Hello,
that is right, but only the Kernel and other GPLed Software is free to
use. The TomTom Software is closed. TomTom musst optimize the software
for the use on openmoko and the Neo1973. I hope they support the
Openmoko platform in the future :)
With kind regards
Patrick Beck
Am Freitag, den
> > Now the answer from TomTom:
> >
> > Dear Mr. Beck,
> >
> > Currently TomTom has no plans to extend our navigation software to other
> > platforms. However the Openmoko is an interesting development and we
> > will keep an eye on it to see how this project evolves into the future.
> >
> > Wi
A simple app to add data for the OpenStreetMap project on OpenMoko
will probably help a lot.
Absolutely. And I'm sure several of these will come into being.
If you want reuse, however, you should think about writing it in Java.
Believe that there will be good Java ME implementations for OpenM
Openstreetmap is till now not a alternative to other proprietary map
companys. A map with only a small fraction of my country is not good to
navigate;)
With kind regards,
Patrick Beck
Am Dienstag, den 29.05.2007, 16:57 -0400 schrieb Ian Darwin:
>
> And besides, wouldn't you rather have an open
Dnia środa, 30 maja 2007, Thomas Gstädtner napisał:
> Well, OpenMoko still is mainly a phone platform, not a gps platform. ;)
> The Neo will me sold als phone with the option to install software, not
> because of its GPS chip.
One of reasons why my friend bought HTC Artemis phone was GPS unit and
Raphaël Jacquot wrote:
Ian Darwin wrote:
I'd like to have good maps, and as you implied, OpenStreetMap (OSM) is
probably years - maybe decades - from having comprehensive maps of the
world. "Much digitization required" :-).
this actually depends on where you're located.
Yes, clearly some ma
Well, I hope you're right! And I hope enough Neos get sold that it
becomes worth their while.
I'd like to have good maps, and as you implied, OpenStreetMap (OSM) is
probably years - maybe decades - from having comprehensive maps of the
world. "Much digitization required" :-).
Ian Darwin
A sim
Ian Darwin wrote:
> I'd like to have good maps, and as you implied, OpenStreetMap (OSM) is
> probably years - maybe decades - from having comprehensive maps of the
> world. "Much digitization required" :-).
this actually depends on where you're located.
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Thomas Gstädtner wrote:
Well, OpenMoko still is mainly a phone platform, not a gps platform. ;)
The Neo will me sold as a phone with the option to install software, not
because of its GPS chip.
There will be much free software which will make the Neo a great
smartphone (hopefully ^^).
TomTom p
Well, OpenMoko still is mainly a phone platform, not a gps platform. ;)
The Neo will me sold als phone with the option to install software, not
because of its GPS chip.
There will be much free software which will make the Neo a great smartphone
(hopefully ^^).
TomTom ported its software to series6
Yes, but if I am relying on my device to be able to get from point A to
point B then I would MUCH rather have it be able to give me an accurate
map and directions.
Its almost a chicken and egg problem. TomTom only sells/ports to high
volume platforms. Platforms need TomTom (not specifically,
Ian Darwin wrote:
I think you're right; after the first 250,000 or so Neo 1973 phones have
been sold, they *may* look again. There are currently under 350
signups, so I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you. If you just want to
use a $350 Neo as a $200 GPS, you might as well spend the time on
Thomas Gstädtner wrote:
Well, this answer is not too bad and maybe better than expected.
"will keep an eye on it" could mean, that TomTom will wait and see how
the first OpenMoko Phones (Neo1973 Phase 2) sell.
If the sales are ok, maybe they release their software for OpenMoko.
I think you're
Hi,
you are right. I hope they change that information in the future :)
With kind regards,
Patrick Beck
Am Dienstag, den 29.05.2007, 21:55 +0200 schrieb Thomas Gstädtner:
> Well, this answer is not too bad and maybe better than expected.
> "will keep an eye on it" could mean, that TomTom will w
Well, this answer is not too bad and maybe better than expected.
"will keep an eye on it" could mean, that TomTom will wait and see how the
first OpenMoko Phones (Neo1973 Phase 2) sell.
If the sales are ok, maybe they release their software for OpenMoko.
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> tomtom on the Neo1973. I think it will be very cool :) I had no problem
> to pay money for a good software and rich in detail maps. It is hard
> work to create good maps (see http://www.openstreetmap.org).
>
> When many people want to use tomtom on the Neo1973, it would be a goo
There are a couple of Google Summer of Code applications that involve
building a mapping application on OpenMoko. Hopefully one of these
get's funded. At the very least that will demonstrate the viability of
OpenMoko and the Neo1973 as a mobile mapping platform that commercial
vendors can then con
I agree that while this is unlikely, it's the best option for all involved.
You would need a software company to write that binary library though...
which would probably not be a particularly profitable enterprise.
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I just thought of another (yes, probably unlikely) possibility, but
maybe worth considering. A map provider could keep their data in a
closed format and provide a closed source binary library API for
interfacing with the data.
This way open source developers could have their own front-end
interfa
On 4/2/07, Andrew Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
...
Right, but the bigger question is if Google wanted to develop &
support their GmapsMobile for OpenMoko. This will be difficult.
I think this is a common misconception. Google Maps Mobile runs on
Java(J2ME), so as long as the phone can sup
wim delvaux wrote:
Seems to confirm parent's interpretation. The code is closed, and 'free'
only in so far as Nokia are allowing a no-cost download of the beta
version. Navigation is a paid-for upgrade. The license agreement prevents
redistribution of the data files, and prevents reverse-engineer
What if somebody writes a free application that works but with charts that
cost money ?
You can't buy the charts. They are protected by various technical and
licensing methods in each of the products you use. The companies can't take
the risk of an open source software product revealing and d
>
> Seems to confirm parent's interpretation. The code is closed, and 'free'
> only in so far as Nokia are allowing a no-cost download of the beta
> version. Navigation is a paid-for upgrade. The license agreement prevents
> redistribution of the data files, and prevents reverse-engineering of the
Something else worth mentioning, regarding road usage, is that on a much
larger scale, we could get fairly accurate road data automatically if every
phone recorded where it went (unless the functionality was turned off) and
just uploaded that data automatically to a server when it was near an acce
Regarding the repeated requests for google maps on the device:
YES IT IS POSSIBLE. YOU DO NOT WANT IT.
According to the terms, you aren't allowed to cache the data for further use
later. This means that you have to download the images over GPRS every time
you pass through an area. These images a
According to OSM's wiki
(http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Getting_Involved#Recording_tracks_using_a_GPS_receiver
Step 5), it would be a copyright violation to use Google Maps in any
way to fill data into OSM. OSM insists in their guides that you note
street names while you're traveling, si
On 4/2/07, Steven ** <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
According to OSM's wiki
(http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Getting_Involved#Recording_tracks_using_a_GPS_receiver
Step 5), it would be a copyright violation to use Google Maps in any
way to fill data into OSM. OSM insists in their guides that
Jonathon Suggs wrote:
Andrew Turner wrote:
Caching googlemaps tiles, and not through their client, is a violation
of their Terms of Service. Same for all the other providers.
Here's an interesting question. What if you constantly logged your
position (while driving). Then when you got ba
Andrew Turner wrote:
Caching googlemaps tiles, and not through their client, is a violation
of their Terms of Service. Same for all the other providers.
Here's an interesting question. What if you constantly logged your
position (while driving). Then when you got back home, you could uplo
Andrew Turner wrote:
On 4/2/07, adrian cockcroft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I'm happy with the capabilities of Google maps, except that it doesn't
know where I am
http://www.opengeodata.org/?p=189
The UK Ordnance Survey - national mapping agency - is incorporating
their data into OSM, an
On 4/2/07, adrian cockcroft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I'm happy with the capabilities of Google maps, except that it doesn't
know where I am
Caching googlemaps tiles, and not through their client, is a violation
of their Terms of Service. Same for all the other providers. So
you're restri
I'm happy with the capabilities of Google maps, except that it doesn't
know where I am
So given java support on OpenMoko, I think there is already a fairly
generic mobile Java version of Google Maps that should just work...
However to interface to the GPS we will need a modified version. I
th
On Monday 02 April 2007 12:36, wim delvaux wrote:
> On Monday 02 April 2007 11:42:51 Attila Csipa wrote:
> > On Monday 02 April 2007 08:13, Hans L wrote:
> > > I guess it is a question of whether the map providers are willing to
> > > cooperate and divulge the details of their file format to an ope
If I remember correctly the company of smart2go was bought by Nokia
last year.
So I don't think they will support other phones but Nokias in near
future.
Regards
Karsten
On Monday 02 April 2007 11:42:51 Attila Csipa wrote:
> On Monday 02 April 2007 08:13, Hans L wrote:
> > I guess it is a questio
enmoko since they become
> public.
>
> I have discussed with a few others on the IRC, about the Idea to use
> tomtom on the Neo1973. I think it will be very cool :) I had no problem
> to pay money for a good software and rich in detail maps. It is hard
> work to create good map
On Monday 02 April 2007 11:42:51 Attila Csipa wrote:
> On Monday 02 April 2007 08:13, Hans L wrote:
> > I guess it is a question of whether the map providers are willing to
> > cooperate and divulge the details of their file format to an open source
> > project, or alternatively converting their da
On Monday 02 April 2007 08:13, Hans L wrote:
> I guess it is a question of whether the map providers are willing to
> cooperate and divulge the details of their file format to an open source
> project, or alternatively converting their data into some open format for
> use with such a project.
In m
Just wanted to add that I'm interested in such a solution too, I'm
willing to pay for the maps, but I don't like the idea of having some
proprietary software on my phone, I would appreciate the solution of an
opensource GPS Navigation Application in connection with the maps from
Teleatlas, etc.
there's been a long running discussion on getting java up and running...
what would be the possibility of tying into the gmaps mobile interface? does
anyone who reads licences better than I know if this violates the EULA?
maybe we could talk google into doing a custom version? they do it for quite
(I honestly hate gmails lack of replying to the proper address)
On 4/2/07, Tehn Yit Chin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I don't mean this to be a flippant remark, but how about google map as
> a OpenStreetMap replacement?
Google Maps is not a collection of mapping data, it licenses and pays
for fr
I don't mean this to be a flippant remark, but how about google map as
a OpenStreetMap replacement?
On 4/2/07, Hans L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Just wanted to say that I am another user that would be interested in a
commercial mapping application running on an OpenMoko device. I realize
that m
Just wanted to say that I am another user that would be interested in a
commercial mapping application running on an OpenMoko device. I realize
that mapping requires an enormous amount of effort. OpenStreetMap is a
noble effort, but one that I would consider in it's infancy. Maybe someday
it co
Am Samstag, den 31.03.2007, 16:01 +0200 schrieb Flemming Richter
Mikkelsen:
>Therefore I would like to support openstreetmap.org
For a navigation software is OSM not enough. Not many maps, will be the
problem.
> I think tomtom should be optional in addition to openstreetmap.
> Openstreetmap sho
Idea to use
tomtom on the Neo1973. I think it will be very cool :) I had no problem
to pay money for a good software and rich in detail maps. It is hard
work to create good maps (see http://www.openstreetmap.org).
Therefore I would like to support openstreetmap.org
<http://op
On 3/31/07, Patrick Beck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hello,
i follow the deployment of the Neo1973 and Openmoko since they become
public.
I have discussed with a few others on the IRC, about the Idea to use
tomtom on the Neo1973. I think it will be very cool :) I had no problem
to pay
Hello,
i follow the deployment of the Neo1973 and Openmoko since they become
public.
I have discussed with a few others on the IRC, about the Idea to use
tomtom on the Neo1973. I think it will be very cool :) I had no problem
to pay money for a good software and rich in detail maps. It is hard
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