what I wanted to do, indeed.
*sigh*
-- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 01:41:53 +0900
(Subject: Re: Jakarta Newsletter Issue 9 -- May-June 2003)
Tetsuya Kitahata <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Thank you for the comment!!
>
> Well, I think "Jakarta-
On Mon, Jul 14, 2003 at 11:01:16AM +0200, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
>
> Mads Toftum wrote, On 11/07/2003 18.53:
> ...
> >I like the idea of a (bi-)monthly newsletter, but I'd hate to see it
> >being forced on people who didn't want it.
>
> Are there a lot of people here on community@apache.org th
Mads Toftum wrote, On 11/07/2003 18.53:
...
I like the idea of a (bi-)monthly newsletter, but I'd hate to see it
being forced on people who didn't want it.
Are there a lot of people here on community@apache.org that not want to
know, or even care, of what is happening in Apache-land?
Oh well...
-
Tetsuya Kitahata escribió:
Santiago Gala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
It looks amazingly similar to RSS or necho
(http://www.intertwingly.net/wiki/pie/) if we want a more experimental
format :-)
Someone defaced Sam's wiki frontpage. It has been restored by now.
"Necho"? "Echo"?
There are plenty o
Santiago Gala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It looks amazingly similar to RSS or necho
> (http://www.intertwingly.net/wiki/pie/) if we want a more experimental
> format :-)
"Necho"? "Echo"?
"Necho" reminds me of the word "Neko", which is used by
Andy Clark's piece of works... "CyberNeko Parser"
http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?JakartaNewsletterDrafts/Issue10
Please feel free to write the comments on the last (jakarta) newsletter
;-) ... (@ Readers' Voice Section)
... even if the Jakarta Newsletter will be sublimated as "the Apache
Newsletter", your opinions/voices might be
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
1) the ASF publishes a newsletter (following the very nice style used
in the recent Jakarta one) that covers all the ASF endevours. Including
infrastructure, licensing, security, incubation and all the
non-so-project stuff.
2) the newsletter is sent to announce@apache.org
3
Noel J. Bergman escribió:
Something like:
would handle multiple forms, e.g., brief e-mail, full e-mail, web site
edition. Cocoon could handle the entire publishing process, even producing
a downloadable PDF for those who want to read it that way.
--- Noel
I
On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 02:57:13 -0400
(Subject: RE: Jakarta Newsletter Issue 9 -- May-June 2003)
"Noel J. Bergman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > you can't know who are the new committers without taking
> > snapshots of /etc/passwd or /home/cvs/CVSROOT/avail
&g
On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 10:33:14 -0500
Stefano Mazzocchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This is what I would like to see:
>
> 1) the ASF publishes a newsletter (following the very nice style used
> in the recent Jakarta one) that covers all the ASF endevours. Including
> infrastructure, licensing, sec
> But with the obvious caveat that an ASF wide newsletter might become quite
> big if people write major dissertations, I'd rather see nice concise
precis
> of recent activity, and links to more detail text where relevant, I'm more
> likely to read it all that way.
Let's see what happens. :-) An
Noel,
> Personally, I agree with those who feel that the text should be available
> via e-mail, and considering the roughly 1 message per month traffic on
> announce@, it is hard to argue that it is too much volume.
Agreed, I like the jakarta newsletter a lot.
But with the obvious caveat that an
> >> 1) the ASF publishes a newsletter (following the very nice style used
> >> in the recent Jakarta one) that covers all the ASF endevours. Including
> >> infrastructure, licensing, security, incubation and all the
> >> non-so-project stuff.
> >>
> >> 2) the newsletter is sent to announce@apach
Jeff Trawick escribió:
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
This is what I would like to see:
1) the ASF publishes a newsletter (following the very nice style used
in the recent Jakarta one) that covers all the ASF endevours. Including
infrastructure, licensing, security, incubation and all the
non-so-project
On Fri, Jul 11, 2003 at 05:19:26PM +0100, Thom May wrote:
> I'm kinda +0.5; I don't think [EMAIL PROTECTED] should be used (Seperation of
> concerns - news summary != announcement), but aside from
> that I think it's a good idea.
Yeah, I'd really prefer that it was a seperate list - announce seems
Danny,
As I said to you in the broader context, I wasn't saying that community@ is
the right place; just that I think it is hard to call it off-topic if it
covers the whole community.
Actually, announce@ was one of the places I'd suggested in an earlier
message. announce@ has almost no traffic,
> This is what I would like to see:
+1
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* Stefano Mazzocchi ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote :
> This is what I would like to see:
>
> 1) the ASF publishes a newsletter (following the very nice style used
> in the recent Jakarta one) that covers all the ASF endevours. Including
> infrastructure, licensing, security, incubation and all the
> n
On 11/07/2003, at 05:33, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
1) the ASF publishes a newsletter (following the very nice style used
in the recent Jakarta one) that covers all the ASF endevours. Including
infrastructure, licensing, security, incubation and all the
non-so-project stuff.
2) the newsletter is se
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
This is what I would like to see:
1) the ASF publishes a newsletter (following the very nice style used
in the recent Jakarta one) that covers all the ASF endevours. Including
infrastructure, licensing, security, incubation and all the
non-so-project stuff.
2) the newslet
On Fri, 2003-07-11 at 11:33, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
> on 7/11/03 6:07 AM Thom May wrote:
>
> This is what I would like to see:
>
> 1) the ASF publishes a newsletter (following the very nice style used
> in the recent Jakarta one) that covers all the ASF endevours. Including
> infrastructure, l
on 7/11/03 6:07 AM Thom May wrote:
> Why the obsession with email?
push vs. pull
example: we are having this conversation and the information I'm sending
its pushed into your mailbox. I could post this information on a weblog
and then point you to it, but, in my experience, the chance that you
w
On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 12:07:12 +0100
(Subject: Re: Jakarta Newsletter Issue 9 -- May-June 2003)
Thom May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Why the obsession with email?
> We have a (pretty good ;-) ) webserver. Why don't we have a web page?
> www.apache.org/news/monthly
Noel,
> However, in the interests of compromise between those who want just a
> summary with link and those who want the full content, perhaps it would be
> best to post a summary e-mail,
Don't you think annouce@ is the place for that?
If you're worried that subscribers to community@ won't be sub
> > I don't think community@ is a valid place for news of a newsletter
anyway.
> > Perhaps announce@ for those who are interested.
> the jakarta newsletter are verging on OT for community@ as well.
Perhaps, but it seems to me that this discussion has been about taking the
Jakarta Newsletter and t
David Reid wrote:
> I don't think community@ is a valid place for news of a newsletter anyway.
> Perhaps announce@ for those who are interested.
I agree, cross posting sucks in general and annoucements and the jakarta
newsletter are verging on OT for community@ as well.
I'd think that if there i
* David N. Welton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote :
> Ceki G?lc? <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Sending a Java related email on announce@apache.org may breach the
> > possibly implicit contract between the list and its subscribers.
> > However, that seems more like a moral question rather than a
> >
I don't think community@ is a valid place for news of a newsletter anyway.
Perhaps announce@ for those who are interested.
david
- Original Message -
From: "Thom May" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: Jakarta Newsletter Iss
Ceki Gülcü <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> If I understand correctly, you are unwilling to receive one
> Jakarta-related email per month, on say, announce@apache.org mailing
> list. Is that the mailing list being considered?
With more than 15 projects, each one of which would presumably have
the ri
At 10:55 AM 7/11/2003 +0100, you wrote:
For jakarta people. I do very, *very* little work in the Java domain. As
such, having a link sent out to a url where i can peruse the newsletter *if
I so wish* is much better for me than having my bandwidth wasted by an email
that I don't want.
-Thom
If I und
* Ceki G?lc? ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote :
> At 05:10 PM 7/10/2003 -0500, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
> >on 7/10/03 4:21 PM Dirk-Willem van Gulik wrote:
> >
> >> ...
> >>
> >>>one of the consequences of encouraging the breaking up of jakarta is
> >>>that there are a lot more apache projects (whether the
At 05:10 PM 7/10/2003 -0500, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
on 7/10/03 4:21 PM Dirk-Willem van Gulik wrote:
> ...
>
>>one of the consequences of encouraging the breaking up of jakarta is
>>that there are a lot more apache projects (whether they started in
>
> ...
>
>>if we do manage to get some momentum
> From: "Noel J. Bergman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > If there is a widespread objection to posting the newsletter body,
posting a
> > brief notice with link is hard to argue against.
>
> This is true but I'd like to be clearer on what people are objecting to
> first, I understand complaints about cr
- Original Message -
From: "Noel J. Bergman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Stefano Mazzocchi applauded:
> > on 7/10/03 4:21 PM Dirk-Willem van Gulik wrote:
> > I think we should have an apache-wide newsletter and deliver it thru
> > announce@apache.org once a month.
>
> +1 except for the frequen
> you can't know who are the new committers without taking
> snapshots of /etc/passwd or /home/cvs/CVSROOT/avail
AFAICS, committer uids in /etc/passwd started at a particular value, and
monotonically increment for each new user, so couldn't he use that as an
indicator?
--- Noel
> From: Tetsuya Kitahata [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 5:48 AM
[...]
> In creation of "Jakarta Newsletter Issue 9", I tried several things
> by way of experiment.
>
> 1. Announced to all the -dev list (not cross-post) to solicit
> contributors
> 2. Announced here in com
On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 01:24:23 +0100
"Rob Oxspring" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> One point I would like to make though, and not wanting to detract
> from this fantastic issue (thanks Tetsuya!), is that keeping the up
> the momentum has proved difficult at times over the last year and
> that not ever
- Original Message -
From: "Stefano Mazzocchi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> on 7/10/03 4:21 PM Dirk-Willem van Gulik wrote:
> > So an apache-wide newsletter would be great. And posting it to apache wide
> > announce, or even xposting it to all announce mailing list - sure. I'd
> > love that. Hav
Stefano Mazzocchi applauded:
> on 7/10/03 4:21 PM Dirk-Willem van Gulik wrote:
> > So an apache-wide newsletter would be great. And posting it to apache
wide
> > announce, or even xposting it to all announce mailing list - sure. I'd
> > love that. Having it on the web is nice for archival too -
on 7/10/03 4:21 PM Dirk-Willem van Gulik wrote:
> ...
>
>>one of the consequences of encouraging the breaking up of jakarta is
>>that there are a lot more apache projects (whether they started in
>
> ...
>
>>if we do manage to get some momentum for an apache-wide newsletter, would
>
>
> Pleas
...
> one of the consequences of encouraging the breaking up of jakarta is
> that there are a lot more apache projects (whether they started in
...
> if we do manage to get some momentum for an apache-wide newsletter, would
Please please !
I think that none of us works in a vacuum across artific
On Thursday, July 10, 2003, at 03:00 PM, Thom May wrote:
* Nicola Ken Barozzi ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote :
Thom May wrote, On 10/07/2003 15.24:
Jakarta has an announcement list. Guess what, most, if not all
announcements go also to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Go figure.
MHO is that a mail a month is not a big
> We have different lists for different purposes. This content does not
belong
> on this list.
Which content? The newsletter, or the discussion of turning it into an
ASF-wide newsletter?
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Subject: Re: Jakarta Newsletter Issue 9 -- May-June 2003
> * Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
>
> > Jakarta has an announcement list. Guess what, most, if not all
> > announcements go also to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Go figure.
> >
> > MHO is that a mail a month is not a big deal
* Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
> Jakarta has an announcement list. Guess what, most, if not all
> announcements go also to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Go figure.
>
> MHO is that a mail a month is not a big deal in any case.
And now multiply one mail with the number of apache projects. Heh, *I* get
about 200-
* Nicola Ken Barozzi ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote :
>
> Thom May wrote, On 10/07/2003 15.24:
>
>
> Jakarta has an announcement list. Guess what, most, if not all
> announcements go also to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Go figure.
>
> MHO is that a mail a month is not a big deal in any case.
>
straw. camel's
Thom May wrote, On 10/07/2003 15.24:
* Tetsuya Kitahata ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote :
On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 04:27:05 -0400
(Subject: RE: Jakarta Newsletter Issue 9 -- May-June 2003)
"Noel J. Bergman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
And I think not only to this ML, but also to at least [EMAI
* Tetsuya Kitahata ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote :
> On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 04:27:05 -0400
> (Subject: RE: Jakarta Newsletter Issue 9 -- May-June 2003)
> "Noel J. Bergman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> And I think not only to this ML, but also to at least [EMAIL PROTECTED
On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 04:27:05 -0400
(Subject: RE: Jakarta Newsletter Issue 9 -- May-June 2003)
"Noel J. Bergman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > It has been already said, but the last newsletter was *awesome*! :-)
>
> Agreed! :-)
>
> > Why not simply m
> It has been already said, but the last newsletter was *awesome*! :-)
Agreed! :-)
> Why not simply make it the Apache Newsletter, add the projects that are
> not there yet, and publish it here on [EMAIL PROTECTED]
+1
It would help to preserve and build community the community aspect(s) of the
robert burrell donkin wrote, On 09/07/2003 19.44:
hi Tetsuya
thanks again for all the hard work in the limited time available for
newsletter 9. i'd you like to volunteer to create an xml newsletter as
well as a jakarta one then i'm sure it'd be a great success.
It has been already said, but the l
Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 18:44:20 +0100
(Subject: Re: Jakarta Newsletter Issue 9 -- May-June 2003)
robert burrell donkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> hi Tetsuya
>
> thanks again for all the hard work in the
people interested in XML and java.
Sincerely,
-- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
-----
On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 08:17:44 +0200 (CEST)
(Subject: Re: Jakarta Newsletter Issue 9 -- May-June 2003)
Dirk-Willem van Gulik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
the people interested in XML and java.
Sincerely,
-- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 08:17:44 +0200 (CEST)
(Subject: Re: Jakarta Newsletter Issue 9 -- May-June 2003)
Dirk-Willem van Gulik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
On Wed, 9 Jul 2003, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote:
... cut ... most wonderful newletter ...
Wow -you guys rocks ! Keep up the good work.
And I really do hope that this will keep its 'all things java and xml'
scope; despite ant and avalong becoming a PMC of their own!
Thanks!
Dw
--
Jakarta Newsletter Issue 9
==
Date: May-June 2003
Url: http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news/200305.html
It's been another good year at the JavaWorld Tools Awards [1] for
Apache.
Xerces2 Java Parser 2.4 from the Apache XML Project won the Best
Java-XML Tool award and A
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