[Commons-l] Fwd: Re: [Gendergap] Fwd: Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

From the Gendergap list, a really nice post, IMHO, from a newer female user from Australia. Shared with permission. Original Message Subject: Re: [Gendergap] [Commons-l] Fwd: Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 13:52:44 +1000 From: Reply-To: I

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Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

This not about censorship this is about, this is about how we present Commons to a wider audience. This not the work by some recognised artist, nor is it part/segment of from any major work, its just a drawing done by a contributor to Commons. It has no value outside of that context given this it

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

On 5/16/11 11:37 PM, Tobias Oelgarte wrote: > Any action should have a valid reasoning. He exchanged the image with a > rather offending comment to everyone that sees sexuality as an equal > topic to anything else. No, I didn't. This is what I said: "Changing to something that's less fapworth

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

> Another worry: if there's a "quality control board", officially or > unofficially, they can start to take that role too seriously or become > captured by various radical factions. But I guess we have to take that > chance. > > Neil Kandalgaonkar ( ) > That's a no-brainer. They WILL be captured

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

On 5/16/11 8:21 PM, Cary Bass wrote: > We need an active group of contributors who represent at the very least > some cross-section of not only Commons contributors but of interested > re-users of Commons content to actively monitor and maintain the POTD. > This is not the first time that something

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

Absolutely. In my opinion just one statement of "she's got big tits" is enough to make me sick - if this is what makes a featured image, ugh. And "if you don't like it leave" doesn't work for me. Sexist comments like the tits has no place here, and I'd assume if there was an image of a nude man

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

--- On Mon, 16/5/11, Chris McKenna wrote: > From: Chris McKenna > Subject: Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia > Commons > To: "Wikimedia Commons Discussion List" > Date: Monday, 16 May, 2011, 22:21 > On Mon, 16 May 2011, Andreas Kolbe > wrote: > > > > > It seems to

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

Am 16.05.2011 23:20, schrieb Bryan Tong Minh: Op 16 mei 2011 22:53 schreef "Tobias Oelgarte" > het volgende: > > Any > action done without consent (like Jimbo did before) is offensive against > the community, making her mistrusting the WMF, that interfer

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

On 16 May 2011 16:44, Tobias Oelgarte wrote: > A picture showing a naked woman is natural. Come to Germany and enjoy > some time at a FKK (Freie Körper Kultur, eng. Free body culture) beach. > There is nothing pornographic (sexual) about this. They you might want to spend slightly more time on t

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

On Mon, 16 May 2011, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > > It seems to me you are obsessed with the breasts in that image. If someone > argues > against an image with breasts, it is censorship. > > If someone argues against hosting some Wikimedian's technically > semi-competent, > but undistinguished Thomas

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

Op 16 mei 2011 22:53 schreef "Tobias Oelgarte" < tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com> het volgende: > > Any > action done without consent (like Jimbo did before) is offensive against > the community, making her mistrusting the WMF, that interferes with > community decissions. > Your analogy is misplaced

[Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

> What's funny is that you actually think you are arguing against > attempts at censorship; what this demonstrates more than anything else > is that you have deeply misunderstood censorship and what it means. > Unfortunately, you are obviously not nearly open minded enough to > learn from any expla

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

On 16 May 2011 16:44, Chris McKenna wrote: > On Mon, 16 May 2011, geni wrote: > No, why would I? > Whether something is a very good example of educational material or not is > completely independent of whether it is used in the main namespace of a > Wikimedia project. Since Wikimedia projects do

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

On 16 May 2011 16:41, Chris McKenna wrote: > On Mon, 16 May 2011, geni wrote: > >> On 16 May 2011 15:55, Chris McKenna wrote: >>> The subject matter of this image is not sexual. Therefore it is not >>> pornographic. >> >> A semi-naked women posing in a position that accents her secondary >> sexua

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

Am 16.05.2011 22:39, schrieb Nathan: > On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Chris McKenna wrote: > >> I don't know where you get the impression that anyone here is promoting >> any sort of lackadaiscial attitude? >> As far as I read the arguments we have two groups of people, those who >> want to cens

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

On 5/16/11 1:14 PM, Chris McKenna wrote: > > The choice of front-page content is determined by featured pictures. If > you want featured pictures that cannot go on the main page then you have > to define and get consensus on a set of objective criteria that determines > what is and is not acceptbal

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

Am 16.05.2011 22:39, schrieb Nathan: > On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Chris McKenna wrote: > >> I don't know where you get the impression that anyone here is promoting >> any sort of lackadaiscial attitude? >> As far as I read the arguments we have two groups of people, those who >> want to cens

[Commons-l] Re : Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

Who ho ho 127 mails about the POTD :p Could you do this discussion on commons unstead of pollute the mails boxes ? I like this list when it subject is about new features or nice markus' tools... But I don't really like when it talk about never-end debates... On a tous tété un jour, il n'y a

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

--- On Mon, 16/5/11, Chris McKenna wrote: > Actaully, I think it has made the absolutely right choice - > to stick to > it's founding principle of being not censored. > > We best respect our end users by doing exactly what we say > we will do - > i.e. provide an uncensored repository of educat

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Chris McKenna wrote: > I don't know where you get the impression that anyone here is promoting > any sort of lackadaiscial attitude? > As far as I read the arguments we have two groups of people, those who > want to censor images that they do not like or that they

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 12:18 PM, Chris McKenna wrote: > So what is "appropriate for children"? How about - 'not likely to get the student at a typical high school sent to offfice for sexual harrassment, inappropriate usage of school resources, or the website as a whole blocked in typical softwa

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

On 5/16/2011 12:56 PM, Chris McKenna wrote: > On Tue, 17 May 2011, Stephen Bain wrote: >> In this context, applying some sort of 'least surprise' based approach >> to what goes on the main page is simply a reasonable step toward >> protecting a person's right to avoid speech they wish to avoid. > B

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

On Mon, 16 May 2011, Fred Bauder wrote: > > The morals of American prime time TV are not in the running (murder and > mayhem, but no explicit sexual language), but perhaps common sense > notions of what is appropriate for children might be. (for the picture of > the day featured on the front page,

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Stephen Bain wrote: > On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 5:40 AM, Chris McKenna wrote: >> >> Actaully, I think it has made the absolutely right choice - to stick to >> it's founding principle of being not censored. > > Well actually, the founding principle is giving everyone

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

On Mon, 16 May 2011, Stan Shebs wrote: > False dichotomy - intelligent choice of front-page content is orthogonal > to choice of collection content. I'm perfectly content for Commons to > have 100,000+ penis photos, indeed a large number starts to make it > statistically interesting, but that doe

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 5:56 AM, Chris McKenna wrote: > > But who defines what topics are acceptable for a "least surprise" > approach? The community of course, by consensus. > By this principal we should not have on the main page images of humans, > gods, maps of any territory under dispute (Ar

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

> On Mon, 16 May 2011, Cary Bass wrote: > >>> Commons is not censored, if you want a collection of free media that >>> does >>> not offend you or someone else then you are in the wrong place. >> You keep making the same argument, and not actually responding to what >> is being said. Which leaves on

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

Am 16.05.2011 22:05, schrieb Stan Shebs: > On 5/16/11 12:43 PM, Chris McKenna wrote: >> As far as I read the arguments we have two groups of people, those who >> want to censor images that they do not like or that they think other >> people will not like; and those that want to actively stand up fo

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

> that doesn't mean I think that changing > PotD to mean "Penis of the Day" is a good idea. > > Stan An interesting "straw man" Fred ___ Commons-l mailing list Commons-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/commons-l

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

On Mon, 16 May 2011, Cary Bass wrote: >> Commons is not censored, if you want a collection of free media that does >> not offend you or someone else then you are in the wrong place. > You keep making the same argument, and not actually responding to what > is being said. Which leaves one to wonder

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

> Firstly, there's no such founding principle of Commons, and secondly, > "not censored" is not in Commons' mission, which is being addressed. > "Uncensored" is not in the mission of Commons, you're rather blatantly > inserting it here. Creating a culture of surprise and shock is not > fulfilling

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

On 5/16/11 12:43 PM, Chris McKenna wrote: > As far as I read the arguments we have two groups of people, those who > want to censor images that they do not like or that they think other > people will not like; and those that want to actively stand up for the > rights to an uncensored collection of

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

On 05/16/2011 12:43 PM, Chris McKenna wrote: > As far as I read the arguments we have two groups of people, those who > want to censor images that they do not like or that they think other > people will not like; and those that want to actively stand up for the > rights to an uncensored collecti

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

On Tue, 17 May 2011, Stephen Bain wrote: > > In this context, applying some sort of 'least surprise' based approach > to what goes on the main page is simply a reasonable step toward > protecting a person's right to avoid speech they wish to avoid. > But who defines what topics are acceptable for

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

On 05/16/2011 12:40 PM, Chris McKenna wrote: > On Mon, 16 May 2011, Cary Bass wrote: > >> > On 05/16/2011 12:17 PM, Tobias Oelgarte wrote: >>> >> In Japan it is a well known topic, in India i can't see any confusion >>> >> about this image (it is on the mainpage) and Turkey decided to feature >>> >

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

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Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 5:40 AM, Chris McKenna wrote: > > Actaully, I think it has made the absolutely right choice - to stick to > it's founding principle of being not censored. Well actually, the founding principle is giving everyone free access to the sum of human knowledge, which is not quite

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

On Mon, 16 May 2011, Cary Bass wrote: > On 05/16/2011 12:17 PM, Fred Bauder wrote: >> The world wide audience is another matter. >> > And this audience is not well reflected by the lackadaisical attitude > toward end users that pervades our otherwise wonderful Commons community. I don't know wher

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

--- On Mon, 16/5/11, Tobias Oelgarte wrote: > At least you could strike the following from the list: > Japan, India and > Turkey. In > > In Japan it is a well known topic, in India i can't see any > confusion > about this image (it is on the mainpage) and Turkey decided > to feature > this im

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

On Mon, 16 May 2011, Cary Bass wrote: > On 05/16/2011 12:17 PM, Tobias Oelgarte wrote: >> In Japan it is a well known topic, in India i can't see any confusion >> about this image (it is on the mainpage) and Turkey decided to feature >> this image without any concern: >> http://commons.wikimedia.o

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

> On 05/16/2011 12:17 PM, Fred Bauder wrote: >> The world wide audience is another matter. >> > And this audience is not well reflected by the lackadaisical attitude > toward end users that pervades our otherwise wonderful Commons community. > > Cary Yes, we have a long way to go in terms of devel

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

On 05/16/2011 12:17 PM, Tobias Oelgarte wrote: > In Japan it is a well known topic, in India i can't see any confusion > about this image (it is on the mainpage) and Turkey decided to feature > this image without any concern: > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Anime_Girl.svg That is a non-

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

On 05/16/2011 12:17 PM, Fred Bauder wrote: > The world wide audience is another matter. > And this audience is not well reflected by the lackadaisical attitude toward end users that pervades our otherwise wonderful Commons community. Cary ___ Commons-l

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

Am 16.05.2011 21:07, schrieb Cary Bass: > On 05/16/2011 11:57 AM, Chris McKenna wrote: > >> Nor is it the mission of Commons to pander to the sensibilitites, no >> matter how common (and outside the US they really aren't at all) > "Pander" is a word doesn't in the least bit describe what anyone is

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

On 5/16/11 11:56 AM, Fred Bauder wrote: > There is no good reason to conform to blue-nose standards. > This is where I strongly disagree. Rightly or wrongly, the reality is that first-time visitors will make an overall conclusion about Commons based on what they see on the front page, and that

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 3:05 PM, Béria Lima wrote: >> Actually, given that the template was cascade protected by virtue of it >> being on the main page, only administrators can edit it.  You're not an >> administrator on Commons, but you do have a staff flag.  Therefore I'd say >> that's a staff a

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

> On 05/16/2011 11:57 AM, Chris McKenna wrote: > >> Nor is it the mission of Commons to pander to the sensibilitites, no >> matter how common (and outside the US they really aren't at all) > > "Pander" is a word doesn't in the least bit describe what anyone is > suggesting or in fact doing. "(and

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

On 05/16/2011 11:57 AM, Chris McKenna wrote: > Nor is it the mission of Commons to pander to the sensibilitites, no > matter how common (and outside the US they really aren't at all) "Pander" is a word doesn't in the least bit describe what anyone is suggesting or in fact doing. "(and outside t

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

On Mon, 16 May 2011, Cary Bass wrote: > It's not the mission of Commons to force a change of broadly common > sensibilities. Nor is it the mission of Commons to pander to the sensibilitites, no matter how common (and outside the US they really aren't at all), of any one group, no matter how lar

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

> On 05/16/2011 11:48 AM, Fred Bauder wrote: >> Did it ever occur to you that something is wrong with prime-time TV? >> >> Fred > I don't much watch television. > > - and - > > It's not the mission of Commons to force a change of broadly common > sensibilities. > > Cary There is no good reason to

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

On 05/16/2011 11:48 AM, Fred Bauder wrote: > Did it ever occur to you that something is wrong with prime-time TV? > > Fred I don't much watch television. - and - It's not the mission of Commons to force a change of broadly common sensibilities. Cary _

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

On 5/16/2011 1:42 PM, Jeremy Baron wrote: > > Hi Paul, > > How was that implemented? > > How, if at all, do new contribs on the upstream commons propagate to > your fork? > > Does your site allow participation or it's read-only? If read-write > how, if at all, do contribs flow back to commons?

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

> On 05/16/2011 10:16 AM, Manuelt15 wrote: >> >> Hopefully one day you'll understand that US standards don't >> and _*NEVER WILL*_ apply to other countries, so live with it. > Please don't confuse what is not "much of Western Europe and some of > Latin America" sensibilities with "US standards". T

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Cary Bass wrote: > We need an active group of contributors who represent at the very least > some cross-section of not only Commons contributors but of interested > re-users of Commons content to actively monitor and maintain the POTD. > This is not the first time

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

On 05/16/2011 10:16 AM, Manuelt15 wrote: > > Hopefully one day you'll understand that US standards don't > and _*NEVER WILL*_ apply to other countries, so live with it. Please don't confuse what is not "much of Western Europe and some of Latin America" sensibilities with "US standards". This image

Re: [Commons-l] [Gendergap] [Foundation-l] Commons as an art gallery?

Pete Forsyth made what I think is an interesting point on the Gendergap list. Reproduced below, with his permission. > --- On Mon, 16/5/11, Pete Forsyth wrote: > >> From: Pete Forsyth >> Subject: Re: [Gendergap] [Commons-l] Fwd: Photo of the Day on Wikimedia >> Commons >> To: "Increasing fema

Re: [Commons-l] [Foundation-l] Commons as an art gallery?

--- On Mon, 16/5/11, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > From: Andreas Kolbe > Subject: Re: [Commons-l] [Foundation-l] Commons as an art gallery? > To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" , > "Wikimedia Commons Discussion List" , > "Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects" > > Date: Monday,

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

On 05/16/2011 08:19 AM, Stan Shebs wrote: > The photo of the day, and in general the front page, is all about making > good first impressions. All the people who value uncensored images have > already seen Commons by now, and the choice of front page content > doesn't affect them. We need an a

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

Am 16.05.2011 19:17, schrieb Paul Houle: >On 5/16/2011 10:55 AM, Chris McKenna wrote: >> Pornography is defined as: >> "The explicit depiction of sexual subject matter, especially with the sole >> intention of sexually exciting the viewer." >> >> The subject matter of this image is not sexual.

Re: [Commons-l] [Foundation-l] Commons as an art gallery?

Incidentally, that little piece of original art is also the picture of the day on several Wikipedias' main pages; among them the Russian and Bulgarian Wikipedias. The image itself has been nominated for deletion in Commons by User:AndreasPraefcke, as out of scope. A. --- On Mon, 16/5/11, Andrea

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

Hi Paul, How was that implemented? How, if at all, do new contribs on the upstream commons propagate to your fork? Does your site allow participation or it's read-only? If read-write how, if at all, do contribs flow back to commons? How much manual work is required for all of that? Is this avai

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

On 5/16/2011 11:07 AM, Chris McKenna wrote: > I don't know how well such a censored subset would work, given that every > organisation's content policies I am aware of are different to each other, > and the technical challenges associated with censorship, but I am no > expert. I've actually

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons (reverted back)

And Beria has my support. If all of us could modify the main page content because we dont like it... what a chaos. 2011/5/16 Béria Lima > The captions were reverted as well. > _ > *Béria Lima* > (351) 925 171 484 > > *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a pos

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

On 5/16/2011 10:55 AM, Chris McKenna wrote: > Pornography is defined as: > "The explicit depiction of sexual subject matter, especially with the sole > intention of sexually exciting the viewer." > > The subject matter of this image is not sexual. Therefore it is not > pornographic. > It's s

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

Another gendergap thread... this really makes me sick, is all this gendergap thing just to justify in what WMF waste all the millions of dollars from fundraiser? (since only a small part goes to the servers side) I'm out of this list. And remember, if you wanna reach "consensus" on something, discu

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

I agree with Stan Shebs. I would hope that his view is one that most of my fellow editors could embrace. --Walter On May 16, 2011, at 8:19 AM, Stan Shebs wrote: > On 5/16/11 7:55 AM, Chris McKenna wrote: >> On Mon, 16 May 2011, geni wrote: >> >>> On 16 May 2011 09:56, Chris McKenna wrote: >>>

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

On 5/16/2011 10:55 AM, Tobias Oelgarte wrote: Could you explain what you mean with GLAM? Not anyone is used to such terms. Greatings from Tobias Oelgarte http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM -- Wikipedia Regional Ambassador, D.C. Region Wikipedian-in-Residence, Archives of American Art

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

Am 16.05.2011 18:03, schrieb Sarah Stierch: On 5/16/2011 10:32 AM, Tobias Oelgarte wrote: Reading the words of Sarah Stierch, someone could assume that a picture of a naked male is fine. Do we get more female contributers by treating them as some special, out of the oridinary? At the last meetin

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Chris McKenna wrote: > "Not censored" means just that. If you aren't happy that some images that > offend you (or you find offensive on others' behalf) might be displayed > then you should not use Wikimedia Commons. > So if I think goatse.cx shouldn't be on the C

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

On 5/16/2011 11:19 AM, Cecil wrote: 2011/5/16 Andreas Kolbe mailto:jayen...@yahoo.com>> There seems to be a worrying tendency to treat Commons as a gallery for non-notable art. It's an educational project, not a vehicle for self-promotion. A. Actually, Wikipedia is the ed

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

On 5/16/2011 11:00 AM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: Okay, my wife and I will then encourage all the unsigned garage bands we know to upload their original songs to Commons. We know a good dozen, altogether about 50 people. We will nominate our songs for featured status. We will vote for each others' son

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

On 5/16/2011 10:55 AM, Chris McKenna wrote: Pornography is defined as: "The explicit depiction of sexual subject matter, especially with the sole intention of sexually exciting the viewer." The subject matter of this image is not sexual. Therefore it is not pornographic. I'm not here, as I'm s

Re: [Commons-l] Commons as an art gallery?

On 5/16/11 5:40 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > This is really a Foundation topic though. Are projects' main pages there to > showcase Wikimedians' fine art? No. This is a non-issue. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Project_scope#Must_be_realistically_useful_for_an_educational_purpose "Exam

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

On 5/16/2011 10:43 AM, Gnangarra wrote: Tobias Please explain how does one participate when their employment contract specifically states that viewing of sexually explicit material over the internet is a dismissable offense. The issue isnt hosting the image its about where its displayed. A

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

On 5/16/2011 10:32 AM, Tobias Oelgarte wrote: Reading the words of Sarah Stierch, someone could assume that a picture of a naked male is fine. Do we get more female contributers by treating them as some special, out of the oridinary? At the last meetings in Germany i met several women, most compl

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

On Mon, 16 May 2011, Sarah Stierch wrote: > >> This image can be used in educational encyclopaedia articles about >> anime/manga, (female) toplessness, contemporary art, fictional landscapes, >> depictions of humans in art, art produced on computers, debates >> surrounding any of these topics, and

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

Am 16.05.2011 17:38, schrieb Sarah Stierch: On 5/16/2011 9:04 AM, Ryan Kaldari wrote: On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Chris McKenna > wrote: Am I alaone in completely failing to understand what the fuss is about? The image is not pornographic, exploitativ

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

--- On Mon, 16/5/11, Cecil wrote: There seems to be a worrying tendency to treat Commons as a gallery for non-notable art. It's an educational project, not a vehicle for self-promotion. A. Actually, Wikipedia is the educational project, not Commons. Commons is a repository for media of all ki

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

This image can be used in educational encyclopaedia articles about anime/manga, (female) toplessness, contemporary art, fictional landscapes, depictions of humans in art, art produced on computers, debates surrounding any of these topics, and almost certainly many other uses too. If this is w

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

On Mon, 16 May 2011, Sarah Stierch wrote: > > Like I said, which I'm having a feeling wasn't even read by many - you cannot > pull THAT front page of Commons up in a classroom or educational environment > and have it celebrated by a middle school teacher. Some of her kids might > think it's "coo

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

I don't want to comment on the NSFW or educational nature of the image since they are excellent arguments already being made.I just want to ask if Anime/Hentai images are featured on main page, irrespective of the content? Theo On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 9:14 PM, Aaron Adrignola wrote: > On Mon, Ma

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

--- On Mon, 16/5/11, Cecil wrote: And as a girl (or more a long-grown woman) with no real interest in mangas my opinion is that the image has nice colours, is cleanly made and in general aesthetically pleasing. Only complaint: it is a bit kitschy. lg, Cecil Yeah, a but like Thomas Kincade in

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

Am 16.05.2011 17:20, schrieb geni: > On 16 May 2011 15:55, Chris McKenna wrote: >> The subject matter of this image is not sexual. Therefore it is not >> pornographic. > A semi-naked women posing in a position that accents her secondary > sexual characteristics is not sexual? A picture showing a n

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 10:19 AM, Cecil wrote: > Actually, Wikipedia is the educational project, not Commons. > Commons is a repository for media of all kind. There is nowhere the > restriction that a file has to be educational. > Related to another comment posted earlier, this section [1] also

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

On Mon, 16 May 2011, geni wrote: > On 16 May 2011 16:16, Chris McKenna wrote: > >> Commons does not exist solely to provide images to be used here and now on >> online Wikimedia projects. Or are you arguing that every image that is not >> currently in use is not educational? > > Your argument was

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

On Mon, 16 May 2011, geni wrote: > On 16 May 2011 15:55, Chris McKenna wrote: >> The subject matter of this image is not sexual. Therefore it is not >> pornographic. > > A semi-naked women posing in a position that accents her secondary > sexual characteristics is not sexual? > Not necessarily. N

[Commons-l] Commons as an art gallery?

There is a long thread on the Commons and Gendergap lists about today's featured image on Commons: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/commons-l/2011-May/ http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/2011-May/ It's an original piece of art by a Wikimedian, "in the style of" erotic manga: htt

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

On 16 May 2011 17:19, Cecil wrote: > Actually, Wikipedia is the educational project, not Commons. > Commons is a repository for media of all kind. There is nowhere the > restriction that a file has to be educational. > I really do hope you are not an administrator on Commons, since this exact re

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

On 5/16/2011 9:04 AM, Ryan Kaldari wrote: On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Chris McKenna > wrote: Am I alaone in completely failing to understand what the fuss is about? The image is not pornographic, exploitative, illegal or otherwise inapropriate for

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

On 16 May 2011 16:27, Tobias Oelgarte wrote: > Only repesenting images of the Fluffy Bunnies section would have another > side effect. It would not show the diversity of topics people can > contribute to. Even sexual related topics need new authors. Go through http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ca

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

On 16 May 2011 16:16, Chris McKenna wrote: > Commons does not exist solely to provide images to be used here and now on > online Wikimedia projects. Or are you arguing that every image that is not > currently in use is not educational? Your argument was specifically that it was a "very good exa

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

Am 16.05.2011 17:19, schrieb Stan Shebs: > On 5/16/11 7:55 AM, Chris McKenna wrote: >> On Mon, 16 May 2011, geni wrote: >> >>> On 16 May 2011 09:56, Chris McKenna wrote: Am I alaone in completely failing to understand what the fuss is about? >>> Your statement isn't credible. >> I don't unde

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

On Mon, 16 May 2011, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > > Okay, my wife and I will then encourage all the unsigned garage bands we > know to upload their original songs to Commons. We know a good dozen, > altogether about 50 people. We will nominate our songs for featured status. > We will vote for each others

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

On 16 May 2011 15:55, Chris McKenna wrote: > The subject matter of this image is not sexual. Therefore it is not > pornographic. A semi-naked women posing in a position that accents her secondary sexual characteristics is not sexual? > Commons does not presently make this distinction and so yo

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

2011/5/16 Andreas Kolbe > There seems to be a worrying tendency to treat Commons as a gallery for > non-notable art. > > It's an educational project, not a vehicle for self-promotion. > > A. > Actually, Wikipedia is the educational project, not Commons. Commons is a repository for media of all

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

On 5/16/11 7:55 AM, Chris McKenna wrote: > On Mon, 16 May 2011, geni wrote: > >> On 16 May 2011 09:56, Chris McKenna wrote: >>> Am I alaone in completely failing to understand what the fuss is about? >> Your statement isn't credible. > I don't understand what is not credible about my statement? I

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

On Mon, 16 May 2011, geni wrote: > On 16 May 2011 15:29, Chris McKenna wrote: >> On Mon, 16 May 2011, Andreas Kolbe wrote: >> >>> There seems to be a worrying tendency to treat Commons as a gallery for >>> non-notable art. >>> It's an educational project, not a vehicle for self-promotion. >>> A.

Re: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons (reverted back)

The captions were reverted as well. _ *Béria Lima* (351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer.*** 2011/5/16 Neil Kandalgaonkar > Béria L

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