54:37 2007
Subject: Re: Which Framework do you use... (if any)
Neil,
This is an idea i had some time back, when i get soem time i am going to
build it:
http://www.succor.co.uk/index.cfm/2006/4/15/Framework-MATRIX--which-one-to-u
se
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> Ok, let's hear the explanation of why and your experiences, I think this
> should be in the public domain by whatever means. (bl
On 5/2/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
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> Ok, let's hear the explanation of why and your experiences, I think this
> should be in the public domain by whatever means. (blogged, list/off-list)
Sure, here's excerpts of a long email exchange I had with someone
about choosing b
On 5/2/07, Barney Boisvert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I would pick Fusebox w/ ColdSpring by default. But if the application
> processing required a significant number of dynamic state changes at
> the controller level, I'd probably go with Model-Glue w/ ColdSpring.
> FB's execution path is stati
It's not about the degree of control, it's about the dynamic-ness of
control. With FB, you have to use conditional DO actions for dynamic
flow, while in MG or M-II, you just broadcast an event of your choice.
Either can be used to accomplish the same task, but if you have
highly dynamic flow of c
On 5/2/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
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> But to add, I can understand personal preference as it's human nature to
> like something as an individual, what I don't yet see is where the "it
> depends" approach comes in to play. We have had skillset, project and
> budget as li
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I would pick Fusebox w/ ColdSpr
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On 5/2/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
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> Again, I get confused on why it would "depend". If this was the case then
> it would be easy to choose a framework.
>
> Is it that if you want OO
On 5/2/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
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> Again, I get confused on why it would "depend". If this was the case then
> it would be easy to choose a framework.
>
> Is it that if you want OO dev you choose Mach-II etc. Disregard skillset
> for this, imagine it was an open pla
Developer skillset, personal preference, and the app(s) in question
are the only important criteria. If those were irrelevant, there
would be only one framework in any given arena, because there wouldn't
be anything to differentiate. Competing frameworks arise (like
anything else) because the exi
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Hi all,
First of all I used FB, MG and MII for different projects. I say always
"it depens" for FM
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On 5/2/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
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> Since Barney requires I as
Hi all,
First of all I used FB, MG and MII for different projects. I say always
"it depens" for FM selection. It depends on your team, project goal,
budget etc. etc.
But I really wonder what would be your reason if you are using MachII
rather than MG?
Imagine that your boss asked to you "Ok g
On 5/2/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
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> Since Barney requires I ask and I respect his opinion (even though I think
> Sean would realise being a fellow Celt that the email was an invitation)..
>
> Sean, can you please divulge your findings on this?
I didn't get the feeling
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Subject: Re: Which Framework do you use... (if any)
But I'm not smart enough?
Even so, that
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> Jeez. I'm not even the one having it requested of me, and I'm
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Jeez. I'm not even the one having it requested of me, and I'm
wondering where the "please&q
Jeez. I'm not even the one having it requested of me, and I'm
wondering where the "please" is.
On 5/2/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
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> Ok, let's hear the explanation of why and your experiences, I think this
> should be in the public domain by whatever means. (blogged, l
09:14 2007
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On 5/2/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
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> So can and will ColdSpring, Transfer and Mach-II play nice?
Mach II has a ColdSpring plugin. You can use either of Reactor or
Transfer (or objectBreeze or wha
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Subject: Re: Which Framework do you use... (if any)
On 5/2/07, Robertson-Ra
On 5/2/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
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> So can and will ColdSpring, Transfer and Mach-II play nice?
Mach II has a ColdSpring plugin. You can use either of Reactor or
Transfer (or objectBreeze or whatever) with Mach II / ColdSpring. I'd
say they already play nice.
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On 5/2/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
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> So preference aside, this effectively tells me, from you as a top notch OO
> developer, is that Model-Glue is better than Mach-II...
I don't think you should draw that conclusion. I could give a long
explanation of why I prefer Mode
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Subject: Re: Which Framework do you use... (if any)
On 4/30/07, Dwayne Cole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> More specifically, what types of application parameters should be set up
at application initiation.
That's a very open-ende
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On 4/30/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
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On 4/30/07, Dwayne Cole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> More specifically, what types of application parameters should be set up at
> application initiation.
That's a very open-ended question with no black and white answer.
I put pretty much any per-application config in application scope in
one wa
On 4/30/07, Peterson, Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Relating to Frameworks, is there a certain one that scales better
> between 2 or more servers, or do they all scale the same as long as you
> setup client vars to be in a DB and shared? Does any framework
> specifically store internal variab
On 4/30/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
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> > No specific named methodology. Frameworks? Model-Glue, Fusebox,
> > ColdSpring, Transfer.
> Interesting. Not Mach-II anymore?
No. I blogged quite a while back about my "switch" from Mach II to
Model-Glue. That was when I was work
On 4/28/07, Dwayne Cole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 1). What framework best manages variable scoping (what should go into the
> application scope, what should go into request scope etc)
Most of the frameworks place no restrictions on this sort of thing -
that decision is down to the developer. F
I think a lot of it really depends on your style of coding. The fastest one,
i believe, is the one that best suits your coding style. If your a
procedural programmer the last thing you want to do is start working with
heavy OO based frameworks. Use the tool for the job.
The best framework is also
On Saturday 28 Apr 2007, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote:
> Just what frameworks/methologies are people using, if any?
We use Reactor and ColdSpring to underpin a fairly normal n-tier
service/manager methodology.
All our new front-ends are Flex, so we don't have a current CF view layer, but
in
>
>Application.cfm (part of the pre-CF7 built-in application framework).
>Short of that, Application.cfc with a private method that gets invoked
>onRequestStart. This is inferior, I think, but necessary if you need
>some of the other Application.cfc hooks (like onSessionEnd).
>
>And let the flame-
Relating to Frameworks, is there a certain one that scales better
between 2 or more servers, or do they all scale the same as long as you
setup client vars to be in a DB and shared? Does any framework
specifically store internal variables in such a way as to preclude the
use of multiple servers wi
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From: Sean Corfield
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On 4/28/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
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> Just what frameworks/methologies are peo
On 4/28/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Just what frameworks/methologies are people using, if any?
No specific named methodology. Frameworks? Model-Glue, Fusebox,
ColdSpring, Transfer.
> from research it seems
> people fleet between them etc which seems futile.
I think
Application.cfm (part of the pre-CF7 built-in application framework).
Short of that, Application.cfc with a private method that gets invoked
onRequestStart. This is inferior, I think, but necessary if you need
some of the other Application.cfc hooks (like onSessionEnd).
And let the flame-war begi
So what framework or hammer do you all think best handles setting up an
application's global parameters.
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>
>> There m
> Well..Why not?
For the same reason that there's not one best of most everything else -
programming languages, wines, movies, etc. A lot of what makes something
best for you is rooted in your own preferences, experience, and goals.
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Re: Which Framework do you use... (if any)
The best tool for the job depends both on the job that you need to do
and your experience/skill. If you need to pound some nails, a
standard hammer will likely be the best tool for the job, and it's an
easy one to learn how to use. But if you need
The best tool for the job depends both on the job that you need to do
and your experience/skill. If you need to pound some nails, a
standard hammer will likely be the best tool for the job, and it's an
easy one to learn how to use. But if you need to pound a LOT of
nails, an air-hammer is probabl
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Subject: RE: Which Framework do you use... (if any)
> There must be one which is faster, more productive and which
> just seems "the best"?
Why?
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http://www.figleaf.com/
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> There must be one which is faster, more productive and which
> just seems "the best"?
Why?
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You will have a hard time convincing me that one methodology is better than
another. You can not separate the methodology from the developer's
(individuals and development shops) acquired skills, preferences, and other
best practices. I bet there are few people who use any one of these
method
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From: Jake Pilgrim
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Sent: Sat Apr 28 15:44:17 2007
Subject: Re: Which Framework do you use... (if any)
This answer is hard to answer because I really feel it's strongly based on
your development style. Are you an old CF 5 developer that's just getting
into the MX ar
This answer is hard to answer because I really feel it's strongly based on your
development style. Are you an old CF 5 developer that's just getting into the
MX arena (or maybe you're still not there)? - Fusebox is a wonderful framework
for these folks. Are you an OOP junkie? - Mach-II might be
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I use Rails. :)
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> Just what frameworks/methologies are people using, if any? There are the
> obvious front-runners such as M
I use Rails. :)
On 4/28/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
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> Just what frameworks/methologies are people using, if any? There are the
> obvious front-runners such as Mach-II, Model-Glue and Fusebox 5 (and obvious
> ORM behind such as ColdSpring, Transfer etc) but from re
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Just what frameworks/methologies are people using, if any? There are the
obvious front-runners such as Mach-II, Model-Glue and Fusebox 5 (and obvious
ORM behind such as ColdSpring, Transfer etc) but from researc
Just what frameworks/methologies are people using, if any? There are the
obvious front-runners such as Mach-II, Model-Glue and Fusebox 5 (and obvious
ORM behind such as ColdSpring, Transfer etc) but from research it seems
people fleet between them etc which seems futile. There must be one which
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