21, 2005 9:00 AM Subject: Re: Fwd: [Chevelle-list] What to do with my 396??One question is the motor the original motor to the car? if so and you want to keep it in the car. build on a budget in mind . one idea is to build bottom end up the very best you can , Ive always herd that the bottom
Anyone ever run a 396 with the original 3 speed Muncie installed in 1969 with a 3.31 posi unit rear end?
Would like some feed back on this combination.
Thanks Joe
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Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] What to do with my 396??
> Nice Larry! The video is awesome. Wish I had done that at my
> dyno run.
>
> At 09:49 AM 12/21/2005, Larry Shouse wrote:
> >I got:
> >
> >442hp @ 6000rp
sday, December 21, 2005 8:46 PM
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Herb,
I have had discussions for hours about the preload on my BB. GM says
1/2 turn. I have used from 1 turn to 1/4, but never used zero. Not
even Comp Cams will go there.
ject: Re: [Chevelle-list] What to do with
my 396??
Clint,
I have to drive that car as soon as it's
together. You understand that, right? . I'll have to keep my foot out
of it the best I can for sure. I'd hate to spill gears all over the road. But
then again, my insu
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Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 7:55 PM
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Larry,
I tried to enter your engine combo into Dyno2000 and had to make some
guesses (and substitute a head flow file), but the program came really
close
to what y
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Herb,
I have had discussions for hours about the preload on my BB. GM says
1/2 turn. I have used from 1 turn to 1/4, but never used zero. Not
even Comp Cams will go there. I will try Zero for my next trip
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Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 8:45 PM
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Herb Lumpp wrote:
Hi Larry,
My 468 will spin past 7k rpm with a hydraulic roller, but then I built it
with rpm in mind...
It has AFR heads (which fl
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From: "Larry Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
COMP CAMS CCA-11-430-8 MAGNUM RETRO-FIT HYD. ROLLER CAMSHAFT .566 LIFT/280
DURATION
Does anyone out there get 7K rpm with a roller hyd cam?
ough I did get the heads rebuilt, I did not have any porting
or polishing done.
Larry
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Hey Larry, what were your dyno n
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> Larry,
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> I was told by the ma
Deal.
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Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 6:59
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My guess is you will be in the range of
380rwhp/400rwtq. Let me know how close I
ember 21, 2005 1:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] What to do with my 396??
Nice Larry! The video is awesome. Wish I had done that
at my dyno run.
At 09:49 AM 12/21/2005, Larry Shouse wrote:
I got:
442hp @ 6000rpm
467fp
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Nice Larry! The video is awesome. Wish I had done that
at my dyno run.
At 09:49 AM 12/21/2005, Larry Shouse wr
2005 6:12
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Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] What to do
with my 396??
Might not be a bad idea to replace that Saginaw
before venturing out on the road,Larry. Those things were designed for engines
less than 250hp. Your 450hp BBC will certainly grenade it,in due time. That
open re
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Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 1:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] What to do with my 396??
Nice Larry! The video is awesome. Wish I had done that at
my dyno run.
At 09:49 AM 12/21/2005, Larry Shouse
wrote:
I got:
442hp @
Dale is definitely correct. If you have the dyno
sheet,look at the overal torque curve. Ideally,you want one as flat as possible
and the torque peak much lower than the hp peak.
Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001
H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/c
esday, December 21, 2005 6:09
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Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] What to do
with my 396??
Very cool. My engine guy only ran mine up to 5500 rpm on
the dyno and that's where it hit peak hp (460). It should hopefully
redline higher than that and pick up some extra ponies. I&#x
I think if you’re looking for a
killer street motor and not necessarily a racer, look at your torque numbers
and where you have the best torque range. Redline pointers may impress
the ‘looking through the window crowd’ but torque is what you need
to get a (relatively) heavy car moving and
Ever dyno that animal,Herb? Sounds like something closer to 600hp.
Clint Hooper
H&H Custom,owner
1969 El Camino ProTourer
2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger
http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm
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> Hi Larry,
> My 468
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Nice Larry! The video is awesome. Wish I had done that at
my dyno run.
At 09:49 AM 12/21/2005, Larry Shouse wrote:
I got:
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From: "Larry Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
COMP CAMS CCA-11-430-8 MAGNUM RETRO-FIT HYD. ROLLER CAMSHAFT .566 LIFT/280
DURATION
Does anyone out there get 7K rpm with a roller hyd cam?
ber 21, 2005 1:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] What to do with my 396??
Nice Larry! The video is awesome. Wish I had done that at
my dyno run.
At 09:49 AM 12/21/2005, Larry Shouse wrote:
I got:
442hp @ 6000rpm
467fp @ 4250rpm
I hope to get better numbers after it's in
the car
ember 21, 2005 1:16
PM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] What to do
with my 396??
Looking at those numbers,that engine looks a
little high strung. It should easily spin to 7K rpm.
What kinda gear you running in
back,Larry?
Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino
uilt, I did not have any porting or
polishing done.
Larry
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with my 396??
hey Larry..
Thanks for the info..you know exactly what I was talking about..your
motor sounds awesome..nicely done..tom p
Larry Shouse
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Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 1:12
PM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] What to do
with my 396??
Nice Larry! The video is awesome. Wish I had done
that at my dyno run.At 09:49
rs for 25 years. I'll ask them when I
get over there in a week or so.
Larry Shouse
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Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 2:06 PM
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The BBC beehives are relatively new. I've heard they will extend the rev
range from 500-1,000 rpm.
Clint Hooper
H&H Custom,owner
1969 El Camino ProTourer
2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger
http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm
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From: "Larry Williams" <[EMAI
Clint Hooper wrote:
Sorry,didn't notice the hyd roller cam. Was looking at the 6K power peak
which is pretty high.
If he's running the beehive springs,7K rpm is possible.
Clint Hooper
H&H Custom,owner
1969 El Camino ProTourer
2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger
http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/c
Sorry,didn't notice the hyd roller cam. Was looking at the 6K power peak
which is pretty high.
If he's running the beehive springs,7K rpm is possible.
Clint Hooper
H&H Custom,owner
1969 El Camino ProTourer
2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger
http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm
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Hey Larry, what were your dyno numbers again?
At 05:29 AM 12/21/2005, La
hey Larry..
Thanks for the info..you know exactly what I was talking about..your motor
sounds awesome..nicely done..tom p
polishing done.
Larry
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Hey Larry, what were your dyno numbers again?
At 05:29 AM 12/21/2005, Larry Sho
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11:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] What to do
with my 396??
Hey Larry, what were your dyno numbers again?At
05:29 AM 12/21/2005,
Stock BB bottom ends are fine and can handle a
bunch of power. A two-bolt 454 block can easily handle 700hp.
Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001
H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm
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Hey Larry, what were your dyno numbers again?At
05:29 AM 12/21/2005, Larry Shouse wrote:
Tom, Here's what
went into my 396 build: TRW-L2242F30
SPEED-PRO POWER
bject: Re: [Chevelle-list] What to do with my 396??
Thanks Clint..It seems like I spent 2500
blue printing and balancing that 400..What about a roller cam? not
really familiar with them, but hear a lot of talk about them..I'll keep
you posted..I really want to put the 396 back in there..tom
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with my 396??
You probably don't need alum heads to see the 400hp mark,Tom. A good
valve job and maybe a little pocket porting/bowl work will have your oval
p
Eddie, I thunk you meant 7's in the 1/8 didn't
you?
Mike
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Subject: Re: Fwd: [Chevelle-list] What to
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One question is
t. Tom PFrom: "Clint Hooper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: "The Chevelle Mailing List" Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] What to do with my 396??Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:35:12 -0600How much of a budget do you have to spend?Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer200
Sweet.-Original Message- From: Larry Shouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Dec 21, 2005 8:29 AM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] What to do with my 396??
Tom,
Here's what went into my 396 build:
TRW-L2242F30 SPEED-PRO POWER FORGED PISTONS
MOLLY R
click here:
www.fuglybrothers.com/videos/dyno-setup.wmv
Larry Shouse
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Hydraulic rollers are the way to go,IMO,if you can afford the extra cost.
They ain't cheap,though.
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Thanks Clint..It seems like I spent 2500 blue printing and balancing that
400..What about a roller cam? not really familiar with them, but hear
a lot of talk about them..I'll keep you posted..I really want to put the 396
back in there..tom
Well,,let's count up some numbers. All the headwork w/valve job will
probably run around $500. The induction system will probably run another $500 or
more. A good flat tappet cam kit and HEI will cost another $400-500. Add another
$500-750 for a complete exhaust system. Add another $500 or mo
Hey Clint.
What would you think that would cost, any idea on a ball park figure?
tom
Man.Clint..you're the best, that's exactly what I needed to hear..what I've
missed most about the big blocks is when you're sitting at the stop light and
it's just loping (sp?), seems like it's just about gonna die, know what I
mean? That's where I'm trying to get to..haha..Man I was almost t
You probably don't need alum heads to see the 400hp mark,Tom. A good valve
job and maybe a little pocket porting/bowl work will have your oval port
heads ready to go. Add an Edelbrock Performer RPM intake,750-800cfm
Holley,hydraulic cam kit of around 235 degrees duration @ .050 with around
.
Hey Clint.
Budget? I'm wondering if there are budgets involved with this
obsession we all have..Just kidding, I wanna make it right so I probably have
one just not sure what it is..I haven't had to do this since I had my 1977
Blazer 400 redone in the late 80's..I would like to get a healthie
How much of a budget do you have to spend?
Clint Hooper
H&H Custom,owner
1969 El Camino ProTourer
2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger
http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm
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Tom, if I ever do another motor one way or another, it
will always have a bit a porting and smoothing around
the intak and exhaust ports. Other than good parts
selection and proper degreeing of the cam, thats a
great start.
Good luck, keep us posted.
mike
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Tom
Right in our back door is B
R E Beck Racing Engines. 602-477-1700
beckracingengines.com
Hope that helps Tom If you
need any other help you can reach m
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Subject: [Chevelle-list] What to do with
my 396??
Merry Christmas & Happy Holidays.
Well, I thought I was almost done with my car..was spurred on with the
recent paint your engine posts so I thought I'
Merry Christmas & Happy Holidays.
Well, I thought I was almost done with my car..was spurred on with the
recent paint your engine posts so I thought I'd like to pull the engine and
check a few things while I had it out to paint and found a can of worms..looks
like I'm going to have to rebui
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