Re: [CGUYS] Who Writes These Headlines?

2009-11-14 Thread Jeff Miles
This argument leads me to think about the complaints I've heard the most about when it comes to bad writing. Which I'm sure I'm guilty. But tech. manuals and other such types are and continue to be the worst. Back in the 7th grade (1975) I was enlightened to the difficulties of writing a

Re: [CGUYS] Who Writes These Headlines?

2009-11-14 Thread Chris Dunford
This argument leads me to think about the complaints I've heard the most about when it comes to bad writing. Which I'm sure I'm guilty. But tech. manuals and other such types are and continue to be the worst.. I used to edit tech manuals. Talk about bad writing. Some of the errors I found

Re: [CGUYS] Who Writes These Headlines?

2009-11-13 Thread Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)
I agree, Betty. Reliable tech news is limited. The W Post and NY Times have some good tech writers, but that is about as far as I go for general US news media. Even NPR does not have a good tech reporter (except for Science Friday, but that is mostly science, not tech news). Most general

Re: [CGUYS] Who Writes These Headlines?

2009-11-13 Thread tjpa
On Nov 13, 2009, at 6:21 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) wrote: I agree, Betty. Reliable tech news is limited. The W Post and NY Times have some good tech writers, but that is about as far as I go for general US news media. Even NPR does not have a good tech reporter (except for Science

Re: [CGUYS] Who Writes These Headlines?

2009-11-13 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Cnet is not that bad as they usually have customer reviews alongside their reviews and in some cases they include video reviews. They do not pull punches and the customers do not either. I have steered clear of some items due to customer reviews. Stewart At 12:05 PM 11/13/2009, you wrote:

Re: [CGUYS] Who Writes These Headlines?

2009-11-13 Thread b_s-wilk
I agree, Betty. Reliable tech news is limited. The W Post and NY Times have some good tech writers, but that is about as far as I go for general US news media. Even NPR does not have a good tech reporter (except for Science Friday, but that is mostly science, not tech news). Most general

Re: [CGUYS] Who Writes These Headlines?

2009-11-13 Thread Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)
When does it air in the DC area? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- APM'a Future Tense daily is quick, fun, and usually of good quality. He used to be a bit too gullible on malware stories promoted by the security vultures, but I think his listeners straightened him out on

Re: [CGUYS] Who Writes These Headlines?

2009-11-13 Thread Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)
-8365 -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of b_s-wilk Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 1:26 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Who Writes These Headlines? I agree, Betty. Reliable tech news

Re: [CGUYS] Who Writes These Headlines?

2009-11-13 Thread mike
@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Who Writes These Headlines? I agree, Betty. Reliable tech news is limited. The W Post and NY Times have some good tech writers, but that is about as far as I go for general US news media. Even NPR does not have a good tech reporter (except for Science

Re: [CGUYS] Who Writes These Headlines?

2009-11-13 Thread tjpa
On Nov 13, 2009, at 1:24 PM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) wrote: When does it air in the DC area? Podcast. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and

Re: [CGUYS] Who Writes These Headlines?

2009-11-13 Thread tjpa
On Nov 13, 2009, at 2:07 PM, mike wrote: What about a guy like Mossberg who is seemingly revered in the review tech community. Has he been bought and sold by Apple? I agree that Mossberg is not that good, but I would never call him a shill. If you slow down and actually read his reviews

Re: [CGUYS] Who Writes These Headlines?

2009-11-13 Thread mike
Well it helps if you read what I wrote. Whatever it is you are doing while reading these posts you might want to stop, and if all you are doing is reading them I'd suggest someone read them to you for better comprehension since I never said what you assert. Dance on. On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at

Re: [CGUYS] Who Writes These Headlines?

2009-11-12 Thread Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)
One of the problems I see with the tech writers on the net, especially, is lack of disclosure/honesty. Some of these Bozos own stock or are otherwise blatant shills for the companies they write about. It has been a real problem since the tech press began writing and seems to have grown. I am

Re: [CGUYS] Who Writes These Headlines?

2009-11-12 Thread Chris Dunford
This is a problem with every news site.  Check NYT or LATIMES or any other news paper. Agreed. I see this all the time. Fox Nation is a serial headline-abuser. In their case it appears to be intentional. Nobody could be THAT bad at the summarizing an article's content in a few words,

Re: [CGUYS] Who Writes These Headlines?

2009-11-12 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 7:10 AM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote: Oh, please. He said it has the same legal status AS a religion (or a philosophy). He didn't say that it IS a religion (or a philosophy). Someone tell me this wasn't intentional. I saw a headline yesterday on an online

Re: [CGUYS] Who Writes These Headlines?

2009-11-12 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
This has been going on for over 30 years. My brother was involved in an incident 30+ years ago where he and his friends got attacked. Newspaper headline next day, Gang fight erupts in south Shreveport. Stewart At 06:53 AM 11/12/2009, you wrote: On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 7:10 AM, Chris

Re: [CGUYS] Who Writes These Headlines?

2009-11-12 Thread Steve at Verizon
While we are griping here, let me add the gripe of lack of or poor punctuation. A comma after Chimp would have fully clarified the headline. phartz...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 7:10 AM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote: Oh, please. He said it has the same legal status

Re: [CGUYS] Who Writes These Headlines?

2009-11-12 Thread mike
Says more about global warming than Fox Nation. On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 5:10 AM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote: This is a problem with every news site. Check NYT or LATIMES or any other news paper. Agreed. I see this all the time. Fox Nation is a serial headline-abuser.

Re: [CGUYS] Who Writes These Headlines?

2009-11-12 Thread b_s-wilk
Oh, please. He said it has the same legal status AS a religion (or a philosophy). He didn't say that it IS a religion (or a philosophy). Someone tell me this wasn't intentional. We can expect Fox News and the New York Post to deliberately misrepresent issues in headlines. It's Murdoch's M.O.

Re: [CGUYS] Who Writes These Headlines?

2009-11-12 Thread tjpa
On Nov 12, 2009, at 12:06 AM, b_s-wilk wrote: As long as the readers don't care or demand quality, or pay for quality, it won't be there. Readers are voting with their feet by dropping paid sources with poor- quality for free sources with poor quality. The MBAs running newspapers today do

Re: [CGUYS] Who Writes These Headlines?

2009-11-12 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 12:33 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: The MBAs running newspapers today do not understand the value of their product and what they need to produce to make it worth paying for. So they cut the heart out of their newspapers and magazines and then blame the Internet for

Re: [CGUYS] Who Writes These Headlines?

2009-11-12 Thread Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)
Tom, That seems overly broad. It only applies to some newspapers. As a long-term reader of newspapers, I cringe each time a good paper, such as the W Post or NY Times, loses an important feature or writer. Both papers seem to be run more from a journalistic perspective, than that of your evil

Re: [CGUYS] Who Writes These Headlines?

2009-11-12 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
There is very little of modern music I like to listen too. It is all marketing from The music industry. My one son likes heavy metal (modern heavy) and I cant stand it. My other son listens to Michael Bublee (sic) My daughter likes to listen to Country (An area that is increasingly growing)

Re: [CGUYS] Who Writes These Headlines?

2009-11-12 Thread tjpa
On Nov 12, 2009, at 1:32 PM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) wrote: Tom, That seems overly broad. It only applies to some newspapers. As a long-term reader of newspapers, I cringe each time a good paper, such as the W Post or NY Times, loses an important feature or writer. Both papers seem to be

Re: [CGUYS] Who Writes These Headlines?

2009-11-12 Thread tjpa
On Nov 12, 2009, at 1:48 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Clean up your act, get some real musical talent out and then see music sales jump. It's really that newfangled radio machine that is doing in the music business. They let you listen to music for free.

Re: [CGUYS] Who Writes These Headlines?

2009-11-12 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 2:06 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: It's really that newfangled radio machine that is doing in the music business. They let you listen to music for free. It is a lot more than that, Tom. For instance, discretionary spending. Video game and associated hardware sales

Re: [CGUYS] Who Writes These Headlines?

2009-11-12 Thread tjpa
On Nov 12, 2009, at 2:40 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: It is a lot more than that, Tom. For instance, discretionary spending. Good point. US consumer discretionary spending has been shrinking and their slice of the pie has been shrinking too as consumers are offered more appealing

Re: [CGUYS] Who Writes These Headlines?

2009-11-12 Thread Reid Katan
Quoting tjpa t...@tjpa.com: On Nov 12, 2009, at 1:48 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Clean up your act, get some real musical talent out and then see music sales jump. It's really that newfangled radio machine that is doing in the music business. They let you listen to music for free.

[CGUYS] Who Writes These Headlines?

2009-11-11 Thread tjpa
Read the headline. Read the story. Tell me if this head fits on this body. Bing Now a Serious Challenger to Google http://www.pcworld.com/article/181980/bing_now_a_serious_challenger_to_google.html * ** List info,

Re: [CGUYS] Who Writes These Headlines?

2009-11-11 Thread Tony B
Yes, with nearly 10 percent of the market to Google's 70%, I'd say the headline is accurate. After all, every time Apple market pushes 5% to MS's 90%, you proclaim the end of MS. On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 8:00 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: Read the headline. Read the story. Tell me if this head

Re: [CGUYS] Who Writes These Headlines?

2009-11-11 Thread mike
This is a problem with every news site. Check NYT or LATIMES or any other news paper. On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 6:00 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: Read the headline. Read the story. Tell me if this head fits on this body. Bing Now a Serious Challenger to Google

Re: [CGUYS] Who Writes These Headlines?

2009-11-11 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 8:36 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: This is a problem with every news site.  Check NYT or LATIMES or any other news paper. Agreed. I see this all the time. Steve * ** List info,

Re: [CGUYS] Who Writes These Headlines?

2009-11-11 Thread Reid Katan
Quoting tjpa t...@tjpa.com: Read the headline. Read the story. Tell me if this head fits on this body. Bing Now a Serious Challenger to Google http://www.pcworld.com/article/181980/bing_now_a_serious_challenger_to_google.html Never mind squaring the headline with the body, there doesn't seem

Re: [CGUYS] Who Writes These Headlines?

2009-11-11 Thread b_s-wilk
mike xha...@gmail.com escribió: This is a problem with every news site. Check NYT or LATIMES or any other news paper. This is a somewhat recent phenomenon. I've worked on several newspapers and have done work for magazines and books. Newspaper headlines were edited carefully just as was