more things named atomic is just gonna
> add to the confusion.
I'm confused by your confusion. :) This isn't "adding one more
thing"... it's naming the group to focus on _the_ thing.
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> > No way to do this with SPC?
> Well dracut copies the mdadm software into the initramfs - I don't know how
> that
> would fly with an SPC.
*mumbles something about dracut-spc which contains all this initramfs
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le the two-week Atomic Host
> > continues underneath?) Plus, possible multiple images for different
> > cluster roles; I dunno.
> I kind of think you want to stop calling them releases to be honest.
> They aren't releases in the grand Fedora sense of the word. They're
> bundled
have bandwidth for more deliverables, but
would be glad to consult. We'll need to a) rely on a lot of automation
and b) bring in new people.
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anticipate this being more than a rubber stamp,
but we should definitely get that stamp.)
6. Submit any (probably several) Change requests to FESCo for required
technical changes, and work with Design, Rel-Eng, QA, and etc. on
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Yes. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=875144
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This assumes that we don't hit any problems in testing.
Just to be clear: if we can get grub2 packaging to a reasonable size, I
don't have a strong opinion.
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degree that makes sense, as Docker
isn't shipped _on_ that image.
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people making
the bits are using the term isn't always obvious to everyone else. It
might be easier to get a few technical users to change their jargon
than it will be to continually explain to incoming contributors that
the words have this precise non-obvious meaning.
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On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 04:35:45AM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
> > I would kinda quibble with that page. I would especially disagree with
> > the text "To put it simply: These are the architectures for which
> > Fedora will delay a release if they are not functional."
the current state of affairs.
Someone should fix the wiki. For now, I've simply removed the line
about blocking the release, but it might be better to have more detail.
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ng" as a technical term... I'm just thinking about
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stand, we do not block F24 on Atomic, however we would
> like to have everything ready and sync F24 and Atomic releases.
I guess I don't see the point of actually literally including the
images in the Alpha compose -- it seems like getting the two-week
prerelease-F24 working is the important par
prerelease images built and passing tests is
important or am I missing something?
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. We're not sure
what happened with this one. (See my other post -- ami-15326925 is
currently there for Fedora Cloud Base HVM in us-west-2.)
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> https://github.com/BD2KGenomics/cgcloud/blob/a1d3d752fd05d35f8b9ce0487af4b7e156ce55d8/core/src/cgcloud/core/fedora_box.py#L30
I'm looking right now and I see ami-15326925 as HVM for us-west-2.
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That's certainly would provide a clear indication that the AMI is no
longer supported, but doesn't seem so nice for your use case.
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at it's really easy for you to just switch to using newer releases
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On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 12:01:34PM -0700, Chris Murphy wrote:
> http://mirrors.rit.edu/fedora/alt/atomic/stable/Cloud_Atomic/x86_64/iso/Fedora-Cloud_Atomic-x86_64-23-20160127.iso
Should be fixed now -- there was a missing ".2" in the filename. Reload
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approval as well, of course, but needs to start somewhere.)
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This should get added
https://aws.amazon.com/about-aws/whats-new/2016/01/announcing-asia-pacific-seoul-region/
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ight. But I am not sure how to communicate it to them.
All of our ticketing systems are scattered everywhere. Perhaps,
someday, Pagure will save us. Until then
https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-websites/
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On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 10:03:46AM +0530, Deepak Shetty wrote:
> Why not provide a image that has root or non-root user with std. passwd ?
> whats the problem with that ?
Security team told us in no uncertain terms to not to. :)
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tools which is more preferable by (some) devs than usign
> vbox/vagrant et al
Yeah, thatis' why the suggestion of testcloud.
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e installer
> for a more complete and flexible install on hardware.
Yeah, I think this might be the way to go, especially as we elevate
Atomic more to the top level.
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seconds. And then for cloud instances _not_ in developer mode, that's
two+ seconds of boot delay every time, for no reason.
I dunno, maybe it's worth it.
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olin), there could be different overlays depending on
needs.
> What are SPCs?
Super-privileged containers. Basically, containers that are meant to
manage the host OS. See
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJIeGnHtIYg from DevConf.cz last year.
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ded packages for the different types of shared storage.
Hi Vincent. I think the plan here is to have Gluster as a
super-privileged container, rather than being on the host. I saw some
hacking around that a little while ago, but I'm not sure of the current
state. I'll check and see what I can find.
is. First, you can use Vagrant, and the provided Vagrant images.
They're basically made for this case. Or, second, you can use the
"testcloud" tool to launch the local
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Local_Test_Cloud
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hardware one by default (but also have the option of virt)
B. Finishing Atomic overlay support; making hardware enablement an overlay
C. Getting all this stuff to work properly in SPCs
D. Something else?
* so is software. *sigh*
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e the same lightweight DHCP library
that systemd does, which in either case is an advantage over ye olde
memory-hungry reference implementation as used by the initscripts
networking.
I'm not saying it's the automatic winner over systemd-networkd, but all
that should be taken into consideration.
-
On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 02:39:41PM -0500, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
> I think the big thing on my list will be OpenShift Origin, which IIRC is
> under review as a package?
Approved! https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1287822
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for and advance this further,
especially since Two Week Atomic is off the ground and running (see
https://getfedora.org/en/cloud/download/atomic.html — thanks
everyone!). Are we ready for the next steps, here?
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a chicken and egg situation. (I can elaborate on that if it's not
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could be working together here that are now duplicating
> > effort simply because of lack of communication.
> At least mattdm knew of it because he mentioned it to me once when I
> was beating my head against the wall with it.
Yeah, there's some discussion here:
https://fedorahosted.or
://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_package_test_plan_creation
and once test cases are created and properly categorized, they actually
will show up right in Bodhi.
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attention around the releases — something that's hard for us to grab at
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could run
Software as a Service), or any other "XaaS" — including file storage
and sync. But we don't currently have a turnkey solution for that.
But, maybe I'm misunderstanding you. Can you explain your needs a
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fits your schedule, and mix and match e.g. CentOS and Fedora containers
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On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 06:45:09PM -0400, Dusty Mabe wrote:
> Right now the last booting atomic image is TC11. If we don't do
> another compose then we won't have an atomic image for release.
Can we release the two-week-atomic autocloud build?
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Also, if promoting Fedora Cloud (or Fedora in general) is interesting
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fcfg-ens3* in
> the
> post installation section of the kickstart file. If there is no other better
> solution than this, I will go ahead and commit that for F23, and master.
+1 -- sounds like the right thing to do.
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Hardware engineer: "No, no, we need to open the hood and figure out
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ou would want to build, deploy and use as is.
Well, let's say we want to ship a Fedora Server role as an Atomic App.
Or, say, Kolab. Where would the nulecule files for that live?
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in the position of thinking they have
to build them themselves, for sure.
> (I suppose Fedora could have its own registry for containers, but not
> sure we want to / are ready to go there.)
The releng team working on this is talking about that as a possible target
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> docker-1.8.2-5.gitcb216be.fc23.x86_64:
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> [1] https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/cloud/2015-September/005832.html
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inmenu/init_simple.lua`?
- usr:
* linux-firmware is the biggest thing here
* python3 is another good chunk
* also kernel modules, but, eh, whatchagonnado
* oh, and of course, grub2.
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Cloud WG -- still need some more there, though!
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from the general gold compose ("traditional")
Plan B: at F23 release, use the images from the traditional compose.
Switch to Two-Week images two weeks later.
Colin says that the Atomic dev team is good with switching to F23 as
the base at F23 release -- no known need to lag.
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ference, the Alpha annoucement is
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F23_Alpha_release_announcement.) it's
fine, but not super-exciting. Can we do better?
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Feedback? I think it looks great.
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On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 04:20:36PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
> All that said, I may be getting a little ahead of myself in excitement
> -- if not everyone is down with this plan, let's figure out what it
> *should* look like. I hope I'm not actually too far off and that all of
> the
loud/ticket/108
With the decision to focus on atomic, we actually have a _lot_ to do
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On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 01:02:10PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
> * Vagrant boxes:
> - same tunir-based test suite in VM environemnt
Followup! Kushal points out that we are testing the KVM vagrant images
in this way, but not testing VirtualBox. (Because we don't have
VirtualBox in
rant images every two weeks. That doesn't seem very sustainable,
though. And, kind of by design, it's likely that the images published
will be the ones from the very night before, allowing for a very short
window for that kind of testing
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ting cloud as a target focus in the first place, I think this is
a good move. But let's do the process. :)
(Apologies if this was already discussed in IRC or somewhere... I
didn't see any mail about it so I figured I'd kick this off.)
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On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 11:38:24AM -0500, Zack Cylinder wrote:
> Alkjsadflkajdflkasjfalsjfaefjwlak
Zack, cat got your keyboard?
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image type in the paragraph right above the download (or launch) link.
But that seems like it might be too much text.
What do you think?
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is churning out in the Fedora 24 time frame but for
> now this is probably best.
My hope is that in that time frame, we can make it simple for
contributors to add tests — that's an easy way to make a meaningful
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*nod* That sounds great.
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this:
Looking for a plain, non-Atomic image optimized for cloud
environments? Download Fedora Cloud Base Image: [...]
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instantiation to try it out, or none at all, or a million.
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On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 02:59:00PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
qcow2 downloads are roughly half-and-half. I don't have stats for
ec2-click-to-launch (because I forgot to ask for them.) And, the
This is averaging a little more than 10 a day, combined base and
atomic. That's after spambots
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Fedora
cloud variant?
Hello...!?!
Many people are at Flock this week. Please have patience.
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On Tue, Aug 04, 2015 at 01:49:57PM +0200, Gabriele Trombini wrote:
Hi all,
as usual marketing team drafted the talking points page [1].
This is great — thanks!
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to dist-git for dockerfiles (part
of https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Layered_Docker_Image_Build_Service),
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there's a lot of change in both projects, think it'd be more confusing
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from that image would be a serious curveball
since most people expect to have Python available on any system
running yum/dnf.
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cloud image people want. It'd probably be bigger, but
that's okay because we'd know _why_. (And I hope with the improvements
we're making on size in general, it wouldn't be too much bigger.)
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On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 02:30:43PM -0400, Matt Micene wrote:
So we are currently the smallest uploaded AMI and consuming the least
amount of available space in base, current version, community AMIs.
Now there's a quote. :)
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of scope for the change itself.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Layered_Docker_Image_Build_Service
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set. What do you think?
Another thing of note: we could talk with Infrastructure about adding
Pagure support to all the new dist-git repos, so they'd all have a web
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they're not
actually offering any claim to trust through this feature.
Is there a way we could structure it differently to get any similar
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On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 07:46:14PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Two_Week_Atomic
Now updated based on some feedback and with a schematic of how I
envision the build→test→release→present process working. If anything in
that looks wrong, let's fix it sooner
in the image build
process. I don't remember the current state.
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to avoid the network traffic.
I'm assuming here that the kernel update itself will act gracefully if
the package isn't there. That's not actually a tested assumption. :)
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awesome people here, but I figured if we're breaking this out from the
main Fedora Cloud edition, it made sense for it to have its own list,
and rather than invent a new one, decided to point to the existing one.
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there need to be policy changes and that's going to be a
giant pile of other work to sort out how that's all going to fit.
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-firmware a Requires(Pre) for
kernel-modules instead of kernel-core?
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On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 11:11:51AM -0400, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
I, for one, care a lot - but have been buried. Sorry.
Yeah, ditto. There was this whole F22 release thing that happened. :)
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installed as fits the use case.
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over the network, creating a new image to then start using as my
baseline.
Agreed — that's where the idea of having a dozen or so images
preconfigured with popular runtimes makes sense. But an image with
_all_ the runtimes doesn't.
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On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 04:48:37PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
Agreed — that's where the idea of having a dozen or so images
preconfigured with popular runtimes makes sense. But an image with
_all_ the runtimes doesn't.
And that said: if we _do_ decide to make Fedora Atomic the primary
focus
there.
Oh, it won't be. The tiniest, thinnest images are in the 10MB range.
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, which is a similar idea. And churn --
well, we have other initiatives aimed at modulating that.
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one of the approaches we've discussed.
well, we have other initiatives aimed at modulating that.
Such as?
Such as the modularization effort we just approved in the council?
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