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Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 4:49 PM
To: Liang Mark J Civ AFRL/PROI; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: To CCIE's without a job [7:12805]
A true engineer is a person who knows what to do, and complete it
successfully.
not someone who can tell people they need to complete this or that. I
: To CCIE's without a job [7:12805]
You sounded like an engineer want a be and don't have an engineering
degree! What you say is true, engineering degree is just a piece of paper
with out experience, but it is a good start a very good start for someone
without experience. It takes hard work
-
From: Baker, Jason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 4:49 PM
To: Liang Mark J Civ AFRL/PROI; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: To CCIE's without a job [7:12805]
A true engineer is a person who knows what to do, and complete it
successfully.
not someone who can tell people
~~~
NEED A JOB ???
http://www.oledrews.com/job
~~~
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From: Curtis Phillips [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 10:37 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: To CCIE's without a job [7:12805]
I would think that you may want
A JOB ???
http://www.oledrews.com/job
~~~
-Original Message-
From: Howard C. Berkowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 10:41 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: To CCIE's without a job [7:12805]
I don't completely agree with either
: To CCIE's without a job [7:12805]
I don't completely agree with either of you. Fact: I don't have an
engineering degree. Fact: I have been a programmer of device
drivers and the like. Fact: my management doesn't want me coding
because they value my design skills more highly. I can mentor
n AND 00101011
or
n NOT 00101011
-Original Message-
From: Howard C. Berkowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 11:34 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: To CCIE's without a job [7:12805]
You forgot Shakespear : to be or not to be
Ole
That's
. Berkowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 10:41 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: To CCIE's without a job [7:12805]
I don't completely agree with either of you. Fact: I don't have an
engineering degree. Fact: I have been a programmer of device
drivers
: To CCIE's without a job [7:12805]
That's a scary thought: CCIEs who develop protocols. ;-]
I know very few respected protocol or platform designers that ever
mentioned having a CCIE. On the other hand, it only occasionally
comes up that one has a PhD, which isn't always in a relevant
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: To CCIE's without a job [7:12805]
I want to deploy DSPF here at work.
- Original Message -
From: Tony Medeiros
To:
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: To CCIE's without a job [7:12805]
I want to be a developer for DSPF
What
Howard and Chuck are both in rare form this evening!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Tim Medley
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2001 10:48 PM
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Subject: RE: To CCIE's without a job [7:12805]
Howard, stop my head is going
]
Subject: RE: To CCIE's without a job [7:12805]
Ole,
I think I know where Priscilla is coming from.
I developed software for 10 years (mainly C/C++)
before turning to Network Engineering. The difference
in the roles in my experience has been dramatic.
Software Engineering
for network software engineering? My guess is I
will I have to read all of Richard Steven's books.
Thanks
Paul
From: Priscilla Oppenheimer
Reply-To: Priscilla Oppenheimer
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: To CCIE's without a job [7:12805]
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 14:37:52 -0400
I'm sure
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I agree with what you said about music and math being correlated, because I
play an instrument and math has always come easy to me ( I know that this is
not evidence enough for a theory like that, but, it works for me ).
My question
: Friday, July 20, 2001 11:39 AM
Subject: RE: To CCIE's without a job [7:12805]
Hi Cisco Kidd,
Once the market turns around again, my guess is that you will have no
problem finding a job with one of the major networking firms. With a
computer science degree and a CCNP, you'll be hot
Drews Jensen
To:
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 1:54 PM
Subject: RE: To CCIE's without a job [7:12805]
The funny thing is when you combine Music, Programming and Mathematics.
I made a Guitar Pascal Unit years ago, and had to figure out the formel
for
how much a frequency changes when you move up
: Priscilla Oppenheimer
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Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 1:52 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: To CCIE's without a job [7:12805]
That's a scary thought: CCIEs who develop protocols.
;-]
They are looking for software engineers. They aren't
going to find many
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: To CCIE's without a job [7:12805]
I want to be a developer for DSPF
What is that?
Dumbest Shortest Path First ?
My name is Johnna Smith and I work for a placement firm in Dallas,
Texas. I am in desperate need of a CCIE that DEVELOPS routing
Message-
From: Phil Barker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 4:56 AM
To: Ole Drews Jensen; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: To CCIE's without a job [7:12805]
Ole,
I think I know where Priscilla is coming from.
I developed software for 10 years (mainly C/C++)
before
???
http://www.oledrews.com/job
~~~
-Original Message-
From: Phil Barker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 4:56 AM
To: Ole Drews Jensen; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: To CCIE's without a job [7:12805]
Ole,
I think I know where
-- but I still read code, write the requirements,
and occasionally tell the developers where to modify the code.
-Original Message-
From: Howard C. Berkowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 1:17 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: To CCIE's without a job [7:12805
:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 1:17 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: To CCIE's without a job [7:12805]
That's a scary thought: CCIEs who develop protocols. ;-]
I know very few respected protocol or platform designers that ever
mentioned having a CCIE. On the other hand
. Berkowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 1:17 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: To CCIE's without a job [7:12805]
That's a scary thought: CCIEs who develop protocols. ;-]
I know very few respected protocol or platform designers that ever
mentioned having a CCIE
wo cents,
mark,
-Original Message-
From: Howard C. Berkowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 1:17 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: To CCIE's without a job [7:12805]
That's a scary thought: CCIEs who develop protocols. ;-]
I know very few respected
Forgive me for sending this here, I know there's a place for job
discussions, but I noticed that there have been several e-mails about how
CCIE's now have a harder time getting jobs.
I received this e-mail (look at the message included after my signature) on
another Cisco list I'm a member of:
That's a scary thought: CCIEs who develop protocols. ;-]
They are looking for software engineers. They aren't going to find many
that have a CCIE? It's a different skill set and requires a different type
of personality.
Priscilla
At 09:41 AM 7/18/01, Ole Drews Jensen wrote:
Forgive me for
Even more scary will be the day that I.T. agents
develop brains.
Phil.
--- Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote:
That's a scary thought: CCIEs who develop protocols.
;-]
They are looking for software engineers. They aren't
going to find many
that have a CCIE? It's a different skill set and
Or...lack there of ;-)
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Priscilla Oppenheimer
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 1:52 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: To CCIE's without a job [7:12805]
That's a scary thought: CCIEs who develop protocols
I want to be a developer for DSPF
What is that?
Dumbest Shortest Path First ?
My name is Johnna Smith and I work for a placement firm in Dallas,
Texas. I am in desperate need of a CCIE that DEVELOPS routing
protocols. I need them to have BGP, DSPF, IS-IS, and MPLS. The must
be a
a job [7:12805]
I want to be a developer for DSPF
What is that?
Dumbest Shortest Path First ?
My name is Johnna Smith and I work for a placement firm in Dallas,
Texas. I am in desperate need of a CCIE that DEVELOPS routing
protocols. I need them to have BGP, DSPF, IS-IS, and MPLS. The must
.
--- Dennis
-Original Message-
From: Tony Medeiros [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 12:42 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: To CCIE's without a job [7:12805]
I want to be a developer for DSPF
What is that?
Dumbest Shortest Path First ?
My name is Johnna
I want to deploy DSPF here at work.
- Original Message -
From: Tony Medeiros
To:
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: To CCIE's without a job [7:12805]
I want to be a developer for DSPF
What is that?
Dumbest Shortest Path First ?
My name is Johnna Smith and I
router rip
- Original Message -
From:
To:
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: To CCIE's without a job [7:12805]
I want to deploy DSPF here at work.
- Original Message -
From: Tony Medeiros
To:
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 1:41 PM
Subject: Re
~~~
-Original Message-
From: William Gragido [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 3:01 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: To CCIE's without a job [7:12805]
There are an awful lot of 'They musts' in her original email, I am sort of
suprised at the reqs.
-Original
That's a scary thought: CCIEs who develop protocols. ;-]
I know very few respected protocol or platform designers that ever
mentioned having a CCIE. On the other hand, it only occasionally
comes up that one has a PhD, which isn't always in a relevant
discipline. I'm amused by the degree
~~~
-Original Message-
From: Priscilla Oppenheimer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 1:52 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: To CCIE's without a job [7:12805]
That's a scary thought: CCIEs who develop protocols. ;-]
They are looking
is that one of those protocols that upper managment uses for making
networking decisions?
-Peter
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 4:08 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: To CCIE's without a job [7:12805]
I want
That would be CSPF--- Cheapest Shortest Path First!
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Peter Slow
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 5:50 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: To CCIE's without a job [7:12805]
is that one of those protocols
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