Michael,
Do you need people to physically test the phones that are being run on this
process? (:
I'm sure you could easily find several hundred volunteers.
. . .Shawn
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steve <[
Some points.
nearly everyone misses the difference between internal schedules and
external schedules.
In closed companies you never publish the Internal schedule. Announcing the
future product kills the present product.
You wait until the cake is fully baked, then you deliver it. Nobody sees
your
If you are looking for hardware information. look here:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware#Product_Life
this states that the product is meant to last a minimum of 2 years.
hope this help
Regards James
On 19/03/2008, Nicanor Babula <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> thomasg w
On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 9:17 AM, Michael Shiloh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There is a constant trend of moving these discussions from internal
> lists to public lists. Many Openmoko employees do this, but I'd
> particularly like to publicly thank Wolfgang Spraul for championing this
> and for
What would be interesting to know: What is the next thing Openmoko
wants to do? A GTA03 Neo device with some changes in functionality
but keeping the general design? An entirely new device with possibly
other/revolutionary design goals? Multiple devices at the same time?
How about a TI OMAP3 as S
I'm sure most developers appreciate the trust involved in being this open.
I'm committed to the open philosophy. So thanks for thanking me.
If the community wants to ask me questions about anything,
I'll give them straight answers.
The community will know what I KNOW. My job is to market and
Hi guys,
as you may have already noticed, Openmoko Inc. has been accepted
as a mentoring organization for the Google Summer of Code 2008.
According to the timeline, the student application period begins Monday,
March 24, 2008, and ends Monday, March 31st. Please prepare to apply as
soon as possi
Carlo E. Prelz wrote:
I am just curious: what do you do with these hundreds of phones that
come out of test runs? After all due tests are performed on them,
could they be offered as a sort of lottery draw to list contributors?
(without any warranty, at a reduced price, you name it...) Or do the
Subject: Re: Price of the Freerunner published?
Date: mer 19 mar 08 05:58:19 -0400
Quoting Kevin Dean ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> > both US and EU must offer some sort of warranty.
>
> I don't believe this is true. IIRC the EU requires sellers or
> manufacturers to warranty items (or
Yeah, the thought of seeing hundreds of Freerunners being thrown away
at the expense of the manufacturing process makes me cry a little.
On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 4:56 PM, Carlo E. Prelz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Subject: Further details of theprocess as we ramp up production of
> Freer
On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 5:48 PM, Carlo E. Prelz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> both US and EU must offer some sort of warranty.
I don't believe this is true. IIRC the EU requires sellers or
manufacturers to warranty items (or perhaps specific items) but
there's no such requirement in the USA (thou
Subject: Further details of theprocess as we ramp up production of
Freerunner
Date: Wed 19 Mar 08 11:55:44AM -0700
Quoting Michael Shiloh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> The PVT runs are staggered: for example, we may build 100 phones and
> test them, then make a minor change and build
Subject: Re: Price of the Freerunner published?
Date: Wed 19 Mar 08 07:58:50PM +0100
Quoting Peter Trapp ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> Well, I've paid 300€ (=300$) for Neo1973 even without any reseller and group
> purchasing with two other guys to save shipping costs (to Germany)!!
>
Michael Shiloh wrote:
"If the community would like, I will update them on each and every stage.
(I've already answered yes for all of you :-)
Ehehe... I think you couldn't say differently :).
We're all waiting for DVT news, so! :P
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thomasg wrote:
I haven't used a Nokia N800 or Motorola A1200, so I can't really say
what their build quality is like.
But I have used many many other Nokias and some Motos, and imho the
Neos case is at least as good, if not much better.
The clearance of the case is better than any Nokia owner wo
Andy Powell wrote:
399$ would make 257 EUR
Shipping from China / Taiwan / US appr. $70 to Europe
is $469, makes 302 EUR
plus 19% VAT is 360 EUR for a self import at the actual price.
Well, I don't think that a seller buys the shipping of each phone $70...
Maybe they'll pay that for 10 phon
Andy Powell wrote:
400USD != 400EUR
If this is an indication of the pricing for Europe, please arrange for some
European versions to get shipped to the USA where we can buy them and have
them shipped to Europe.
I do agree with you...!
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Less than a day left for anyone interested. :o)
ian douglas wrote:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120232014254
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Ajit Natarajan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Which would be the better provider for this area: AT&T or TMobile?
>
I have been a long time TMobile customer, but not in that area. Their costumer
service is superb and their prices are decent.
I would not get AT&T. The have an illustrious his
Hi folks,
several days ago I got from www.pulster.de the price 399€ for the stock
unit, incl. shipment, taxes etc.
Am Mittwoch, den 19.03.2008, 19:58 +0100 schrieb Peter Trapp:
...
> > 400USD != 400EUR
...
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On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 7:09 PM, ian douglas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Vincent wrote:
> > 2. 19% VAT in germany
> > 3. x% additional fees (recycling, ...) in germany/europe
> >
> > Regarding points 1, 2, 3 and 6 - doesn't the US have something similar?
>
> 2. I'm originally from Canada,
Vincent wrote:
2. 19% VAT in germany
3. x% additional fees (recycling, ...) in germany/europe
Regarding points 1, 2, 3 and 6 - doesn't the US have something similar?
2. I'm originally from Canada, but my experience in the US is that each
state, and sometimes within separate counties
On Wednesday 19 March 2008 17:56, Andy Powell wrote:
> On Wednesday 19 March 2008 16:10, Steven ** wrote:
> > Was reading Planet OpenMoko and found the following at
> > http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2008/03/18/from-switzerland-to
> >-b razil/
> >
> > "The price range for the Neo FreeRu
On Wednesday 19 March 2008 17:56, Andy Powell wrote:
> On Wednesday 19 March 2008 16:10, Steven ** wrote:
> > Was reading Planet OpenMoko and found the following at
> > http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2008/03/18/from-switzerland-to
> >-b razil/
> >
> > "The price range for the Neo FreeRu
On Mittwoch, 19. März 2008, Andy Powell wrote:
> On Wednesday 19 March 2008 16:10, Steven ** wrote:
> > Was reading Planet OpenMoko and found the following at
> > http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2008/03/18/from-switzerland-to
> >-b razil/
> >
> > "The price range for the Neo FreeRunner h
Hi everyone,
I just received from Steve further details of the manufacturing process
we have planned. I quote:
Bringing a product to mass production goes through several steps. For
Freerunner, since we intend it to be usable by the mass market, we are
being very diligent.
Here are the mil
On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 6:40 PM, thomasg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Since nobody seems to realize it, I guess I have to explain this.
> 1. Even the distributor has to pay shipping
> 2. 19% VAT in germany
> 3. x% additional fees (recycling, ...) in germany/europe
> 4. 2 years warranty in germany
On Mittwoch, 19. März 2008, Lally Singh wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 12:10 PM, Steven **
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Was reading Planet OpenMoko and found the following at
> >
> > http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2008/03/18/from-switzerland-to
> >-brazil/
> >
> > "The price r
Since nobody seems to realize it, I guess I have to explain this.
1. Even the distributor has to pay shipping
2. 19% VAT in germany
3. x% additional fees (recycling, ...) in germany/europe
4. 2 years warranty in germany
5. The dollar-euro change will not always remain nearby 1.60$/1€
6. People who
Andy Selby wrote:
I have a question:
It will be a long life cellphone? Or will it just be some fragile geek
toy to use with care?
Since you can install anything on it thanks to the openness of the
device, it will remain useful for as long as the device works, for
instance some people are pla
You use the words "long life" and "fragile", if you're wondering about
the long-term viability of the hardware, it's quite a bit more robust
than the last few phones I've used. :)
I've dropped it several times getting in and out of my car, I keep it
in my pocket with my keys and loose coin when I
Oh wow, I've been paying a little bit of attention to those exchange
rates, but I hadn't realized it's gotten that bad.
On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Carlo E. Prelz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Subject: Re: Price of the Freerunner published?
> Date: mer 19 mar 08 05:51:01 +0100
Hi Ian,
Since I'm in California and the factory is in China, it's a little
difficult for me to know exactly what the plan is and where there are
concerns and weaknesses.
As far as I can tell there is some concern that the yield initially may
not be as high as we would like, and that some twe
Steven Kurylo wrote:
On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 5:55 PM, Michael Shiloh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The Freerunner design is currently staged to go through Production
Validation Test (PVT). The hardware design A5 is, we believe, solid. We
are updating this design to A6 to maximize production yi
> I have a question:
> It will be a long life cellphone? Or will it just be some fragile geek
> toy to use with care?
Since you can install anything on it thanks to the openness of the
device, it will remain useful for as long as the device works, for
instance some people are planning to make a
On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 5:55 PM, Michael Shiloh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The Freerunner design is currently staged to go through Production
> Validation Test (PVT). The hardware design A5 is, we believe, solid. We
> are updating this design to A6 to maximize production yields.
Something tha
Subject: Re: Price of the Freerunner published?
Date: mer 19 mar 08 05:51:01 +0100
Quoting Sander van Grieken ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> If I recall correctly, the initial Freerunner pricing was $450 for
> the device and $600 for the devkit.
What I really hope is that the price in US
Kevin Dean wrote:
On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 8:38 PM, Michael Shiloh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi Lally,
This is clearly my responsibility, and in fact there is such a page:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates
I confess I have been lax in the past few months and have not update
Hi Michael (and Steve),
I'm surprised nobody has asked yet:
I know Michael himself has admitted that Openmoko has been historically
bad at estimating delivery dates, but is there *any* chance on getting
an updated timeline now that we have this news about the A5/A6?
IE: How long can we (reas
Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote:
Michael Shiloh ha scritto:
Hi everyone,
I just received a status report from our VP of Marketing, Steve Mosher:
The Freerunner design is currently staged to go through Production
Validation Test (PVT). The hardware design A5 is, we believe, solid.
We are upd
On Wednesday 19 March 2008 16:10, Steven ** wrote:
> Was reading Planet OpenMoko and found the following at
> http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2008/03/18/from-switzerland-to-b
>razil/
>
> "The price range for the Neo FreeRunner has been published, it's going
> to be less than 400 USD — wh
I haven't used a Nokia N800 or Motorola A1200, so I can't really say what
their build quality is like.
But I have used many many other Nokias and some Motos, and imho the Neos
case is at least as good, if not much better.
The clearance of the case is better than any Nokia owner would dream of (in
f
On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 10:07 AM, Nicanor Babula <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It will be a long life cellphone? Or will it just be some fragile geek
> toy to use with care? My reference points are Motorola Motoming and
> Nokia N800 (both have touchscreen and linux).
If you search the archives t
THANKS! :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)
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On Wednesday 19 March 2008, Steven ** wrote:
> Was reading Planet OpenMoko and found the following at
> http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2008/03/18/from-switzerland-to-b
>razil/
>
> "The price range for the Neo FreeRunner has been published, it's going
> to be less than 400 USD — which is
I'm very interested in neo project. I'm a student, and I don't have much
money.
Although the hardware components freerunner contains are very good (fast
processor, large RAM) I have a question:
It will be a long life cellphone? Or will it just be some fragile geek
toy to use with care? My refere
The openness is much appreciated!! The hack value of this phone is
really mind-boggling. IMHO It could become to this generation's young
hackers what the old Apple IIs and Commodores were to my generation.
As for the 6400 vs the 2443, is there any reason to prefer the 2443?
The 6400 seems better
> On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 12:10 PM, Steven **
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Was reading Planet OpenMoko and found the following at
>>
>> http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2008/03/18/from-switzerland-to-brazil/
>> :
>> "The price range for the Neo FreeRunner has been published, it's g
On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 12:10 PM, Steven **
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Was reading Planet OpenMoko and found the following at
>
> http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2008/03/18/from-switzerland-to-brazil/
> :
> "The price range for the Neo FreeRunner has been published, it's going
> t
Hi everyone,
I wanted to point out to you something that has been happening quietly
for awhile now.
Often discussions start on Openmoko internal mailing lists. Suddenly we
realize the discussion is important and that there is no reason for it
to remain internal.
There is a constant trend o
Was reading Planet OpenMoko and found the following at
http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2008/03/18/from-switzerland-to-brazil/
:
"The price range for the Neo FreeRunner has been published, it's going
to be less than 400 USD — which is quite a substantial improvement
over the estimated 650
..enough with that 'delayed by 6 months' thread already, it's making me nervous!
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On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 11:29 PM, Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> And "lossless" formats are a joke. They use such prodigious amounts
> of storage space that there's really no point at all. Just use the
> original media! And if you don't own the original media, you're
> either a thief or you'
On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 10:29 AM, Lally Singh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [snipping to keep it short]
> [ for everyone who's tired of reading these -- sorry. the community's
> easily as (actually, more) important than the hardware product itself.
> debates like this are as important (imho) as
Awesome update both in progress and content! I realize that you are
right in the middle of the crossfire and probably get a lot of flack for
things that are mostly out of your control.
I put in one email yesterday why I think people get frustrated with the
lack of hardware updates. Its because t
[snipping to keep it short]
[ for everyone who's tired of reading these -- sorry. the community's
easily as (actually, more) important than the hardware product itself.
debates like this are as important (imho) as those debating how much
RAM the device has or what cell frequencies should be enabl
Dnia Wednesday 19 of March 2008, Tim Shannon napisał:
> Wow, this one trolls rant has been taken way too far. Half the emails
> in my box have the subject of
> FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??
And most of mails from this list are from people with broken keyboards
(no "Del" key).
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Wow, this one trolls rant has been taken way too far. Half the emails
in my box have the subject of
FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??
On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 9:25 PM, Kevin Dean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 8:52 PM, Lally Singh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
Great news! I can't wait to show people 'Hey, my mini-linux computer makes
phone calls. Beat that'.
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From: Michael Shiloh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 6:55:29 PM
Subject: Neo F
Excellent update. :) Thanks!
On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 6:33 AM, James Olney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks for the update Michael! Good news! looks like you've turned a corner!
>
>
>
>
> On 19/03/2008, Daniel Spies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Thank you very much for these good news! Really
On Wed, 2008-03-19 at 04:02 -0700, Ajit Natarajan wrote:
> Hello,
>
> A question from a cell phone newbie.
>
> I understand that the Freerunner will come in two varieties: 850MHz and
> 900MHz. I live in the Silicon Valley in California. My work zip is
> 95014 (Cupertino) and my home zip is 95
850mhz/1900mhz are the common bands in North America.
On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 7:02 AM, Ajit Natarajan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> A question from a cell phone newbie.
>
> I understand that the Freerunner will come in two varieties: 850MHz and
> 900MHz. I live in the Silicon Valley
850 for USA
900 for Europe
(ok that's the brief version!)
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Hello,
A question from a cell phone newbie.
I understand that the Freerunner will come in two varieties: 850MHz and
900MHz. I live in the Silicon Valley in California. My work zip is
95014 (Cupertino) and my home zip is 95008 (Campbell). In and around
these areas is where I expect to be mo
Thanks for the update Michael! Good news! looks like you've turned a corner!
On 19/03/2008, Daniel Spies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thank you very much for these good news! Really appreciate your update! :)
>
> Daniel
>
> On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:55:29 -0700, Michael Shiloh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Thank you very much for these good news! Really appreciate your update! :)
Daniel
On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:55:29 -0700, Michael Shiloh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> I just received a status report from our VP of Marketing, Steve Mosher:
>
>
> The Freerunner design is currently st
Michael Shiloh ha scritto:
Hi everyone,
I just received a status report from our VP of Marketing, Steve Mosher:
The Freerunner design is currently staged to go through Production
Validation Test (PVT). The hardware design A5 is, we believe, solid. We
are updating this design to A6 to maximize
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