O Meien 9dan wrote a short column about FIT2008 event.
Title is "Kanpai monte-carlo".
Kanpai means "Cheers!" and another meaning is "complete defeat".
(Maybe he uses this from old Japanese hit song "monte-carlo de kanpai".)
Content is
He has thought abstract "Area" is important for computer Go.
You would have to ask these questions of Paul. He is an extremely
serious and careful person, so while I would find it hard to believe
that every person had exactly the same rating down to 0.01, it must
have been very close when the entire collection of AGA members was
considered. I do not
On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 18:07 +0200, Rémi Coulom wrote:
> When the playouts evaluate a critical semeai the wrong way, then no
> supercomputer can help, even at long time control. Semeais require a
> better algorithm, because no computing power can search them out with
> a
> tree, and playouts have
David Doshay wrote:
> Two
separate rating tables were kept, one for handicap games and another for
non-handicap games. Over time it turned out that the ratings for
individuals converged
Did they converge for each person individually or converge only for all
persons on average? Did the converg
2008/9/4 Rémi Coulom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> only 5k, so I cannot really tell. But when I see the horrors it plays in
> some games, I suppose it must play much stronger than 1k in some other games
> in order to get a rating of 1k.
>
> Look for instance at these two games:
> a win: http://files.gokgs
mens Don Dailey
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Here is something interesting from this page:
Note how different the expectations of each system are regarding even
games between players of unequal strength. If you can win 90% of even
games
mens Don Dailey
Verzonden: do 4-9-2008 20:55
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Onderwerp: Re: [computer-go] Kaori-Crazystone
Here is something interesting from this page:
Note how different the expectations of each system are regarding even
games between players of unequal strength. If you can win 90% of even
games
Here is something interesting from this page:
Note how different the expectations of each system are regarding even
games between players of unequal strength. If you can win 90% of even
games against a 2 kyu player, the AGA believes you are 1.33 ranks
higher, the EGF believes you are 2.42 ranks hi
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> This page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_ranks_and_ratings gives a table of
> win
> probabilities versus rank differences.
>
>
Don Dailey: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>It's difficult for me to understand this due to different ranking
>systems and pro ratings vs amateur ratings. I see here listed as a 4
>dan player on this page:
>
>http://www.nihonkiin.or.jp/player/htm/ki000343.htm
>
>
>Is that 4 dan pro? My understanding
This page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_ranks_and_ratings gives a table of
win probabilities versus rank differences.
I haven't yet found such a table for handicap games.
Terry McIntyre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
"Go is very hard. The more I learn about it, the less I know." -Jie Li, 9 dan
Rémi Coulom wrote:
>> I would like to see MogoTiTan play many rated games on KGS and see how
>> it does there. Anyone have a few million dollars lying around to
>> sponsor this? :)
>
> Leela is becoming strong. It has reached 1k now.
The gold medal in Beijing will not go to France without a fi
On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 17:09 +0100, Nick Wedd wrote:
> As for "1 dan being a kind of holy grail":
> The Ing prize, worth over US$1,000,000, was for beating inseis, that
> is
> trainee professionals, who would have a strength of around amateur 7
> dan
> or maybe slightly below. So "beating a [pro]
in fact, if you made a betting game out of it, and formed a pool
that would go to anyone willing to take the challenge, i think
that you'd find that the ratio of dollars "against" to dollars "for"
would be a fairly accurate depiction of the strength increase over
time. the ratio would likely lag b
1d (amateur) is a kind of holy grail for amateurs, because
it separates fairly serious players from people just messing
around, so seeing a program at that level on a 19x19 board at
reasonable (non-blitz) time controls is quite impressive.
1p is generally stronger than all but a small handful of
a
I feel that we can now say that some programs on some hardware have
reached 1D. Not 1P, but 1D.
We are setting up another Mogo v.s. Kim Myung-wan game to be held
at the Cotsen Open in Los Angeles.
Cheers,
David
On 4, Sep 2008, at 8:48 AM, Don Dailey wrote:
What I'm trying to determine is if
Nick Wedd wrote:
When mandelbrot resigns, saying "I was pwned", it appears to me that
he is ahead. If he plays at q11 instead of resigning, I think he can
kill Crazy Stone's s12 group - but it's difficult, and I'm not sure.
Bots are strong at psychological wins :-)
Rémi
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Don Dailey wrote:
I'm thinking that if we estimate Aoba at 10d amateur and CrazyStone wins
with 8 stone handicap, it is roughly equivalent to beating a 2d player
without handicap and that we can subtract 2 stones to say that
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 11:09 AM, Rémi Coulom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> Andy wrote:
>
>> I'm excited to see a computer reach 1d as well. For me I'm waiting to see
>> a bot hold a 1d rating consistently on kgs. Right now CrazyStone has been
>> rated 1d briefly, but hasn't been able to maintain i
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Don Dailey
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
I meant to add that we cannot calculate an upper bound on it's strength
since there was only 1 game and it was a win.
What I'm trying to determine is if we can say with a high degree of
confidence yet that computers have achie
Andy wrote:
I'm excited to see a computer reach 1d as well. For me I'm waiting to
see a bot hold a 1d rating consistently on kgs. Right now CrazyStone
has been rated 1d briefly, but hasn't been able to maintain it. It's
currently 1k.
I put a small table of the progress of a few bot's ratin
Don Dailey wrote:
I'm thinking that if we estimate Aoba at 10d amateur and CrazyStone wins
with 8 stone handicap, it is roughly equivalent to beating a 2d player
without handicap and that we can subtract 2 stones to say that with
pretty high confidence CrazyStone is playing at least 1 kyu (but t
I'm excited to see a computer reach 1d as well. For me I'm waiting to see a
bot hold a 1d rating consistently on kgs. Right now CrazyStone has been
rated 1d briefly, but hasn't been able to maintain it. It's currently 1k.
I put a small table of the progress of a few bot's ratings on kgs at
http
I meant to add that we cannot calculate an upper bound on it's strength
since there was only 1 game and it was a win.
What I'm trying to determine is if we can say with a high degree of
confidence yet that computers have achieved the 1 dan level? This has
been kind of a holy grail of computer go
It's difficult for me to understand this due to different ranking
systems and pro ratings vs amateur ratings. I see here listed as a 4
dan player on this page:
http://www.nihonkiin.or.jp/player/htm/ki000343.htm
Is that 4 dan pro? My understanding is something like this:
kyu player are
Congratulations, Remi!
I just returned from FIT2008.
This was first official professional vs. computer game in Japan.
I added some comments in sgf.
These game comments are stated by O Meien professional 9dan.
Aoba 4dan's comment after game.
"My guess was soft was strong, but something is differe
terry mcintyre wrote:
Congratulations!
Thanks.
I'm dying for details! What was the time limit?
The organizers asked that the program should play at a constant time (30
second) per move. The sgf file contains time stamps (you can see the
time with gogui, for instance). I don't know what
Original Message
> From: Rémi Coulom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: computer-go
> Sent: Thursday, September 4, 2008 3:56:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [computer-go] Kaori-Crazystone
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Wasn't it today that Crazystone had a match against
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Wasn't it today that Crazystone had a match against a professional
player? During the FIT2008 conference at Keio University?
Does anyone know the result and if the game is available somewhere?
Jonas
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