On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 19:40:24 -0400
"Noel J. Bergman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > ... It seems that the newsletter itself is going to the contrary.
> The newsletter is doing that job. All that was asked is that you
> post an announcement to announce@, not the entire contents. Why is
> that a
Hi Tetsuya!
Many people is very interested and apreciate your effort in creating a
kind of "glue" for all the projects under the Apache umbrella. Here
include me too, for sure!
Tetsuya Kitahata dijo:
>
> Nope. I have to resign. The difference of the e-mail culture.
Hmm I can't believe that.
> From: Erik Abele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Announce@ is for announcements, community@ for community musings, and
> *perhaps*
> newsletter@ is for the newsletter. That's it, simple, eh?
+1. (Can still put a short note in announce@)
Cheers,
Berin
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On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote:
> Nope. I have to resign.
Well, thanks for your contribution Tetsuya. I think it is a worthwhile
project, and I hope you reconsider or someone picks it up.
I do believe that there have been some people getting a little too picky
about "policies". I
At 12:41 PM 20/10/2003, you wrote:
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, Tetsuya
Kitahata wrote:
> Nope. I have to resign.
Well, thanks for your contribution Tetsuya. I think it is a
worthwhile
project, and I hope you reconsider or someone picks it up.
I do believe that there have been some people getting a litt
Joshua Slive wrote:
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote:
Nope. I have to resign.
Well, thanks for your contribution Tetsuya. I think it is a worthwhile
project, and I hope you reconsider or someone picks it up.
I do believe that there have been some people getting a little too pic
Hi:
After the Tetsuya decision [http://www.apache.org/~tetsuya/]
Resigned the Editor of the Apache Newsletter (20th October, 2003)
I have encontered feels: sad/angry/fear:
sad:
Because we see us sometimes as managers, that can screams on every member
as they like without respecting the effort
> On the other way, I wonder how Tetsuya gives the job too easily.
There was no strong criticism. Simply the request that instead of the
entire newsletter, an announcement be posted. Other than that, the
newsletter (and Tetsuya's handling of it) have received praise and strong
support.
> > On the other way, I wonder how Tetsuya gives the job too easily.
>
> There was no strong criticism. Simply the request that instead of the
> entire newsletter, an announcement be posted. Other than that, the
> newsletter (and Tetsuya's handling of it) have received praise and strong
> suppor
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
On the other way, I wonder how Tetsuya gives the job too easily.
There was no strong criticism.
I disagree. What I have percieved is quite strong criticism and
something that in some cultures could have been seen as derision.
All this for what I really think is a *trivial*
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 05:38:20 +0100
"David Reid" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > On the other way, I wonder how Tetsuya gives the job too easily.
> > There was no strong criticism. Simply the request that instead of the
> > entire newsletter, an announcement be posted. Other than that, the
> >
> 1. Creation of the [EMAIL PROTECTED] which is an aimed mailinglist
> for the readers of the apache newsletter. -- issued bi-monthly (This
> should depend upon the Editors' decisions, however)
> 2. When "The Apache Newsletter Issue #X" released (on the web),
> the Editor can post to announce@apac
Tetsuya,
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
You did a great job, as usual, on the newsletter, and you should
continue to do so, IMO.
+1, your contribution is very much appreciated.
-John K
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To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For addit
And then we end up with 200 mailinglists, each getting a single message
per month/week/year. Vey efficient. Verrry german. I love it!
Everything in its neat little box. Stamped, filed, put away.
I liked the idea of a general "announce" list where all this stuff is
sent and let my mail client s
I should have followed the intuition of mine which had occured
around 3 months ago or thereabouts.
Before the creation of "The Apache Newsletter",
I should have succeeded in the creation/maintainance of
"Jakarta Newsletter" and "XML Newsletter".
That's what I wanted to do, indeed.
*sigh*
Henning Schmiedehausen wrote:
I very much enjoyed the hard work that Tetsuya put into the newsletter
and I'm very sad to see him step down because of such puny reasons as to
which mailing list this newsletter should be sent.
Me too on both points.
Steve.
--
Stephen J. McConnell
mailto:[EMAIL PROTE
According to Stefano Mazzocchi:
> I *DO* agree that it is, IMO, better to use Noel's suggestion and send
> a short reminder of the newsletter with a link to the web site. I agree
> with Justin as well, nobody likes to read long emails, expecially when
> you didn't ask for them.
Well, I tend to
On Sun, 19 Oct 2003, Joshua Slive wrote:
> I do believe that there have been some people getting a little too picky
> about "policies". In general in the Apache world, and especially in the
> case of the documentation, he who does the work should get to make the
> decisions. Suggesting that the
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 05:38:20 +0100
"David Reid" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > On the other way, I wonder how Tetsuya gives the job too easily.
> > There was no strong criticism. Simply the request that instead of the
> > entire newsletter, an announcement be posted. Other than that, the
> >
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:37:23 +0200
(Subject: RE: Inappropriate use of announce@)
"Sander Striker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Also consider the people that are subscribed to the announce list,
> all 8304 of them.
8304
Great! I have heard from Noel that the number of subscribers to
announce
As the discussion now shows *nobody* is in favour of Tetsuyas
resignation
and *everybody* appreciate[sd] his efforts but it also seems that there
exist some basic misunderstandings, at least I've lost the point
somewhere
last night...
On 20/10/2003, at 10:44, Henning Schmiedehausen wrote:
And th
Sander Striker wrote:
>
> Also consider the people that are subscribed to the announce list, all 8304
> of them. I'm sure they didn't sign up to an announcement list to receive
> 43k emails. If they had wanted that, they would have subscribed to a
> newsletter... ;).
after any announcement to
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
> long ago, when the original httpd announce@apache.org got
> repurposed into a general announcement list, did we say
> anything about what subscribers could expect? do we say
> anything about it now on the page where people learn about
> the list
On Mon, 2003-10-20 at 13:38, Erik Abele wrote:
Hi,
> Well, the threads on this and other similar topics showed that the
> majority
> of our community has a completely different point of view when it comes
> to
> information reception.
Compared to whom? To you, me or Tetsuyo?
>
> To summariz
I've been trying to stay out of all this but the logic here just made me
bite and chime in.
- Original Message -
From: "Erik Abele" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 12:38 PM
Subject: Information channels, Re: Inappropriate use of announce@
[snip]
> I think what Da
I recently read that the smaller an issue is, the bigger a discussion it
gets, as everyone has something to say.
This issue must be pretty trivial then.
In any case, who decides? What is the PMC or "something" overlooking
these things, that can give a reasonable decision and stop all this
nonse
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:13:35 +0200
(Subject: Re: Information channels, Re: Inappropriate use of announce@)
Nicola Ken Barozzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I recently read that the smaller an issue is, the bigger a discussion it
> gets, as everyone has something to say.
>
> This issue must be pr
On 20/10/2003, at 04:43, Henning Schmiedehausen wrote:
Well, the threads on this and other similar topics showed that the
majority
of our community has a completely different point of view when it
comes
to information reception.
Compared to whom? To you, me or Tetsuyo?
EVERYBODY HAS HIS/HER OWN PR
On 20/10/2003, at 04:44, Rob Oxspring wrote:
we know that everybody has
his/her own preferences
Again I would have thought that most of us are grown up enough to
realise
that.
Therefore I wrote '... we [the ASF community] know ...' :)
so why don't we just go with a pull-model instead of
pushing
th
* Henning Schmiedehausen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I liked the idea of a general "announce" list where all this stuff is
> sent and let my mail client sort it out. This is the 21st century. If
> you have bandwidth, disk space or download time concerns, you're either
> not using the right techno
Henning Schmiedehausen wrote:
>
> Any by trying to build "an ideal world for yourself", you basically
> killed whatever enthusiasm or dedication Tetsuya showed. Because you
> offered no support or at least positive feedback but only "we don't like
> this format, this way of posting, this content,
Clearly this mailing list needs a little levity today. Without futher
ado I forward this lame solicitation... As one of my correspondents
commented "Clear Mr. Miller is not a native human-speaker, in fact he
fails the Turning test."...
Begin forwarded message:
From: "Stewart Miller" <[EMAIL
heh. i *wondered* if anyone else got that message..
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