Seriously, this is funnier than Monty Python's old Ministry of
Arguments
sketch.
No, it isn't!
If only this thread would pine for the fjords.
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How were they to move around all day? I've always wondered...
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 5:28 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:
Get with the program! the 20 iMac is much more practical...
I spent the day working on several 24-inch iMacs. It was s nice.
- I need a decent-size screen and a real keyboard.
Not in class you don't. At home you use a real keyboard and any of a
number of inexpensive flat panel monitors.
Once again, you're telling me what I need and don't need, which has been the
basic McFan response here. The response is not,
Please point out what solution to this set of needs Apple provides:
You forgot to insist that it must be brown.
What a silly, meaningless response this is.
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How were they to move around all day? I've always wondered...
I just noticed that some of the seats on Metro trains have electric
outlets under them. Obviously put there for iMac users.
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Seriously, this is funnier than Monty Python's old Ministry of
Arguments sketch.
No, it isn't!
Yes, it is.
Oh look, this isn't an argument.
It occurred to me last night that there's another Python bit that's even
more on point than the argument sketch.
I'm thinking of Holy
I'm thinking of Holy Grail, where the questers ask the French, Who
will
join us in our quest for the Holy Grail? John Cleese, in his
ridiculous
French accent, leans over the castle wall and responds that they
already
have one, then bends down to his confreres and says, I told them we
Get with the program! the 20 iMac is much more practical...
I spent the day working on several 24-inch iMacs. It was s nice.
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That's true, MS did stack the deck to artificially exclude apple..I mean she
wanted a portable computer and Apple doesn't have one of those...she wanted
a reasonable price, and we KNOW Apple doesn't have reasonable prices. Man
how dishonest! Anyone needing a portable just buy an imac and lug
You forgot to insist that it must be brown.
What a silly, meaningless response this is.
I have this image of Tom sitting at home being deliberately obtuse,
seeing how much shit he can stir up on this list. It's really not worth
it to play his games.
I know. It has occurred to me more
On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 10:24 PM, Steve at Verizon stevet...@verizon.netwrote:
She wanted a LAPTOP!!!
Do you not understand that some people need a machine they can use in the
classroom, or on a plane, or working from their hotel room when traveling.
Surely you are not ignorant of the many
The requirements were artificially contrived to exclude
a very good and appropriate computer that Apple does make
that competes with the 8-pound laptop.
Right, the need to be able to take the machine with you is unbelievably
artificial. How ridiculous. Nobody in the real world needs to take
Now you are talking! :-)
Stewart
At 09:39 PM 3/30/2009, you wrote:
Yeah it is called chopped steak!
Extra Value Meal?
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No - I am saying, as one with decades professionally in and out of
academic environments, that the overwhelming majority of classroom
settings are inhospitable to both the physical profile and battery
life of a 17 inch laptop. A smaller laptop that will actually fit on
a standard class
Actually the better choice right now is the netbooks for classroom notes etc.
They are light very portable and not a huge footprint.
I was in Target the other day and they had a closeout on a Linux ASUS
netbook for 212.00.
Those truly are the portable choice right now. Download your stuff
Maybe she needed a laptop today, not three years from now after scrimping
and saving? Maybe she wanted one with at least some kind of warranty rather
then a 4 year old mac that has nothing but duct tape and a wing and a prayer
keeping it together.
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 7:49 AM, Constance
My point is that Lady Shopright COULD have had a Mac laptop, IF she
hadn't wanted to pay a Wal-Mart discount price for a fancy, premium
new machine. Which is pretty unrealistic--if she had done 5 minutes'
worth of research on the Net, she would have known that. No need for
even a pretend
That's true, MS did stack the deck to artificially exclude apple.
Game Over.
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Well she could have a laptop running MAC OSX for under $1K. It would of
course be a hackintosh. If she were happy with a netbook then she could
just pull it off for under $500 including buying OSX.5. That M$ gets some
money, Apple gets some money and MSI or dell or whoever gets some money.
Not quite sure how I 'changed the facts'--everything I posted was
factual. It's certainly true that you can get a Mac laptop for less
than $1K, if you don't demand the latest fancy model, you don't want
it instantly, and you're willing to do some research. It's all a
matter of
It's like a bad horror movie...just when you think it's over it comes back.
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:
Well she could have a laptop running MAC OSX for under $1K. It would of
course be a hackintosh. If she were happy with a netbook then she could
Must be irritated horribly by all those Apple ads then.
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Constance Warner cawar...@his.com wrote:
I'm not irritated by her personal choice; I just don't like the deceptive
rhetoric and the silly attitudes of the commercial.
It's true, the art of the
She wanted a LAPTOP!!!
Why do you repeated tell her she can't have one?
She did not buy a laptop. She bought a compact desktop that takes the
form of a laptop, but it is not a laptop computer. It is too big, bulky,
and heavy.
Tom, read the subject line!
I wrote that subject line. It belongs to me. It is the title of the
commercial, not a reference to a type of computer.
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Does any of this affect the truthiness of its basic point, that if you need
a laptop with a decent size screen and you have only a thousand bucks,
you're out of luck with Apple because they don't make one? Isn't that
factually accurate?
No it is nonesense. The big, bulky, heavy, blurry thing she
I already defended you on this one. Tom is too small and frail to lift 8
pounds! It's not his fault he's built weak.
(No one tell Tom that Apple sells a laptop that is only 1.2 pounds lighter)
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:
She wanted a LAPTOP!!!
Why do
Right, but your solution to the gal who wanted a laptop was an iMac
which is not.
Tom Piwowar wrote:
Tom, read the subject line!
I wrote that subject line. It belongs to me. It is the title of the
commercial, not a reference to a type of computer.
(No one tell Tom that Apple sells a laptop that is only 1.2 pounds lighter)
I don't comsider that a laptop. It is actually a portable video
production studio. That is what it is bought for. That is why it costs
what it costs. It competes with alternatives selling upwards of $100,000.
That Mac
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 8:06 PM, Jeff Wright jswri...@gmail.com wrote:
Seriously, this is funnier than Monty Python's old Ministry of
Arguments
sketch.
No, it isn't!
If only this thread would pine for the fjords.
True story The Apple Genius told me that my Wife's 2cnd Generation Nano
On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 06:51:52 -0400, Chris Dunford wrote:
I have this image of Tom sitting at home being deliberately obtuse,
seeing how much shit he can stir up on this list. It's really not worth
it to play his games.
I know. It has occurred to me more than once that if this were anyplace
Seriously, this is funnier than Monty Python's old Ministry of
Arguments
sketch.
No, it isn't!
Yes, it is.
Oh look, this isn't an argument.
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Get with the program! the 20 iMac is much more
practical...
Rocky
Date:Tue, 31 Mar 2009 14:27:56 -0400
From:Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com
Subject: Re: Laptop Hunters
(No one tell Tom that Apple sells a laptop that is only
1.2 pounds lighter)
I don't comsider that a laptop. It
Well, if she started out her quest [for a laptop] with a set of
inflexible requirements that the real world might not be able to
meet--including parts of the real world like computer stores--she's
limited her options and determined the outcome of her shopping trip
before she's even
Well, if she started out her quest [for a laptop] with a set of
inflexible requirements that the real world might not be able to
meet--including parts of the real world like computer stores--she's
limited her options and determined the outcome of her shopping trip
before she's even started.
Constance, wanting a laptop for under $1,000 is neither unreasonable nor
impossible. The parts of the real world that are unable to meet her
requirements are not computer stores but Apple stores.
You are a victim of the Microsoft reality distortion field.
We have already established that:
1)
I still say, that going shopping with preconceived notions and
requirements is fundamentally unrealistic. The real world does not
organize itself according to our wishes. If she's even thinking of
buying a Mac [which from context it's clear that she's NOT] she
needs to look at Macs
For this class of computer Apple has a better idea and it
is the 20-inch iMac.
Jeff is right, this whole thing is too funny for words. The idea of carting
a 20 iMac to class or Starbucks, along with the 20-foot orange extension
cord required to plug it in somewhere, well, stop it, you're
If Lady Shopright has only $1K to buy a computer with, and economy is
her SOLE AND MAJOR consideration, she can get a refurb Mac laptop for
less--probably a 17 to boot. When making a purchasing decision,
there is always a balancing of factors. If Lady Shopright insists on
17, laptop
Obviously I'm not saying that I or anyone else should have ZERO
criteria when shopping. What I am saying is that if you demand
EVERYTHING you want at a totally unrealistic price, you're going to
be disappointed.
And as for money is no object: my first Mac laptop, for which I
waited MANY
Now you get the point of the commercial! She couldn't seriously consider
a Mac, as there were zero options, given her budget and requirements.
She obviously didn't know that, else why would she have traveled to the
Apple Store. So she must have learned that fact there, hence the short
visit.
Constance I am not sure how you shop but I shop with a budget and a list.
I have a preconceived idea of what I need and want before I go
shopping. Ever go to a grocery store without a list? How much do
you spend without a list versus with a list.
When I go shopping for a car I have a
Again, changing the facts won't win your argument.
She got what she wanted, for the price she wanted...just because your
irritated it wasn't a mac doesn't mean she didn't.
On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 9:23 AM, Constance Warner cawar...@his.com wrote:
You don't have to be rich to afford a Mac.
Constance I can go to Wal-Marts site right now and buy a Dell Studio
17 laptop which is their latest model and available for under $1K.
And yes I do know Dells and own three of them right now. I have
found them to be virtually problem free.
Stewart
At 11:23 AM 3/30/2009, you wrote:
You
Speaking only for myself I start with a list of:
1. What capabilities I need.
2. What capabilities I want.
3. What capabilities would be nice.
Then I figure out what it costs to get first 1, then to add on 2, then
to add on 3. Only at that point do I decide what I am willing to
spend
Rev...they aren't *macs*, they are crap...bottom feeder hardware..oh wait I
mean scum sucking bottom feeder hardware. At least to our friends on the
other side.
On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall
popoz...@earthlink.net wrote:
Constance I can go to Wal-Marts site right now
:-)
Stewart
At 02:19 PM 3/30/2009, you wrote:
Rev...they aren't *macs*, they are crap...bottom feeder hardware..oh wait I
mean scum sucking bottom feeder hardware. At least to our friends on the
other side.
Rev. Stewart A. Marshall
mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net
Prince of Peace
Speaking only for myself I start with a list of:
1. What capabilities I need.
2. What capabilities I want.
3. What capabilities would be nice.
That is exactly the point. You don't start off saying I need a laptop.
You start with capabilities and needs.
You say I need a small, light computer
Constance I am not sure how you shop but I shop with a budget and a list.
I have a preconceived idea of what I need and want before I go
shopping. Ever go to a grocery store without a list? How much do
you spend without a list versus with a list.
Do you go shopping for a steak dinner with a
Or you say I need a compact one-piece computer that won't clutter my
house with computer hardware. For that need an 8-pound laptop may be
just fine. The 20-inch iMac would also be fine.
My point is that saying it must be a laptop makes as much sense as
saying
your MP3 player must be brown.
Now you get the point of the commercial! She couldn't seriously consider
a Mac, as there were zero options, given her budget and requirements.
Now you don't get the point. The requirements were artificially contrived
to exclude a very good and appropriate computer that Apple does make that
Constance I am not sure how you shop but I shop with a budget and a
list.
I have a preconceived idea of what I need and want before I go
shopping. Ever go to a grocery store without a list? How much do
you spend without a list versus with a list.
When I go shopping for a car I have a
Constance, if she only has $1,000, she only has $1,000.
20-inch iMac is $999 at the Apple Online Store today. Right on the home
page.
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Can walk into a store and buy it off the shelf?
Donna
In a message dated 3/30/2009 8:43:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
t...@tjpa.com writes:
Constance, if she only has $1,000, she only has $1,000.
20-inch iMac is $999 at the Apple Online Store today. Right on the home
page.
Yeah it is called chopped steak!
Stewart
At 07:23 PM 3/30/2009, you wrote:
Constance I am not sure how you shop but I shop with a budget and a list.
I have a preconceived idea of what I need and want before I go
shopping. Ever go to a grocery store without a list? How much do
you spend
Constance, if she only has $1,000, she only has $1,000.
20-inch iMac is $999 at the Apple Online Store today. Right on the home
page.
You really just don't seem to get that you can't take your iMac to class or
on a plane, do you? Is it THAT difficult a concept?
On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 02:05:09 -0400, Constance Warner wrote:
Well, if she started out her quest [for a laptop] with a set of
inflexible requirements that the real world might not be able to
meet--including parts of the real world like computer stores--she's
limited her options and determined
Speaking only for myself I start with a list of:
1. What capabilities I need.
2. What capabilities I want.
3. What capabilities would be nice.
That is exactly the point. You don't start off saying I need a
laptop. You start with capabilities and needs.
Yes, and if your needs include
On Mar 30, 2009, at 9:33 PM, Chris Dunford wrote:
Speaking only for myself I start with a list of:
1. What capabilities I need.
2. What capabilities I want.
3. What capabilities would be nice.
That is exactly the point. You don't start off saying I need a
laptop. You start with
Tom, read the subject line!
Tom Piwowar wrote:
Constance, if she only has $1,000, she only has $1,000.
20-inch iMac is $999 at the Apple Online Store today. Right on the home
page.
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On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 22:46:08 -0400, Chris Dunford wrote:
Please point out what solution to this set of needs Apple provides:
You forgot to insist that it must be brown.
What a silly, meaningless response this is.
I have this image of Tom sitting at home being deliberately obtuse,
seeing how
Now, if Apple wants to run a commercial where someone is looking for a
PC and is sold on the Mac's features and buys one. . .fine! It's really
unrealistic to expect Microsoft to pay for an Apple commercial.
I don't expect them to. I do expect them to make a better case for
getting a PC. What is
Can walk into a store and buy it off the shelf?
Don't try this at Giant or Safeway.
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You really just don't seem to get that you can't take your iMac to class or
on a plane, do you? Is it THAT difficult a concept?
You really just don't seem to get that carrying around an 8-pound big and
bulky is a misery. Even more miserable than using Vista.
Yeah it is called chopped steak!
Extra Value Meal?
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Please point out what solution to this set of needs Apple provides:
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She wanted a LAPTOP!!!
Do you not understand that some people need a machine they can use in
the classroom, or on a plane, or working from their hotel room when
traveling. Surely you are not ignorant of the many reasons for the use
of a laptop.
Why do you repeated tell her she can't have
Constance, if she only has $1,000, she only has $1,000.
Since Microsoft bought the computer for her she now has
$1000 and a computer.
This guy will GIVE her a 17 screen G4 Macbook.
http://i.gizmodo.com/5187031/lauren-we-have-someone-whod-like-to-talk-to-you
If she sells the one Microsoft
We aren't going to debate the intelligence of actors are we?
On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 10:03 PM, katan ka...@his.com wrote:
On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 14:09:57 -0400, Tom Piwowar wrote:
She wanted a Mac? In a *Microsoft* commercial? I believe the point of
her going to an Apple store was to show
Isn't that an Oxy Moron?
Stewart
At 01:38 AM 3/29/2009, you wrote:
We aren't going to debate the intelligence of actors are we?
On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 10:03 PM, katan ka...@his.com wrote:
On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 14:09:57 -0400, Tom Piwowar wrote:
She wanted a Mac? In a *Microsoft*
She wanted a Mac? In a *Microsoft* commercial? I believe the point of
her going to an Apple store was to show that there isn't much choice
there for less than $1K. She probably knew that going in.
Then why did she go there? The buying habits of WFBs are mighty strange.
If you want to buy
No they go to AJ's and realize they can get the same crap for less at
Safeway.
On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 8:01 AM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:
She wanted a Mac? In a *Microsoft* commercial? I believe the point of
her going to an Apple store was to show that there isn't much choice
there for
On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 18:53:18 -0400, Eric S. Sande wrote:
...without any real comment on the phenomena of the worlds largest software
maker feeling the need to advertise a third party product (an HP computer
I believe in this case)
Product placement. Any Apple ad is about hardware, the box is
On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 20:26:12 -0400, Tom Piwowar wrote:
Perhaps you may have been hoodwinked? This shopper was an actress (a real
one: member of the Screen Actors Guild
http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_12003603), not a real shopper. We will
probably never know how much of the dialog was improv vs.
Safeway?? They should be going to Giant where it is cheaper still.
And Wegman's is yet cheaper (and way better).
Actually I get some food stuffs at Target which is half Giant.
Yes, but it's difficult to find truffle butter at Target.
On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 12:21 PM, Chris Dunford ch...@covesoftware.comwrote:
Safeway?? They should be going to Giant where it is cheaper still.
And Wegman's is yet cheaper (and way better).
Wegman's is hit or miss for me. If it is on sale it's cheaper but for many
things it is more.
Fine. But they still wouldn't sell her what she wanted. A laptop with a
17' monitor for less than $1K
She could have bought an iMac with a 20-inch screen for $1099 by flashing
her college ID. That is so close that the difference is mere quibbling.
And the Mac comes with a great suite of
She could have bought an iMac with a 20-inch screen for $1099 by
flashing
her college ID. That is so close that the difference is mere quibbling.
You seem to be confused Thomas, so let me help.
A laptop (also known as a notebook) is a personal computer designed for
mobile use small enough to
Unbiased like...you? You *are* funny.
Lugging around a 20 iMac would be great! Where is that handle?...
On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:
Fine. But they still wouldn't sell her what she wanted. A laptop with a
17' monitor for less than $1K
She could have
On Sun, 29 Mar 2009 15:37:28 -0400, Tom Piwowar wrote:
She could have bought an iMac with a 20-inch screen for $1099 by flashing
her college ID. That is so close that the difference is mere quibbling.
And the Mac comes with a great suite of software that is an extra cost
with the PC.
A real
Fine. But they still wouldn't sell her what she wanted. A
laptop with a 17' monitor for less than $1K
She could have bought an iMac with a 20-inch screen for
$1099 by flashing her college ID. That is so close that
the difference is mere quibbling.
Just won't give up, eh? You seem to
Unbiased like...you? You *are* funny.
Here I sit with a Mac and a PC side by side like cats and dogs. I am
highly proficient with both. Can you say the same?
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You've sold me! One thing though: What's the battery life on that?
Let's be real here. Most laptops are never disconnected from the mains.
This causes their batteries to rot so portable use is precluded.
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Just because you don't move your portable doesn't mean no one does. I've
got four close friends who live their lives from their laptops, 3 of them
don't even have desktop units at home, the laptop goes everywhere. Two of
those guys are mac guys.
On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Tom Piwowar
A laptop (also known as a notebook) is a personal computer designed for
mobile use small enough to sit on one's lap.
And MP3 players must be brown.
People buy PC laptops because PC desktops are so dorky. Apple provides
MORE CHOICES. A different class of machine that is both cool and not
A laptop (also known as a notebook) is a personal computer designed for
mobile use small enough to sit on one's lap.
And MP3 players must be brown.
An unusually bizarre comment, even for you. You are saying that laptops do
NOT have to be small enough to sit on one's lap?
People buy PC laptops
Just won't give up, eh? You seem to always omit one of her requirements,
accidentally I am sure. She specified a laptop. Last I checked, iMac was a
desktop. Not very convenient for carrying to her busboy classes at the
community college.
Next you'll have her running around town looking for an MP3
And some people wonder why mac users are thought of as elitist snobs.
On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:
Tell the truth. A real person would have bought the iMac with a much
larger 20-inch screen and the software needed to get work done.
Tell the truth. A real person would have bought the iMac with a much
larger 20-inch screen and the software needed to get work done.
Tell the truth. You're unable to admit that real people might want or need a
laptop because that would require you to finally answer the question, which
you
I can't believe this has gone on so long.
This was a dumb ad, based on the thinnest of premises, designed to lure
the simplest of sheeple.
katan wrote:
She wanted a Mac? In a *Microsoft* commercial? I believe the point of
her going to an Apple store was to show that there isn't much choice
On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 10:02 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote:
Ya got an url for those mythical beasts, cheapest mac I've seen around
there
was the 599 mac mini...
On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 5:41 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:
Hey, guys. You don't need to exaggerate to make your
Ah, he said new...spose those are the 'new' old models.
On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 6:04 AM, John Duncan Yoyo
johnduncany...@gmail.comwrote:
On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 10:02 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote:
Ya got an url for those mythical beasts, cheapest mac I've seen around
there
was the 599
On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 9:45 PM, betty b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote:
I looked at the video. Lauren didn't go into the Apple Store at all. She
walked to the door, turned around and walked away. Same guy is walking past
in both scenes.
An astute observation. You are absolutely correct. The ad
She's an actress...it's...um...fake. It's not real. It's just an advert
:) It's kinda like justin long isn't *really* a mac...he's actually a human
being POSING as a mac.
On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 6:47 AM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote:
On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 9:45 PM, betty
On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 9:42 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote:
Ah, he said new...spose those are the 'new' old models.
Well new to him. The refurbs are even cheaper.
--
John Duncan Yoyo
---o)
I could see maybe getting one if it was 250 or 299...
On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 7:33 AM, John Duncan Yoyo
johnduncany...@gmail.comwrote:
On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 9:42 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote:
Ah, he said new...spose those are the 'new' old models.
Well new to him. The refurbs are
An astute observation. You are absolutely correct. The ad agency
did some editing to make it appear as though she entered the store,
but failed to notice that in their attempt to deceive the viewer, they
deceived themselves instead.
For heavens' sake, everyone, this isn't a documentary,
Ah, he said new...spose those are the 'new' old models.
Well new to him. The refurbs are even cheaper.
But irrelevant to the ads, of course, as all must agree. A Mac Mini is not a
big screen laptop. Lauren can't haul it back and forth to her busboy classes
at the community college.
On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 10:14 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote:
She's an actress...it's...um...fake. It's not real. It's just an advert
:) It's kinda like justin long isn't *really* a mac...he's actually a human
being POSING as a mac.
Well, in the ad she says she went into the store and
Blah...the bald guy was just wandering around out front...took me about 22
seconds last time I was in an apple store to see I didn't want to spend 2k
on a laptop...and literally another 1.2 minutes to buy my new ipod nano.
On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 7:55 AM, phartz...@gmail.com
How is Silverlight BETTER than Flash or MPEG that both work on almost
all computers?
It's from Microsoft (I thought you knew that). That makes it is obviously
better. It is also better because it won't have all the incompatability
problems that the other products will soon have.
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