Re: Serial links [7:28270]

2001-12-07 Thread richard beddow
Michael Williams wrote: For a device (or interface) operating in full-duplex, wouldn't total throughput = total full-duplex throughput?!?!??! I.E. Isn't it a correct statement to say: FastEthernet is capable of a total throughput of 200Mbps? I believe it is. Mike W. Mike, If you

Re: Serial links [7:28270]

2001-12-07 Thread Michael Williams
richard beddow wrote: If you trully beleive this then I fear your are destined for that dark place which is marketing. Ok it is not incorrect but does not give the full picture. I take exception to this comment. If there is one thing that is *preached* by Cisco is that the main advantage of

Re: Serial links [7:28270]

2001-12-07 Thread richard beddow
Mike, I have three final comments then I think enough has been said. 1. Ethernet has always been a half duplex standard until recent times, FDX operation is always quoted therefore to make the distinction from the default. 2. Serial lines, however, since the late seventies-early eighties have

Re: Serial links [7:28270]

2001-12-07 Thread Charles Dowling
Yes I do. Thanks to all for your comments and help. It's always interesting to open a debate on a subject like this. Regards, Charles. richard beddow wrote: Mike, I have three final comments then I think enough has been said. 1. Ethernet has always been a half duplex standard until

Re: Serial links [7:28270]

2001-12-07 Thread Michael Williams
Richard, Sorry for the misread of your humor. You're correct, sometimes text doesn't convey your true spirit. Oh well not a thang =) Here's the damnest thing tho. I've asked many networking professionals, including two CCIEs (not candidates), and no could seem to know 100% about whether

RE: Serial links [7:28270]

2001-12-07 Thread Daniel Cotts
: Serial links [7:28270] Having said that, what are your thoughts on my question about a point to point T1 link at 1.544 Mbps? Is that 768Kbps each way or 1.544each way? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=28423t=28270

Re: Serial links [7:28270]

2001-12-07 Thread MADMAN
I hope your joking. To go thru all that in order to find documnted information. T1's are nothing new nor is full duplex synchronous communications. BTW it's 1.5 in each direction so i spose that makes a T1 a 3M link ;) Dave Michael Williams wrote: Richard, Sorry for the misread of

Re: Serial links [7:28270]

2001-12-07 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
At 10:54 AM 12/7/01, Michael Williams wrote: Richard, Here's the damnest thing tho. I've asked many networking professionals, including two CCIEs (not candidates), and no could seem to know 100% about whether serial links were half or full duplex. Sad, eh? It's not sad. Most serial, WAN

RE: Serial links [7:28270]

2001-12-07 Thread Daniel Cotts
transmit was amplified. N carrier circuits again used four wire. The channels were seperated by frequency. L carrier used coax. Can't remember if one or two cables as I didn't work on it. -Original Message- From: Priscilla Oppenheimer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] m Subject: Re: Serial links

Re: Serial links [7:28270]

2001-12-07 Thread Gaz
bs (1536) each plus framing. I think that the Larscom CSU/DSU manuals have a good tutorial. -Original Message- From: Michael Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Subject: Re: Serial links [7:28270] Having said that, what are your thoughts on my question about a point to point

Re: Serial links [7:28270]

2001-12-07 Thread Gaz
sed four wire. The channels were seperated by frequency. L carrier used coax. Can't remember if one or two cables as I didn't work on it. -Original Message- From: Priscilla Oppenheimer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] m Subject: Re: Serial links [7:28270] Each side has its own dedicated

RE: Serial links [7:28270]

2001-12-07 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
- From: Priscilla Oppenheimer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] m Subject: Re: Serial links [7:28270] Each side has its own dedicated transmit pair. Big deal. That's been the case on WANs since like the 1940s or something. Well, maybe the 1970s. Priscilla Oppenheimer http

RE: Serial links [7:28270]

2001-12-07 Thread Daniel Cotts
oice. 24 channels of 64 kbs (1536) each plus framing. I think that the Larscom CSU/DSU manuals have a good tutorial. -Original Message- From: Michael Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Subject: Re: Serial links [7:28270] Having said that, what are your thoughts on my

Serial links [7:28270]

2001-12-06 Thread Charles Dowling
Hi all, Can anyone tell me if the real bandwidth of a permanent 2Mb serial PPP connection is. What I mean by this is, if you had equal amount of traffic in both directions would you effectively haf 1Mb up and 1Mb down or would it be 2Mb up and 2Mb down. Is a serial connection full duplex or

RE: Serial links [7:28270]

2001-12-06 Thread richard beddow
Charles, Serial lines are full duplex, actual line speed is 2048Kbps. RB. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=28277t=28270 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report

RE: Serial links [7:28270]

2001-12-06 Thread richard beddow
Michael, Is this so?? If so then it is not full-duplex but half-duplex. So why then do cisco say this: The NM-4T serial network module has four synchronous serial interfaces. The network module supports a total full-duplex throughput of 8 megabits per second (Mbps), on this data sheet:

Re: Serial links [7:28270]

2001-12-06 Thread Jason
4T x Duplex x 1 Meg 4 x 2 x 1 richard beddow wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Michael, Is this so?? If so then it is not full-duplex but half-duplex. So why then do cisco say this: The NM-4T serial network module has four synchronous serial interfaces. The

Re: Serial links [7:28270]

2001-12-06 Thread richard beddow
So should the data sheet say total throughput and not total full-duplex throughput?? RB Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=28286t=28270 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info:

RE: Serial links [7:28270]

2001-12-06 Thread Scott Riley
] Subject: Re: Serial links [7:28270] So should the data sheet say total throughput and not total full-duplex throughput?? RB Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=28290t=28270 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription

RE: Serial links [7:28270]

2001-12-06 Thread Michael Williams
RB, First, you can't simply look at a speed and say it's half or full duplex. Full duplex simply means it can send data while simultaneously receiving data. As far as that datasheet, you left out the rest of that sentence you quoted, which says, which can be realized over one port (at 8 Mbps)

Re: Serial links [7:28270]

2001-12-06 Thread Michael Williams
richard beddow wrote: So should the data sheet say total throughput and not total full-duplex throughput?? RB For a device (or interface) operating in full-duplex, wouldn't total throughput = total full-duplex throughput?!?!??! I.E. Isn't it a correct statement to say: FastEthernet

RE: Serial links [7:28270]

2001-12-06 Thread Michael Williams
One last thing from me, and I'll shut up. =) I have to yield the floor here to an authority. I'm sure that serial links can (and many times do) operate in full-duplex mode, but I cannot say that I know for a fact that when you have a 2Mbps serial line that it doesn't yield 4Mbps of total