Re: [CGUYS] Comcast puts on the brakes

2008-09-17 Thread Eric S. Sande
The Baby Bells have become bigger than their parent and yes they are converging back. No doubt about it, but the new AT&T is not the old AT&T. Well, it soon will be under either the same or another name. The whole reason SBC rebranded itself as AT&T after they bought the "old" AT&T was that p

Re: [CGUYS] Comcast puts on the brakes

2008-09-17 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
In 1984 Judge Green forced AT&T to divest itself of the baby bells. They all became separate and independent companies who no longer had to buy equipment from AT&t etc. After 1984 Western Electric became AT&T manufacturing (I know my dad worked for them at this time) The plants got smaller a

Re: [CGUYS] Comcast puts on the brakes

2008-09-17 Thread Eric S. Sande
By the way the AT&T they talked about in the article no longer exists. The new AT&T is actually one of the baby bells that was divested in 1984. Are you sure about that? Start by clicking on some of the links. You should be done reading by say, late October. And I know you're a fast reader.

Re: [CGUYS] Comcast puts on the brakes

2008-09-17 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
At the time it ensured our country of having a world class phone system. Well since that time it has slipped a bit. Regulated public utilities worked well. It limited the ability of utilities to just raise rates to increase returns, and limited them to request rate increases when they could

Re: [CGUYS] LHC

2008-09-17 Thread Paul Meyer
Anyway to get a black hole to suck up CO2? --- On Thu, 9/11/08, Fred Holmes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Fred Holmes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [CGUYS] LHC > To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM > Date: Thursday, September 11, 2008, 12:07 AM > At 09:44 PM 9/10/2008, Tom Piwowar wrot

Re: [CGUYS] Comcast puts on the brakes

2008-09-17 Thread Eric S. Sande
By the way that was done at one time for another utility, called the phone company. This is a good place to start: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingsbury_Commitment Telecom has a long and extremely involved history of regulation, nationalization, reregulation, deregulation, mergers, acquisitio

Re: [CGUYS] Al3x's Rules for Computing Happiness

2008-09-17 Thread Paul Meyer
How about using software that does many things poorly if it also smacks you on the head? --- On Fri, 9/12/08, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [CGUYS] Al3x's Rules for Computing Happiness > To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM > Date: Frida

Re: [CGUYS] iTunes 8 causing BSOD

2008-09-17 Thread mike
Maybe you can paint an MS on the foreheads of all the peevish ones so we can point at them in crowds. On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 6:24 PM, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >He's the one with the zune?? I never knew he could squirt songs. > > Notice how peevish the WFBs get as MS's market sh

Re: [CGUYS] Comcast puts on the brakes

2008-09-17 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
By the way that was done at one time for another utility, called the phone company. They had to supply phone service to just about everyone. That is what led to a lot of phone co-ops all over the US. Your long distance rates covered what it cost to supply a phone to Timbuktu. Stewart At 07:

Re: [CGUYS] iTunes 8 causing BSOD

2008-09-17 Thread Tom Piwowar
>He's the one with the zune?? I never knew he could squirt songs. Notice how peevish the WFBs get as MS's market share slips away. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calm

Re: [CGUYS] Comcast puts on the brakes

2008-09-17 Thread Jeff Wright
> The solution may be as simple as to void all exclusive franchises and > any legislation that keeps communities from entering the market to correct > market inefficiencies that may cause them to get bypassed. By God, there's hope for you yet. Maybe the idiot king of the FCC, Kevin Martin, can a

Re: [CGUYS] iTunes 8 causing BSOD

2008-09-17 Thread mike
He's the one with the zune?? I never knew he could squirt songs. On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >You really need to get someone to write you a new script. > > You go play with your Zune. > > >

Re: [CGUYS] iTunes 8 causing BSOD

2008-09-17 Thread Tom Piwowar
>You really need to get someone to write you a new script. You go play with your Zune. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cg

Re: [CGUYS] "Help!" Update

2008-09-17 Thread John DeCarlo
On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 4:55 PM, Kelly J. Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > When I originally dragged and dropped my data from my Linux partition to > the external drive (formatted FAT32), I dragged folders that were created in > Linux ext2 but that contained .doc, .txt, .html, .pdf, and .jpg fil

Re: [CGUYS] iTunes 8 causing BSOD

2008-09-17 Thread mike
I've never had an issue with iTunes. Real? ugh. On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 3:15 PM, Tony B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've been warning people off itunes for a long time anyway. As bad as > Real ever was, which I've had similar bad luck with. > > >

Re: [CGUYS] iTunes 8 causing BSOD

2008-09-17 Thread Chris Dunford
> Old news. Corrected version is out. > > So much for Vista's protected mode computing. You really need to get someone to write you a new script. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** *

Re: [CGUYS] iTunes 8 causing BSOD

2008-09-17 Thread Tony B
I've been warning people off itunes for a long time anyway. As bad as Real ever was, which I've had similar bad luck with. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a me

[CGUYS] Test what your ISP is blocking

2008-09-17 Thread Fred Holmes
http://www.eff.org/testyourisp/switzerland * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ **

Re: [CGUYS] iTunes 8 causing BSOD

2008-09-17 Thread mike
Yeah Tom, MS team members program iTunes for Apple now. Tell us another one On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 1:21 PM, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Apple's iTunes 8 has some interesting side effects. It causes a BSOD on > >Vista: > > Old news. Corrected version is out. > > So much for Vista'

Re: [CGUYS] iTunes 8 causing BSOD

2008-09-17 Thread Larry Sacks
>>>Apple's iTunes 8 has some interesting side effects. It causes a BSOD on >>>Vista: >>Old news. Corrected version is out. >> >>So much for Vista's protected mode computing. Yawn... predictable... >The problem, as I understand it, is a driver that Apple supplied. >Drivers tend to run at kernel

[CGUYS] "Help!" Update

2008-09-17 Thread Kelly J. Morris
Greetings - For the last few days, I have been testing data recovery software and trying to find the folders and files from my WD 500 GB USB external drive. No luck, in particular with "Search and Recover" and "Easy Recovery Pro." When I originally dragged and dropped my data from my Linux p

Re: [CGUYS] iTunes 8 causing BSOD

2008-09-17 Thread Roger D. Parish
At 4:21 PM -0400 9/17/08, Tom Piwowar wrote: >Apple's iTunes 8 has some interesting side effects. It causes a BSOD on Vista: Old news. Corrected version is out. So much for Vista's protected mode computing. The problem, as I understand it, is a driver that Apple supplied. Drivers tend t

Re: [CGUYS] iTunes 8 causing BSOD

2008-09-17 Thread Tom Piwowar
>Apple's iTunes 8 has some interesting side effects. It causes a BSOD on >Vista: Old news. Corrected version is out. So much for Vista's protected mode computing. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archi

Re: [CGUYS] Comcast puts on the brakes

2008-09-17 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Yes but not in the things of man. "My hope is built on nothing less, than Jesus and his righteousness." That is how the hymn is sung. I pray for my leaders and such, but I do not put my faith in them dangerous thing, putting faith in man. Stewart At 02:24 PM 9/17/2008, you wrote: That'

Re: [CGUYS] Comcast puts on the brakes

2008-09-17 Thread Roger D. Parish
At 1:46 PM -0500 9/17/08, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: My connection is that nothing much will happen NO MATTER WHICH of the two major party candidates are elected. We will not elect anyone who wants to change the status quo. They will just move around the deck chairs a little on the cruise

Re: [CGUYS] Comcast puts on the brakes

2008-09-17 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
My connection is that nothing much will happen NO MATTER WHICH of the two major party candidates are elected. We will not elect anyone who wants to change the status quo. They will just move around the deck chairs a little on the cruise ship. Stewart At 01:29 PM 9/17/2008, you wrote: Ab

Re: [CGUYS] Will HP Replace Windows with Its Own OS?

2008-09-17 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 3:20 PM, Larry Sacks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Hold on, that is a post EDS merger trimming. That percentage is not at > >all unusual after a merger. The merged company will find many positions > > >duplicated with only enough work required to justify one position. > > >

Re: [CGUYS] Comcast puts on the brakes

2008-09-17 Thread Steve Rigby
On Sep 17, 2008, at 1:37 PM, Larry Sacks wrote: In the interest of equal opportunity political whining... Don't worry about this, Barack and Biden will make everything all better. In the meantime, just chill. Help is on the way. Absolutely. We would not want to leave any of our hot air l

[CGUYS] iTunes 8 causing BSOD

2008-09-17 Thread Larry Sacks
Forgive me for talking about computers here, but I thought some people would like to know this... Apple's iTunes 8 has some interesting side effects. It causes a BSOD on Vista: http://support.apple.com/kb/TS2280 "Symptoms After installing iTunes 8 for Windows, some users may see a

Re: [CGUYS] Comcast puts on the brakes

2008-09-17 Thread Constance Warner
BTW, Palin will be VICE President if McCain is elected. If that happens, let's hope he stays healthy and that she doesn't try to pull a Cheney. Incidentally, she has turned against and betrayed nearly every political figure who has ever helped her, so if McCain is elected, it could be an interest

Re: [CGUYS] Comcast puts on the brakes

2008-09-17 Thread Larry Sacks
-Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Emmerling Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 10:22 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Comcast puts on the brakes On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 11:45 AM, Steve Rigby <[EMAI

Re: [CGUYS] Comcast puts on the brakes

2008-09-17 Thread John Emmerling
On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 11:45 AM, Steve Rigby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sep 17, 2008, at 9:44 AM, Tom Piwowar wrote: > >> Why should some fat cat who pays himself $1,000,000/day not be held >> [responsible?] > > The pit bull with lipstick is gonna roll into DC and "correct" all of this >

Re: [CGUYS] Comcast puts on the brakes

2008-09-17 Thread Steve Rigby
On Sep 17, 2008, at 9:44 AM, Tom Piwowar wrote: Why should some fat cat who pays himself $1,000,000/day not be held responsible for operating a company recklessly in a manner that causes huge losses to the nation's economy, causes innocent people to lose their jobs, homes, savings, pensions,

Re: [CGUYS] Comcast puts on the brakes

2008-09-17 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Cable companies are not anywhere. Cable companies operate at the whim/franchise agreement of a local community. Nothing about them is a regulated utility. That is why Phone Companies have screamed about what Cable can get away with while they are regulated. Stewart At 10:36 AM 9/17/2008, y

Re: [CGUYS] Comcast puts on the brakes

2008-09-17 Thread Steve Rigby
On Sep 16, 2008, at 9:45 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: If Comcast is a regulated public utility and you pay your bills do they really have the right to cut off your service for any other reason? I do not believe that Comcast is a publicly regulated utility, at least not around where I live.

Re: [CGUYS] Comcast puts on the brakes

2008-09-17 Thread Tom Piwowar
>Oh my. Being a half-assed govt created and approved monopoly is now the >equivalent to that of a violent criminal? Has Comcast actually committed a >*crime*? You are quite a spinner. Here we go for another round of "Thank You for Not Smoking." I think the events in the financial markets over

Re: [CGUYS] Comcast puts on the brakes

2008-09-17 Thread Jeff Wright
> The United States keeps getting further behind other countries that act > like broadband is important to their economies--it is. Broadband > companies are suffering from old ways of thinking. They can't/won't > solve problems that aren't particularly complicated because it will cut > into the pro

Re: [CGUYS] Comcast puts on the brakes

2008-09-17 Thread Jeff Wright
> Once they become "King of the Mountain," most > companies will make every attempt to prevent any challenge to their > exclusive arrangement. Corporations in such a position have no > interest in "free market" principles. The "free market" is for > wannabes. This is very true and in no way am I

Re: [CGUYS] Comcast puts on the brakes

2008-09-17 Thread Jeff Wright
> Is pursuing a murderer or a thief micromananging? How about those > meddlers in the fire department? Should we not let fires rage free? Oh my. Being a half-assed govt created and approved monopoly is now the equivalent to that of a violent criminal? Has Comcast actually committed a *crime*? Y