On 8/27/06, Phillip Senn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Denny,
Where is your blog?
I think I'll just use blogger beta, but I haven't added anything yet.
Been sorta wishy-washy on what direction I want to go, want to be able to
move
my posts if I want, etc... I'd use blogCFC if I had a personal CF
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From: Denny Valliant
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Sun Aug 27 01:28:55 2006
Subject: Re: Top 100 ColdFusion Programmers
On 8/25/06, Ali Awan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I second that.
In terms of SQL prowess being an indication of a developer's skills, some
of the reporting I
On 8/27/06, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Knowing SQL is a v.important part of the whole package. No excuse for not
knowing a decent about of T-SQL.
LOL.
I've got a freakishly long, and irreparably inconcise draft response to
Aaron, but
I think I'll just create a blog,
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From: Denny Valliant
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Sun Aug 27 09:45:42 2006
Subject: Re: Top 100 ColdFusion Programmers
On 8/27/06, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Knowing SQL is a v.important part
Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote:
Knowing SQL is a v.important part of the whole package.
I very much agree.
No excuse for not knowing a decent about of T-SQL.
I very much disagree. First of all, I think that writing anything but the most
trivial stored procedures is something that is
I think this is quite true, especially for the contract programmer who
works on various sites, for multiple clients, on differing platforms.
However, for those who are part or, for example, a particular
Education or Government entity with a single, standard web
infrastructure platform, I think
I think knowlege is worthwhile on its own merit. I think the more
you know about all of the disciplines related to web technologies the
better.
However in 10 years I have never seen a routine done with a SP that
couldnt also be done by some other method. I think stored procedures
are only
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From: Jochem van Dieten
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Sun Aug 27 10:38:11 2006
Subject: Re: Top 100 ColdFusion
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Sun Aug 27 12:05:06 2006
Subject: Re: Top 100 ColdFusion Programmers
I think knowlege is worthwhile on its own merit. I think the more
you know about all of the disciplines related to web technologies the
better.
However in 10 years I have never seen a routine done with a SP
I don't care about the other 99, but #1 MUST be Ray Horn.
*flees the country*
On 8/24/06, Block, Jon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
When hiring, it would be helpful to know who out there is the best. When
I run ads, I get all types of Yahoo's who think they know ColdFusion.
I'd like to be able to
Denny,
Where is your blog?
I did a Google search for you, and found some posts, but not your blog address.
Also, the frappr link from Google is a broken photo.
http://www.frappr.com/cfdevelopers/photos/7
I've got a freakishly long, and irreparably inconcise draft response to
Aaron, but
I think
On 8/24/06, Kevin Aebig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Agreed. The intranets and back ends I do make full featured websites look
like a joke.
Me three. Systems where the entire operations of the company get
ported to an intra/extranet.
Although I will admit my life is simplified handily in the
I am much like yourself in regards to PL/SQL and my growth in building
applications. It sometimes comes with some major drawbacks though when I am
working with something I learned in Oracle and find myself in a hole I can
not climb out of. But that has only happened once so far.
On 8/27/06,
PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Top 100 ColdFusion Programmers
When they say the majority of their work is on intranets, extranets or
reporting tools that may be an indication they're doing some pretty
simple
CF scripting. ...
I have to object to this one. I use more ColdFusion features
On 8/25/06, Ali Awan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I second that.
In terms of SQL prowess being an indication of a developer's skills, some
of the reporting I have done, requires an intense knowledge of SQL Server
complex queries and Stored Procedures. Something that your average HTML
guru who
I do not quite follow that, probably from little knowledge of Reactor. When
someone needs to build report, which in my experience is where more complex
SQL skills are needed, how does one do it with Reactor? I thought Reactor
was good for creating what I'd refer to as the nitty/gritty queries
yo will there's something on your nose. right there on the tip...
yeah...something brown...
I've revised my list.
1. Michael Dinowitz
2. Charlie Griefer (The Iceman)
3. Michael Dinowitz
Now you're #2 in my book Charlie. Feel better??
:)
Will
Um Will, do we need even more inflated egos on
Block, Jon wrote:
When hiring, it would be helpful to know who out there is the best. When
I run ads, I get all types of Yahoo's who think they know ColdFusion.
I'd like to be able to see who are the very best ColdFusion coders out
there and try to steal one of them for my company. How do you
featured websites look
like a joke.
!k
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From: Ian Skinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 1:53 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Top 100 ColdFusion Programmers
When they say the majority of their work is on intranets, extranets or
reporting tools
I nominate Massimo Foti for some position in the top 3. While there are other
guys who know as much as he does, there are only VERY few who make efficient
use of the language to solve every-day tasks in an elegant, practical matter.
What I mean, I'd rather have Massimo than Ben Forta on my side
How do you guys find
the absolute best coders when hiring?
It sure isn't based on ANYONE's opinion but mine ;-)
So personally I would find no value in such a list.
If you want to work here you are tested first. If you don't do well enough you
don't get hired.
Besides...I'm sure there are
I think the key is well-rounded Most of us cannot just know CF... We
have to know HTML, css, javascript... We have to know how to cut up images
and make templates.
One of the things I like to do in an interview is ask the interviewee what
they love most about ColdFusion. Most people, in my
A good measure of a good CF developer is typically how much he/she
contributes to the community as a whole. Most of the noteable names of the
CF industry assist others in troubleshooting, providing code samples to
alleviate difficult topics and giving back to their user groups.
Education and
The best are well known but in most cases are either taken already or too
expensive for most people to hire on full time. Who are the best?
Look at who are writing the books/articles and read their material. Look at who
are teaching new concepts in a way that you can understand. Look at who's
I can say for a fact that there are many CFers who - for whatever
reason - never post to the lists. At most they go to conferences, but
they aren't part of the noise of this community. (I say noise in a
nice way of course. ;)
Of course, you do realize that if you make such a list, all you will
do
We just hired two CF developers and it was very, very difficult to find
qualified ones. Google is definitely your friend. A quick search on a
prospect's name can bring up any articles, blog posts, newsgroup/community
questions and other programming affiliations.
Some good indicators of
don't have that much time on my hands.
Snake
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From: Teddy Payne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 24 August 2006 19:10
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Top 100 ColdFusion Programmers
A good measure of a good CF developer is typically how much he/she
contributes to the community
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From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 2:43 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Top 100 ColdFusion Programmers
I can say for a fact that there are many CFers who - for whatever reason
- never post to the lists. At most they go
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From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 2:43 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Top 100 ColdFusion Programmers
I can say for a fact that there are many CFers who - for whatever reason
- never post to the lists. At most they go
of it as well...
!k
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From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 12:45 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Top 100 ColdFusion Programmers
The best are well known but in most cases are either taken already or too
expensive for most people to hire
The sign on my wall says nothing about where I am in the standing, but it
does read, I piss excellence.
!k
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From: Claude Schneegans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 12:48 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Top 100 ColdFusion Programmers
it would
I want 101. I want to stay motivated and hungryand anonymous.
On 8/24/06, Mkruger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'd like to put in a bid for spot number 25 - just enough to boost my ego
but not enough for anyone to go gunning for me... anyone object?
Here's my list.
1. Michael Dinowitz
2. Michael Dinowitz
3. Michael Dinowitz.
Can I get a hell yeah??
Will
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Agreed, I have known a few people who have written books, taught classes,
and/or speak at conferences. When it really came down to it they were
awesome sales people due to their ability to speak on things they truely
could not apply any better or perhaps even worse than the general Joe.
On
On that note, I have to say that this debate thread is nice and all but is
drifting past the point of being a ColdFusion technical thread into being a
general tech debate with lots of me too type comments. I may have to ask
it to be moved to CF-OT soon.
Nu uhyou posted to it too...are
yo will there's something on your nose. right there on the tip...
yeah...something brown...
:)
On 8/24/06, Will Tomlinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Here's my list.
1. Michael Dinowitz
2. Michael Dinowitz
3. Michael Dinowitz.
Can I get a hell yeah??
Will
, 2006 2:59 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Top 100 ColdFusion Programmers
I want to be programmer #0. I count from 0 not 1.
D'oh! *hides*
Teddy =P
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Agreed. The intranets and back ends I do make full featured websites look
like a joke.
!k
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From: Ian Skinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 1:53 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Top 100 ColdFusion Programmers
When they say the majority
I think that all depends on how many things show up from my Amazon wish
list?? Haha.
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From: Andy Matthews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 2:54 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Top 100 ColdFusion Programmers
Who's on track for next year's award
Yeah, I was thinking the exact thing when I read that.
On 8/24/06, Kevin Aebig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Agreed. The intranets and back ends I do make full featured websites look
like a joke.
!k
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To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Top 100 ColdFusion Programmers
The sign on my wall says nothing about where I am in the standing, but
it
does read, I piss excellence.
!k
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From: Claude Schneegans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 12:48 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject
: Thursday, August 24, 2006 2:50 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Top 100 ColdFusion Programmers
I've decided to start giving out an annual award for excellence in
coldfusion programming...coincidentally I am also announcing that I am
the winner this year... :) haha
-Robert
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I was thinking the same thing, not just intranets, but password
protected sites I get removed from the moment the job ends (401(k)
transactional sites, newspaper/magazine production systems, CMS
content managers, true intranets, classified projects, document
management systems).
And the
I want to be programmer #0. I count from 0 not 1.
D'oh! *hides*
Teddy =P
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up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door
When they say the majority of their work is on intranets, extranets or
reporting tools that may be an indication they're doing some pretty simple CF
scripting. ...
I have to object to this one. I use more ColdFusion features working on this
company's intranets and reporting tools then I even
The best are well known but in most cases are either taken already or too
expensive for most people to hire on full time. Who are the best?
Look at who are writing the books/articles and read their material. Look at
who are teaching new concepts in a way that you can understand. Look at
ironically i just read
http://www.softwarebyrob.com/articles/Personality_Traits_of_the_Best_Software_Developers.aspx
via Digg. Quite interesting
DK
On 8/24/06, Michael Dinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The best are well known but in most cases are either taken already or too
expensive
Very true.
On that note, I have to say that this debate thread is nice and all but is
drifting past the point of being a ColdFusion technical thread into being a
general tech debate with lots of me too type comments. I may have to ask
it to be moved to CF-OT soon.
Well to be fair Mikethe
On 8/24/06, Will Tomlinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
yo will there's something on your nose. right there on the tip...
yeah...something brown...
I've revised my list.
1. Michael Dinowitz
2. Charlie Griefer (The Iceman)
3. Michael Dinowitz
Now you're #2 in my book Charlie. Feel better??
Well actually I can kind of see the logic behind it now. We have been
mainly still on CF5 up until recent months and therefore a lot of the people
there do not know a bit about features specific to MX. So if they were to
be asked MX specific questions one might very well get deer in the
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