Re: Getting started with Counterclockwise

2011-01-30 Thread Mike Meyer
Ken Wesson kwess...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Mike Meyer mwm-keyword-googlegroups.620...@mired.org wrote: Ditto.  Most often, the code site is the sole project site, and everything is there. Some larger projects may have a separate home page, but it's always prominently

Re: Getting started with Counterclockwise

2011-01-30 Thread Mike Meyer
Ken Wesson kwess...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 12:07 PM, Mike Meyer mwm-keyword-googlegroups.620...@mired.org wrote: Sure, Sturgeon's law is closer to 99% than 90% for the web.  But if you don't even look at the right page to start with That is why I say it behooves projects that

Re: Getting started with Counterclockwise

2011-01-30 Thread Ken Wesson
On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 12:31 PM, Mike Meyer mwm-keyword-googlegroups.620...@mired.org wrote: Ken Wesson kwess...@gmail.com wrote: That is why I say it behooves projects that wish to grow a large user-base to have a highly-ranked google result be clearly the place for prospective end-users to go

Re: Getting started with Counterclockwise

2011-01-30 Thread Mike Meyer
Ken Wesson kwess...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 12:31 PM, Mike Meyer mwm-keyword-googlegroups.620...@mired.org wrote: Ken Wesson kwess...@gmail.com wrote: That is why I say it behooves projects that wish to grow a large user-base to have a highly-ranked google result be clearly the

Re: Getting started with Counterclockwise

2011-01-30 Thread Ken Wesson
On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Mike Meyer mwm-keyword-googlegroups.620...@mired.org wrote: Ken Wesson kwess...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 12:31 PM, Mike Meyer mwm-keyword-googlegroups.620...@mired.org wrote: Ken Wesson kwess...@gmail.com wrote: That is why I say it behooves

Re: Getting started with Counterclockwise

2011-01-30 Thread Mike Meyer
On Sun, 30 Jan 2011 13:38:24 -0500 Ken Wesson kwess...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Mike Meyer mwm-keyword-googlegroups.620...@mired.org wrote: Ken Wesson kwess...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 12:31 PM, Mike Meyer mwm-keyword-googlegroups.620...@mired.org

Re: Getting started with Counterclockwise

2011-01-30 Thread Ken Wesson
On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Mike Meyer mwm-keyword-googlegroups.620...@mired.org wrote: Not until after they go there once or twice, find confusing project pages with no clear starting point for prospective end users, and form an opinion of the site. :) Yup. Those pages are about as well

Re: Getting started with Counterclockwise

2011-01-30 Thread Mike Meyer
On Sun, 30 Jan 2011 13:51:40 -0500 Ken Wesson kwess...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Mike Meyer mwm-keyword-googlegroups.620...@mired.org wrote: Not until after they go there once or twice, find confusing project pages with no clear starting point for prospective end

Re: Getting started with Counterclockwise

2011-01-30 Thread Ken Wesson
On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Mike Meyer mwm-keyword-googlegroups.620...@mired.org wrote: On Sun, 30 Jan 2011 13:51:40 -0500 Ken Wesson kwess...@gmail.com wrote: But that's neglecting a crucial biasing factor: with project-hosting sites it's very easy to just slap together a few text blurbs

Re: Getting started with Counterclockwise

2011-01-29 Thread Mike Meyer
Laurent PETIT laurent.pe...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/1/20 Ken Wesson kwess...@gmail.com On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 9:39 AM, Rayne disciplera...@gmail.com wrote: Aren't you a developer? I'm not a CCW developer. If a code.google link is the top of google results, that's what I'm going to click

Re: Getting started with Counterclockwise

2011-01-29 Thread Ken Wesson
On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Mike Meyer mwm-keyword-googlegroups.620...@mired.org wrote: Ditto.  Most often, the code site is the sole project site, and everything is there. Some larger projects may have a separate home page, but it's always prominently mentioned on the code site. In

Re: Getting started with Counterclockwise

2011-01-26 Thread Laurent PETIT
2011/1/25 NovusTiro novust...@gmail.com: Hello, Seems like this might be a good time to say thanks to Laurent for all the work he's done on CCW.  FWIW, I've been using it for a while, and never had any issues installing it (at least not from a clean Eclipse), nor any of the other described

Re: Getting started with Counterclockwise

2011-01-25 Thread NovusTiro
Hello, Seems like this might be a good time to say thanks to Laurent for all the work he's done on CCW. FWIW, I've been using it for a while, and never had any issues installing it (at least not from a clean Eclipse), nor any of the other described issues. So thanks Laurent, and keep up the

Re: Getting started with Counterclockwise

2011-01-24 Thread Sean Corfield
On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 7:57 PM, Ken Wesson kwess...@gmail.com wrote: Which tempts me to ask why you decided to bring it up again? :) Because the topic arose again. Because _you_ brought the topic up again. Did you expect a different outcome this time? You know what they say about madness

Re: Getting started with Counterclockwise

2011-01-24 Thread Ken Wesson
On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Sean Corfield seancorfi...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 7:57 PM, Ken Wesson kwess...@gmail.com wrote: Which tempts me to ask why you decided to bring it up again? :) Because the topic arose again. Because _you_ brought the topic up again. Did

Re: Getting started with Counterclockwise

2011-01-23 Thread Ken Wesson
On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 2:07 AM, Sean Corfield seancorfi...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Chas Emerick cemer...@snowtide.com wrote: The links to the users' and developers' google groups for ccw are prominently linked on the right side of the ccw site:

Re: Getting started with Counterclockwise

2011-01-23 Thread Sean Corfield
On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 12:46 AM, Ken Wesson kwess...@gmail.com wrote: http://code.google.com/p/counterclockwise/ And that URL is the #1 Google result for: clojure eclipse And looks to CCW newbies like it's likely to just lead to a code repository, tracker, and CCW-developer-centric mailing

Re: Getting started with Counterclockwise

2011-01-23 Thread Ken Wesson
On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 7:21 PM, Sean Corfield seancorfi...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 12:46 AM, Ken Wesson kwess...@gmail.com wrote: (and this discussion has occurred before about the discoverability of IDE documentation with much the same content and result) It has indeed.

Re: Getting started with Counterclockwise

2011-01-22 Thread Sean Corfield
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Chas Emerick cemer...@snowtide.com wrote: The links to the users' and developers' google groups for ccw are prominently linked on the right side of the ccw site: http://code.google.com/p/counterclockwise/ And that URL is the #1 Google result for: clojure

Re: Getting started with Counterclockwise

2011-01-20 Thread Ken Wesson
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 9:39 AM, Rayne disciplera...@gmail.com wrote: Aren't you a developer? I'm not a CCW developer. If a code.google link is the top of google results, that's what I'm going to click and check out first. code.google is a project hosting site, not just a place to throw up

Re: Getting started with Counterclockwise

2011-01-20 Thread Ken Wesson
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 9:56 AM, Luc Prefontaine lprefonta...@softaddicts.ca wrote: Not reading wiki pages available, not investigating available links about ccw are more a sign of mental laziness than anything else or some form of disdain. Or, they can be a sign of not having been pointed to

Re: Getting started with Counterclockwise

2011-01-20 Thread Laurent PETIT
2011/1/20 Ken Wesson kwess...@gmail.com On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 9:39 AM, Rayne disciplera...@gmail.com wrote: Aren't you a developer? I'm not a CCW developer. If a code.google link is the top of google results, that's what I'm going to click and check out first. code.google is a project

Re: Getting started with Counterclockwise

2011-01-20 Thread Aaron Bedra
You have been asked kindly to change your tone. Are you implying a threat? The next part of your post seemed to descend into name-calling, more threats, and other unconstructive material, so I did not bother to read further. Have a good day. Nobody is implying any threats. They are simply

Re: Getting started with Counterclockwise

2011-01-20 Thread Ken Wesson
On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 8:46 AM, Laurent PETIT laurent.pe...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/1/20 Ken Wesson kwess...@gmail.com On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 9:39 AM, Rayne disciplera...@gmail.com wrote: Aren't you a developer? I'm not a CCW developer. If a code.google link is the top of google results,

Re: Getting started with Counterclockwise

2011-01-20 Thread Luc Prefontaine
Issuing threats against you ? Chasing a fly with a news paper has more value than spending time with you for any purpose. You clearly do not understand what a lot of people have been telling you in different ways. Ignoring you is a much more rational use of my time. Others should come to the

Re: Getting started with Counterclockwise

2011-01-20 Thread Laurent PETIT
2011/1/20 Aaron Bedra aaron.be...@gmail.com Dropped a lot of raaather ininteresting stuff Cheers, Aaron Bedra -- Clojure/core http://clojure.comcl Aaron, From your signature, where I see Clojure/core, I thought that you were maybe a core member of the clojure community. But how

Re: Getting started with Counterclockwise

2011-01-20 Thread Laurent PETIT
Seriously, Aaron, there's a typo in your signature. Take care ;) -- Laurent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be

Re: Getting started with Counterclockwise

2011-01-20 Thread Aaron Bedra
Yep, just fixed that :) Cheers, Aaron Bedra -- Clojure/core http://clojure.com On 01/20/2011 09:36 AM, Laurent PETIT wrote: Seriously, Aaron, there's a typo in your signature. Take care ;) -- Laurent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group.

Re: Getting started with Counterclockwise

2011-01-20 Thread Ken Wesson
On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Luc Prefontaine lprefonta...@softaddicts.ca wrote: Chasing a fly with a news paper has more value than spending time with you for any purpose. ... Oups, need to flush that junk folder again... crap appeared in it again. And some people are claiming that *I*

Re: Getting started with Counterclockwise

2011-01-20 Thread Peter Bell
On Jan 20, 2011, at 9:34 AM, Laurent PETIT wrote: 2011/1/20 Aaron Bedra aaron.be...@gmail.com Clojure/core http://clojure.comcl the url of the website below your title does not work. http://clojure.com I don't think it's that hard to figure out. Personally, I'd rather he continue to

Re: Getting started with Counterclockwise

2011-01-20 Thread Aaron Bedra
On 01/20/2011 10:15 AM, Ken Wesson wrote: On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Luc Prefontaine lprefonta...@softaddicts.ca wrote: Chasing a fly with a news paper has more value than spending time with you for any purpose. ... Oups, need to flush that junk folder again... crap appeared in it

Re: Getting started with Counterclockwise

2011-01-20 Thread ka
I've been using ccw for a while now and it works perfectly as advertised. Plus the new 0.2.0 version looks to be really promising. I invite all ccw users to give their inputs. What's bugging is not that you faced a problem or that ccw didn't work as you expected, what's disturbing is how you

Re: Getting started with Counterclockwise

2011-01-20 Thread Ken Wesson
On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 3:14 PM, ka sancha...@gmail.com wrote: I've been using ccw for a while now and it works perfectly as advertised. Plus the new 0.2.0 version looks to be really promising. I invite all ccw users to give their inputs. What's bugging is not that you faced a problem or that

Re: Getting started with Counterclockwise

2011-01-20 Thread Rayne
Hi Mr. Bell, allow me to introduce you to Mr. Sarcasm. :p On Jan 20, 9:32 am, Peter Bell pe...@pbell.com wrote: On Jan 20, 2011, at 9:34 AM, Laurent PETIT wrote: 2011/1/20 Aaron Bedra aaron.be...@gmail.com Clojure/core http://clojure.comcl  the url of the website below your title does

Re: Getting started with Counterclockwise

2011-01-19 Thread Laurent PETIT
2011/1/19 Meikel Brandmeyer m...@kotka.de Hi, On 19 Jan., 00:28, Luc Prefontaine lprefonta...@softaddicts.ca wrote: Can you provide the plugin list from Eclipse ? (About - Installation details) A while back I ran into a similar problem: a fresh install of eclipse + only ccw didn't

Re: Getting started with Counterclockwise

2011-01-19 Thread Laurent PETIT
2011/1/18 Ken Wesson kwess...@gmail.com On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Chas Emerick cemer...@snowtide.com wrote: Any tone you might have picked up from Laurent might be a reaction to your ranting about how ccw is apparently rubbish rather than asking for help. Well, excse me for

Re: Getting started with Counterclockwise

2011-01-19 Thread Ken Wesson
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 5:13 AM, Laurent PETIT laurent.pe...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/1/18 Ken Wesson kwess...@gmail.com On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Chas Emerick cemer...@snowtide.com wrote: Any tone you might have picked up from Laurent might be a reaction to your ranting about how

Re: Getting started with Counterclockwise

2011-01-19 Thread Rayne
Aren't you a developer? I am. I think everybody else here is as well. If a code.google link is the top of google results, that's what I'm going to click and check out first. code.google is a project hosting site, not just a place to throw up code and developer discussion. It offers wiki services,

Re: Getting started with Counterclockwise

2011-01-19 Thread Luc Prefontaine
Ken, It's always easy to complain and you seem excellent at it. However, to investigate any problem, hard facts are needed to support the fixing process. There are little facts reported in your emails about the problems you experienced according to you regarding ccw. Not reading wiki pages

Re: Getting started with Counterclockwise

2011-01-19 Thread Baishampayan Ghose
I'm big, mean and I hate prima donnas. You would not even try to use that tone with a guy like me. I can vouch for that! Regards, BG -- Baishampayan Ghose b.ghose at gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group,

Re: Getting started with Counterclockwise

2011-01-19 Thread Laurent PETIT
2011/1/19 Luc Prefontaine lprefonta...@softaddicts.ca Ken, It's always easy to complain and you seem excellent at it. However, to investigate any problem, hard facts are needed to support the fixing process. There are little facts reported in your emails about the problems you experienced

Getting started with Counterclockwise

2011-01-18 Thread Ken Wesson
I decided to test-drive CCW to see if it had leapfrogged Enclojure. Apparently not: whereas it was quick and easy to get NB 6.9.1 and Enclojure installed, create a new Clojure project, and get a REPL, trying the same with Eclipse and CCW rapidly hit a snag. The Eclipse download went without a

Re: Getting started with Counterclockwise

2011-01-18 Thread Laurent PETIT
Hi, 2011/1/18 Ken Wesson kwess...@gmail.com I decided to test-drive CCW to see if it had leapfrogged Enclojure. Apparently not: whereas it was quick and easy to get NB 6.9.1 and Enclojure installed, create a new Clojure project, and get a REPL, trying the same with Eclipse and CCW rapidly

Re: Getting started with Counterclockwise

2011-01-18 Thread Laurent PETIT
2011/1/18 Laurent PETIT laurent.pe...@gmail.com Hi, 2011/1/18 Ken Wesson kwess...@gmail.com I decided to test-drive CCW to see if it had leapfrogged Enclojure. Apparently not: whereas it was quick and easy to get NB 6.9.1 and Enclojure installed, create a new Clojure project, and get a

Re: Getting started with Counterclockwise

2011-01-18 Thread Ken Wesson
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 4:46 AM, Laurent PETIT laurent.pe...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, No menu options exist to create a new Clojure namespace .clj file, It does. You should see an option Clojure File in the File Create new menu. I don't. If not, then probably there's a problem with the java

Re: Getting started with Counterclockwise

2011-01-18 Thread Laurent PETIT
2011/1/18 Ken Wesson kwess...@gmail.com On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 4:46 AM, Laurent PETIT laurent.pe...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, No menu options exist to create a new Clojure namespace .clj file, It does. You should see an option Clojure File in the File Create new menu. I don't. If

Re: Getting started with Counterclockwise

2011-01-18 Thread Base
For what it's worth, I installed CCW on Eclipse Helios on Win7 yesterday and it works perfectly. Thanks Laurent! On Jan 18, 9:27 am, Laurent PETIT laurent.pe...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/1/18 Ken Wesson kwess...@gmail.com On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 4:46 AM, Laurent PETIT

Re: Getting started with Counterclockwise

2011-01-18 Thread Ken Wesson
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Laurent PETIT laurent.pe...@gmail.com wrote: That's a bit snarky. But no-one should have to read the documentation just to get it installed and to locate and use the most obvious features that have direct parallels in Enclojure. In particular, no-one has to

Re: Getting started with Counterclockwise

2011-01-18 Thread Chas Emerick
On Jan 18, 2011, at 3:22 AM, Ken Wesson wrote: I could use the new-generic-file option to create files with the .clj extension and maybe I'd even get Clojure syntax highlighting and indenting in the editor if I did so; I didn't bother to check. Lack of any apparent way to launch a project

Re: Getting started with Counterclockwise

2011-01-18 Thread Ken Wesson
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Chas Emerick cemer...@snowtide.com wrote: Any tone you might have picked up from Laurent might be a reaction to your ranting about how ccw is apparently rubbish rather than asking for help. Well, excse me for assuming, quite reasonably, that if, after an

Re: Getting started with Counterclockwise

2011-01-18 Thread Chas Emerick
On Jan 18, 2011, at 2:01 PM, Ken Wesson wrote: Tangentially, IMO it'd be nice if tooling troubleshooting discussions didn't hit this list at all, since there are presumably mailing lists and other forums specific to each toolset. Your email is the first place that I encountered the url

Re: Getting started with Counterclockwise

2011-01-18 Thread Luc Prefontaine
We have been using ccw for more than a year here. Never had significant problems with it nor with updates to it. We have been using Eclipse since 2002. Can you provide the plugin list from Eclipse ? (About - Installation details) Luc P. On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 10:21:50 -0500 Ken Wesson

Re: Getting started with Counterclockwise

2011-01-18 Thread Ken Wesson
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Chas Emerick cemer...@snowtide.com wrote: On Jan 18, 2011, at 2:01 PM, Ken Wesson wrote: Tangentially, IMO it'd be nice if tooling troubleshooting discussions didn't hit this list at all, since there are presumably mailing lists and other forums specific to

Re: Getting started with Counterclockwise

2011-01-18 Thread Ken Wesson
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 6:28 PM, Luc Prefontaine lprefonta...@softaddicts.ca wrote: We have been using ccw for more than a year here. Never had significant problems with it nor with updates to it. We have been using Eclipse since 2002. Can you provide the plugin list from Eclipse ? (About -

Re: Getting started with Counterclockwise

2011-01-18 Thread blcooley
On Jan 18, 9:14 pm, Ken Wesson kwess...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Chas Emerick cemer...@snowtide.com wrote: On Jan 18, 2011, at 2:01 PM, Ken Wesson wrote: Tangentially, IMO it'd be nice if tooling troubleshooting discussions didn't hit this list at all, since

Re: Getting started with Counterclockwise

2011-01-18 Thread Ken Wesson
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 10:36 PM, blcooley blcoo...@gmail.com wrote: On Jan 18, 9:14 pm, Ken Wesson kwess...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Chas Emerick cemer...@snowtide.com wrote: The links to the users' and developers' google groups for ccw are prominently linked on

Re: Getting started with Counterclockwise

2011-01-18 Thread Meikel Brandmeyer
Hi, On 19 Jan., 00:28, Luc Prefontaine lprefonta...@softaddicts.ca wrote: Can you provide the plugin list from Eclipse ? (About - Installation details) A while back I ran into a similar problem: a fresh install of eclipse + only ccw didn't work on my machine. Mysteriously using the same files