: Thu May 03 02:08:48 2007
Subject: Re: Which Framework do you use... (if any)
On 5/2/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
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Ok, let's hear the explanation of why and your experiences, I think this
should be in the public domain by whatever means. (blogged, list/off-list)
Sure
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From: Sean Corfield
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Sent: Thu May 03 02:08:48 2007
Subject: Re: Which Framework do you use... (if any)
On 5/2/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
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Ok, let's hear
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From: Charlie Griefer
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Sent: Wed May 02 23:21:28 2007
Subject: Re: Which Framework do you use... (if any)
On 5/2/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
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: Re: Which Framework do you use... (if any)
Neil,
This is an idea i had some time back, when i get soem time i am going to
build it:
http://www.succor.co.uk/index.cfm/2006/4/15/Framework-MATRIX--which-one-to-u
se
On 02/05/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
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And you
On 4/28/07, Dwayne Cole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
1). What framework best manages variable scoping (what should go into the
application scope, what should go into request scope etc)
Most of the frameworks place no restrictions on this sort of thing -
that decision is down to the developer.
On 4/30/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
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No specific named methodology. Frameworks? Model-Glue, Fusebox,
ColdSpring, Transfer.
Interesting. Not Mach-II anymore?
No. I blogged quite a while back about my switch from Mach II to
Model-Glue. That was when I was working on
On 4/30/07, Peterson, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Relating to Frameworks, is there a certain one that scales better
between 2 or more servers, or do they all scale the same as long as you
setup client vars to be in a DB and shared? Does any framework
specifically store internal variables
On 4/30/07, Dwayne Cole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
More specifically, what types of application parameters should be set up at
application initiation.
That's a very open-ended question with no black and white answer.
I put pretty much any per-application config in application scope in
one way
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From: Sean Corfield
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Sent: Wed May 02 21:47:54 2007
Subject: Re: Which Framework do you use... (if any)
On 4/30/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
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No specific named
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Sent: Wed May 02 21:57:01 2007
Subject: Re: Which Framework do you use... (if any)
On 4/30/07, Dwayne Cole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
More specifically, what types of application parameters should be set up
at application initiation.
That's a very open-ended question with no black
On 5/2/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
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So preference aside, this effectively tells me, from you as a top notch OO
developer, is that Model-Glue is better than Mach-II...
I don't think you should draw that conclusion. I could give a long
explanation of why I prefer
On 5/2/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
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So can and will ColdSpring, Transfer and Mach-II play nice?
Mach II has a ColdSpring plugin. You can use either of Reactor or
Transfer (or objectBreeze or whatever) with Mach II / ColdSpring. I'd
say they already play nice.
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From: Sean Corfield
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Sent: Wed May 02 22:08:18 2007
Subject: Re: Which Framework do you use... (if any)
On 5/2/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
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So preference
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On 5/2/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
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So can and will ColdSpring, Transfer and Mach-II play nice?
Mach II has a ColdSpring plugin. You can use either of Reactor or
Transfer (or objectBreeze or whatever) with Mach II / ColdSpring
Jeez. I'm not even the one having it requested of me, and I'm
wondering where the please is.
On 5/2/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
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Ok, let's hear the explanation of why and your experiences, I think this
should be in the public domain by whatever means. (blogged,
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From: Barney Boisvert
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Wed May 02 22:23:33 2007
Subject: Re: Which Framework do you use... (if any)
Jeez. I'm not even the one having it requested of me, and I'm
wondering where the please is.
On 5/2/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil
: Which Framework do you use... (if any)
Jeez. I'm not even the one having it requested of me, and I'm
wondering where the please is.
On 5/2/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
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Ok, let's hear the explanation of why and your experiences, I think this
should
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From: Barney Boisvert
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Wed May 02 22:44:06 2007
Subject: Re: Which Framework do you use... (if any)
But I'm not smart enough?
Even so, that doesn't mean
On 5/2/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
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Since Barney requires I ask and I respect his opinion (even though I think
Sean would realise being a fellow Celt that the email was an invitation)..
Sean, can you please divulge your findings on this?
I didn't get the feeling that
Hi all,
First of all I used FB, MG and MII for different projects. I say always
it depens for FM selection. It depends on your team, project goal,
budget etc. etc.
But I really wonder what would be your reason if you are using MachII
rather than MG?
Imagine that your boss asked to you Ok
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From: Charlie Griefer
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Wed May 02 22:57:05 2007
Subject: Re: Which Framework do you use... (if any)
On 5/2/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
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Since Barney requires I ask and I respect his
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Sent: Wed May 02 23:01:16 2007
Subject: Re: Which Framework do you use... (if any)
Hi all,
First of all I used FB, MG and MII for different projects. I say always
it depens for FM selection. It depends on your team
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Sent: Wed May 02 23:01:16 2007
Subject: Re: Which Framework do you use... (if any)
Hi all,
First
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: Which Framework do you use... (if any)
Hi all,
First of all I used FB, MG and MII for different projects. I say always
it depens for FM selection. It depends on your team, project goal,
budget etc. etc
Developer skillset, personal preference, and the app(s) in question
are the only important criteria. If those were irrelevant, there
would be only one framework in any given arena, because there wouldn't
be anything to differentiate. Competing frameworks arise (like
anything else) because the
On 5/2/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
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Again, I get confused on why it would depend. If this was the case then
it would be easy to choose a framework.
Is it that if you want OO dev you choose Mach-II etc. Disregard skillset
for this, imagine it was an open playing
: Which Framework do you use... (if any)
On 5/2/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
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Again, I get confused on why it would depend. If this was the case then
it would be easy to choose a framework.
Is it that if you want OO dev you choose Mach-II etc. Disregard skillset
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From: Charlie Griefer
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Sent: Wed May 02 23:21:28 2007
Subject: Re: Which Framework do you use... (if any)
On 5/2/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
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Again, I get confused on why it would depend
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From: Charlie Griefer
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Sent: Wed May 02 23:21:28 2007
Subject: Re: Which Framework do you use... (if any)
On 5/2/07
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Wed May 02 23:21:28 2007
Subject: Re: Which Framework do you use... (if any)
On 5/2/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
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Again, I get confused on why it would depend. If this was the case then
it would be easy to choose a framework.
Is it that if you
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From: Barney Boisvert
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Sent: Wed May 02 23:49:20 2007
Subject: Re: Which Framework do you use... (if any)
I would pick Fusebox w/ ColdSpring by default
On 5/2/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
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But to add, I can understand personal preference as it's human nature to
like something as an individual, what I don't yet see is where the it
depends approach comes in to play. We have had skillset, project and
budget as listings.
It's not about the degree of control, it's about the dynamic-ness of
control. With FB, you have to use conditional DO actions for dynamic
flow, while in MG or M-II, you just broadcast an event of your choice.
Either can be used to accomplish the same task, but if you have
highly dynamic flow of
On 5/2/07, Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would pick Fusebox w/ ColdSpring by default. But if the application
processing required a significant number of dynamic state changes at
the controller level, I'd probably go with Model-Glue w/ ColdSpring.
FB's execution path is static, so
On 5/2/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
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Ok, let's hear the explanation of why and your experiences, I think this
should be in the public domain by whatever means. (blogged, list/off-list)
Sure, here's excerpts of a long email exchange I had with someone
about choosing
On Saturday 28 Apr 2007, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote:
Just what frameworks/methologies are people using, if any?
We use Reactor and ColdSpring to underpin a fairly normal n-tier
service/manager methodology.
All our new front-ends are Flex, so we don't have a current CF view layer, but
in
I think a lot of it really depends on your style of coding. The fastest one,
i believe, is the one that best suits your coding style. If your a
procedural programmer the last thing you want to do is start working with
heavy OO based frameworks. Use the tool for the job.
The best framework is
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From: Sean Corfield
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Mon Apr 30 04:31:07 2007
Subject: Re: Which Framework do you use... (if any)
On 4/28/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just what frameworks/methologies are people using, if any?
No specific
Relating to Frameworks, is there a certain one that scales better
between 2 or more servers, or do they all scale the same as long as you
setup client vars to be in a DB and shared? Does any framework
specifically store internal variables in such a way as to preclude the
use of multiple servers
Application.cfm (part of the pre-CF7 built-in application framework).
Short of that, Application.cfc with a private method that gets invoked
onRequestStart. This is inferior, I think, but necessary if you need
some of the other Application.cfc hooks (like onSessionEnd).
And let the flame-war
2007
Subject: RE: Which Framework do you use... (if any)
There must be one which is faster, more productive and which
just seems the best?
Why?
Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
instruction at our training
The best tool for the job depends both on the job that you need to do
and your experience/skill. If you need to pound some nails, a
standard hammer will likely be the best tool for the job, and it's an
easy one to learn how to use. But if you need to pound a LOT of
nails, an air-hammer is
Framework do you use... (if any)
The best tool for the job depends both on the job that you need to do
and your experience/skill. If you need to pound some nails, a
standard hammer will likely be the best tool for the job, and it's an
easy one to learn how to use. But if you need to pound a LOT
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From: Barney Boisvert
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Sun Apr 29 17:39:57 2007
Subject: Re: Which Framework do you use... (if any)
The best tool for the job depends both on the job that you need to do
and your experience/skill. If you need
Well..Why not?
For the same reason that there's not one best of most everything else -
programming languages, wines, movies, etc. A lot of what makes something
best for you is rooted in your own preferences, experience, and goals.
Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
Fig
So what framework or hammer do you all think best handles setting up an
application's global parameters.
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Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 01:20:59 -0400
There must
Application.cfm (part of the pre-CF7 built-in application framework).
Short of that, Application.cfc with a private method that gets invoked
onRequestStart. This is inferior, I think, but necessary if you need
some of the other Application.cfc hooks (like onSessionEnd).
And let the flame-war
On 4/28/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just what frameworks/methologies are people using, if any?
No specific named methodology. Frameworks? Model-Glue, Fusebox,
ColdSpring, Transfer.
from research it seems
people fleet between them etc which seems futile.
I think a
Just what frameworks/methologies are people using, if any? There are the
obvious front-runners such as Mach-II, Model-Glue and Fusebox 5 (and obvious
ORM behind such as ColdSpring, Transfer etc) but from research it seems
people fleet between them etc which seems futile. There must be one which
: Sat Apr 28 12:59:15 2007
Subject: Which Framework do you use... (if any)
Just what frameworks/methologies are people using, if any? There are the
obvious front-runners such as Mach-II, Model-Glue and Fusebox 5 (and obvious
ORM behind such as ColdSpring, Transfer etc) but from research it seems
I use Rails. :)
On 4/28/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just what frameworks/methologies are people using, if any? There are the
obvious front-runners such as Mach-II, Model-Glue and Fusebox 5 (and obvious
ORM behind such as ColdSpring, Transfer etc) but from
Apr 28 15:08:09 2007
Subject: Re: Which Framework do you use... (if any)
I use Rails. :)
On 4/28/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just what frameworks/methologies are people using, if any? There are the
obvious front-runners such as Mach-II, Model-Glue and Fusebox 5
This answer is hard to answer because I really feel it's strongly based on your
development style. Are you an old CF 5 developer that's just getting into the
MX arena (or maybe you're still not there)? - Fusebox is a wonderful framework
for these folks. Are you an OOP junkie? - Mach-II might be
-
From: Jake Pilgrim
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Sat Apr 28 15:44:17 2007
Subject: Re: Which Framework do you use... (if any)
This answer is hard to answer because I really feel it's strongly based on
your development style. Are you an old CF 5 developer that's just getting
into the MX arena (or maybe you're
You will have a hard time convincing me that one methodology is better than
another. You can not separate the methodology from the developer's
(individuals and development shops) acquired skills, preferences, and other
best practices. I bet there are few people who use any one of these
There must be one which is faster, more productive and which
just seems the best?
Why?
Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta,
Chicago,
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