Re: [CinCVS] libcinelerra3

2007-08-26 Thread Jason van Gumster
"Bradley A. Hare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jason van Gumster wrote: > > > I regularly use Cinelerra on one of three machines: an > > eight-year-old box with an Athlon XP 2500+, a laptop with a > > hyperthreaded 3GHz P4, and another laptop with a dual core > > Turion64. > Interesting thanks

Re: [CinCVS] libcinelerra3

2007-08-26 Thread Bradley A. Hare
Jason van Gumster wrote: I regularly use Cinelerra on one of three machines: an eight-year-old box with an Athlon XP 2500+, a laptop with a hyperthreaded 3GHz P4, and another laptop with a dual core Turion64. Interesting thanks - I would have bet on heavier hardware. Can't imagine that A

Re: [CinCVS] libcinelerra3

2007-08-25 Thread Jason van Gumster
"Bradley A. Hare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jason van Gumster wrote: > > I can't be the only one who's done successful complex editing in > > Cinelerra. I do fair amount of of work, professionally and > > independently, and while I'll admit Cinelerra isn't perfect, it > > certainly does the j

Re: [CinCVS] libcinelerra3

2007-08-25 Thread Graham Evans
Bradley A. Hare wrote: Jason van Gumster wrote: I can't be the only one who's done successful complex editing in Cinelerra. I do fair amount of of work, professionally and independently, and while I'll admit Cinelerra isn't perfect, it certainly does the job for me on the projects I choose to u

Re: [CinCVS] libcinelerra3

2007-08-25 Thread Bradley A. Hare
Jason van Gumster wrote: I can't be the only one who's done successful complex editing in Cinelerra. I do fair amount of of work, professionally and independently, and while I'll admit Cinelerra isn't perfect, it certainly does the job for me on the projects I choose to use it on. Could you de

Re: [CinCVS] libcinelerra3

2007-08-25 Thread Jason van Gumster
Since other "silent" users are busting out of the woodwork to voice their opinions, I'm compelled to spit my two cents on all of the recent discussion. ;) Mark Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Bradley A. Hare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Working minimal functionality that can be maintained.

Re: [CinCVS] libcinelerra3

2007-08-25 Thread Bradley A. Hare
Mark Carter wrote: I've taken to hacking away a bit at the code - and alas I broke my version. One thing that leaps out is all those case statements, esp. wrt colour models. I may be being too niaive, but I'd really like to see some kind of method of getting a grip on that. I looked at the f

Re: [CinCVS] libcinelerra3

2007-08-25 Thread Mark Carter
From: Bradley A. Hare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Working minimal functionality that can be maintained. I might be > wrong, others > seem to have been more successful at this than I have, I just want to use Cinelerra for more casual amateur use, rather than professional. I've found Cinelerra rather

Re: [CinCVS] libcinelerra3

2007-08-25 Thread Bradley A. Hare
Valentina Messeri wrote: YOU..you're simply talking about your experience, do'you really think, talking about "educational purposes" that propietary tools worth the while? I could understand "profesional purpose", cause people got so used to their propietary tools and they, obviously, think

Re: [CinCVS] libcinelerra3

2007-08-25 Thread Bradley A. Hare
Mark Carter wrote: HV is undoubtedly a better programmer than me. I think he wrote it in a way that made sense for him. He wrote most of the code, so he pretty much knows the score of what's going on in it. But what works for him may not work for everybody else. Certainly there is a lot of cr

Re: [CinCVS] libcinelerra3

2007-08-25 Thread Herman Robak
On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 00:10:42 +0200, Christian Thaeter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Herman Robak wrote: (about interlacing) Here is how I think it should go: 1) Split out the fields, putting them after one another on the timeline. 2 a) Line-double or interpolate them up to full vertical re

Re: [CinCVS] libcinelerra3

2007-08-25 Thread Herman Robak
On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 13:24:01 +0200, Valentina Messeri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: In it's present state I'm afraid that it would be an exercise in frustration that would totally defeat the purpose. For now Final Cut Pro or Final Cut Express seats make a lot more sense. They work flawlessly, ev

Re: [CinCVS] libcinelerra3

2007-08-25 Thread Mark Carter
> I would worry about the architecture of the thing first. Right > now the code extremely tangled with many opportunities for > non-deterministic behavior. I assume that's why everyone is arguing > about a re-write. My own opinion is that a re-design is > needed first. HV is undoubtedly a

Re: [CinCVS] libcinelerra3

2007-08-25 Thread Valentina Messeri
hi, :D i really don't want start a flame, hehehhe, only "make some observations" about the way you start you large mail. I've been lurking here for a while, but this thread has been too much to resist. I would very much like to find an open source solution for video editing that could b

Re: [CinCVS] libcinelerra3

2007-08-25 Thread Bradley A. Hare
I've been lurking here for a while, but this thread has been too much to resist. I would very much like to find an open source solution for video editing that could be used locally for educational purposes, but right now I can't recommend Cinelerra as I have never been able to get it working wel

Re: [CinCVS] libcinelerra3

2007-08-24 Thread Derek McTavish Mounce
I'm know, I'm brining this thread monstrously off topic, but there are a few more things I need to respond to... :) > To me, the "distance" theory sounds too much like rationalisation. Think about it this way: The smooth motion of 50hz and 60hz is far closer to what our eyes see in reality, so w

Re: [CinCVS] libcinelerra3

2007-08-24 Thread Christian Thaeter
Herman Robak wrote: > On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 21:58:55 +0200, Derek McTavish Mounce > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Forgot this. More of a question on what you mean exactly: >> >>> An NLE that deals >>> with TV material (not just cinematic stuff) ought to be able to >>> preserve interlacing through

Re: [CinCVS] libcinelerra3

2007-08-24 Thread Herman Robak
On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 21:41:57 +0200, Derek McTavish Mounce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think you are writing from a user's perspective. From the user's perspective, Cinelerra is "almost there". I agree. In terms of features, Cinelerra is near-complete. Or so it seems, at least. True

Re: [CinCVS] libcinelerra3

2007-08-24 Thread Herman Robak
On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 21:58:55 +0200, Derek McTavish Mounce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Forgot this. More of a question on what you mean exactly: An NLE that deals with TV material (not just cinematic stuff) ought to be able to preserve interlacing throughout the workflow, no matter how many e

Re: [CinCVS] libcinelerra3

2007-08-24 Thread Derek McTavish Mounce
Forgot this. More of a question on what you mean exactly: >An NLE that deals >with TV material (not just cinematic stuff) ought to be able to >preserve interlacing throughout the workflow, no matter how many >effects or transformations you throw in. It is absolutely not possible to apply a trans

Re: [CinCVS] libcinelerra3

2007-08-24 Thread Derek McTavish Mounce
> I think you are writing from a user's perspective. From the user's > perspective, Cinelerra is "almost there". I agree. In terms of features, > Cinelerra is near-complete. Or so it seems, at least. True enough, user I am. Though I have enough experience in programming to be at least sligh

Re: [CinCVS] libcinelerra3

2007-08-24 Thread Ichthyostega
can't agree more, thanks for pointing this out, Herman! Herman Robak schrieb: > > If you are going to question a _developer's_ rationale for rewriting the > progam from scratch, you have to get a feel on how developing Cinelerra is. ... > Interlacing is not going away soon. ... > And 50Hz inte

Re: [CinCVS] libcinelerra3

2007-08-22 Thread Herman Robak
On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 20:14:32 +0200, Derek McTavish Mounce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Interesting thoughts, Richard. While I do think that Cinelerra could use a deal of refactoring and general cleaning up, I very much agree that a completely new base is not necessary. A lot of work has been p

Re: [CinCVS] libcinelerra3

2007-08-21 Thread Derek McTavish Mounce
Interesting thoughts, Richard. While I do think that Cinelerra could use a deal of refactoring and general cleaning up, I very much agree that a completely new base is not necessary. A lot of work has been put into what's already here, and it would be a shame to lose it. Your three suggestions -

Re: [CinCVS] libcinelerra3

2007-08-21 Thread Derek McTavish Mounce
Interesting thoughts, Richard. While I do think that Cinelerra could use a deal of refactoring and general cleaning up, I very much agree that a completely new base is not necessary. A lot of work has been put into what's already here, and it would be a shame to lose it. Your three suggestions -

[CinCVS] libcinelerra3

2007-08-21 Thread Richard Spindler
Hi, I just read through these plans for an API to the cinelerra functionality, and I'd like to share my views a little. First of all, I do believe that everyone should hack whatever he wants to, as long as he does it for fun. ;-) Ok, now what I don't like. In my opinion there are already plenty