Controller code?
Er..controller code is what's in your code-behind. See
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnpatterns
http://www.promoteware.com/Module/Article/ArticleView.aspx?id=10
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From: Ian Skinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 11:26 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Not to start a flame war.
I would like as civilized discussion on the differences between .NET
From: Jacob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.promoteware.com/Module/Article/ArticleView.aspx?id=10
Seems a little MS Heavy. Also, look at the test notes...
Test Notes: Each application was executed on identical Compaq Proliant
servers; J2EE was tested on two Application Servers, one of
Not to pour gas on a flame war, but...
Notice the extension on the following page. Think it is a completely
objective article? Also note their business is selling .net web
modules.
Just a thought.
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capital
to form a corporation.
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Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 2:36 PM
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Subject: RE: Not to start a flame war.
http://www.promoteware.com/Module/Article/ArticleView.aspx?id=10
Okay.. to be balanced.
http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/mx/coldfusion/articles/cf_aspnet06.html
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From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 11:47 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Not to start a flame war.
LOL, thats only a WEE bit biased!
how
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From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 11:47 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Not to start a flame war
To try to contribute something to the discussion, I have a few thoughts.
Each of these application servers is a tool. Each can do pretty much
the same thing as the others, although the syntax and methodologies
differ. All can read from a db. All can create PDF files. All can
index and search
a flame war.
Okay.. to be balanced.
http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/mx/coldfusion/articles/cf_aspnet06.html
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From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 11:47 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Not to start a flame war.
LOL, thats only a WEE
There are two big choices in Web development- Java and .NET. Everything else is
marginal in the corporate world, regardless of what the PHP folks say ;-).
...NET is the Microsoft camp, CFMX is part of the Java camp. That is the core
difference. Does your organization believe in MSFT apps and
: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 2:07 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Not to start a flame war.
No dice... this is referring to classic ASP. .NET is definitely as
full-featured as CF. The point on language accessibility is well-taken
though.
-mark
Subject: RE: Not to start a flame war.
Okay.. to be balanced.
http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/mx/coldfusion/articles/cf_aspnet06.html
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From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 11:47 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Not to start a flame war
: Not to start a flame war.
No dice... this is referring to classic ASP. .NET is definitely as
full-featured as CF. The point on language accessibility is well-taken
though.
-mark
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One of the main benefits that I think ColdFusion has over .NET is the
fact that it is a Macromedia product.
Macromedia is (for now) the undisputed king of Rich Internet
Applications. With Flex and Flash defining the landscape of this part
of the internet, having a backend that is almost
Ah... sorry - I didn't see that... good examples there.
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From: Matt Osbun [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 2:17 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Not to start a flame war.
Go a little further into the article to page 8, where ColdFusion
Technically, that's not the right comparison.
..NET vs Java makes more sense, as they are both comparable runtime
platforms with their own strengths and weaknesses.
I think you mean the difference between ASP.NET and ColdFusion.
It's not easy to compile a list of everything each platform can
/13/2005 3:29 PM
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Cc:
Subject:RE: Not to start a flame war.
One of the main benefits that I think ColdFusion has over .NET is the
fact that it is a Macromedia product.
Macromedia is (for now) the undisputed king of Rich Internet
Applications. With Flex and Flash
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Subject: RE: Not to start a flame war.
One of the main benefits that I think ColdFusion has over .NET is the
fact that it is a Macromedia product.
Macromedia is (for now) the undisputed king of Rich Internet
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Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 3:59 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Not to start a flame war.
And while we're on the subject, asp.net 2.0 is due out this november, I
hear. They say it's supposed to cut down coding by 70%, which, by my
calculations, should bring it down
: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 3:59 PM
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Subject: Re: Not to start a flame war.
And while we're on the subject, asp.net 2.0 is due out this november, I
hear. They say it's supposed to cut down coding by 70%, which, by my
calculations, should bring it down closer
Now I must say that is very well spoken.
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From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 3:07 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Not to start a flame war.
Ian, you need to get a balanced view from some people who have extensive
experience
But only run on windows within InternetExplorer on longhorn...
with 64 bit processors when its not raining...
-Adam
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Never being ones to not paint lofty dreams of future products, but Microsoft
is obviously intending their Avalon
instincts who has not sufficient
capital to form a corporation.
From: Nathan Strutz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 3:59 PM
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Subject: Re: Not to start a flame war.
And while we're on the subject
But only run on windows within InternetExplorer on longhorn...
with 64 bit processors when its not raining...
Rain excluded, that'll be low-end by the time it launches - AMD are
already prepping 64bit Sempron's (their current low-end CPU).
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fixed development methodology. Projects are currently assigned to an
individual programmer to do with as he/she best can. So, I would say
. Run code run. Please!
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From: Robert Munn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 12:14 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Not to start a flame war.
There are two big choices in Web development- Java and .NET
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From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 12:19 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Not to start a flame war
:19 PM
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Subject: Re: Not to start a flame war.
your willingness to always look at things openly and objectively never
ceases to amaze... :)
On 7/13/05, dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
They say it's supposed to cut down coding by 70%,
oh great, so
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From: Nathan Strutz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 12:37 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Not to start a flame war.
Technically, that's not the right comparison.
..NET vs Java makes more sense, as they are both
is also your other main
factor. The ability to change to Linux/Unix/Windows is obviously a huge
perk with CF.
Mike
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From: Ian Skinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 3:42 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Not to start a flame war.
Can anybody
dave wrote:
hehe
But seriously, if you are a .net developer and m$ comes in and says they will
reduce the code by 70% wouldnt that seriously worry you?
Yeah, the whole magical thing they do, translating an ASP.NET page to a
class, and the viewstate hidden form field thing they create does
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From: Nathan Strutz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 12:37 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Not to start a flame war.
Technically
Yeah, the whole magical thing they do, translating an ASP.NET
page to a class, and the viewstate hidden form field thing
they create does scare me. It does seem to work, but the way
they pull it off is just kinda... creepy.
You mean like the way CF pages get compiled as servlets, and
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Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 2:07 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Not to start a flame war.
Here is how I see it.
If the majority of your developers know CF, then stick with that. It
costs more (both time money) to learn .Net than it does to learn CF.
.Net may
Ian Skinner wrote:
quote
(cfhttp, cffile, cfftp, flash forms, cfchart, cfdump, cfreport, cfdocument,
flash remoting, omg, where to stop? ).
/quote
Is it fair and unbiased to say that it is easier to do these things in
ColdFusion then ASP.NET?
Yep.
reading/writing a file is generally
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From: Clint Tredway [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 2:07 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Not to start
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Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 2:31 PM
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Subject: Re: Not to start a flame war.
since i mainly use Eclipse for all my dev (as, cf, php, etc) my tools
are free :)
Figure spending 1-2k per employee on training or more for .Net
Yeah, I don't trust that either.
Or the way c++ compiles into assembly. Not for me, no thanks.
ok ok i see your point.
The difference is I know how CF does the translation. I can even easily
see how ASP classic worked, simple to comprehend. But ASP.NET and the
web page event context through
: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 2:31 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Not to start a flame war.
since i mainly use Eclipse for all my dev (as, cf, php, etc) my tools
are free :)
Figure spending 1-2k per employee on training or more for .Net
On 7/13/05, Ian
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