Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

The OS is not entirely irrelevant for Mathematica, either. Mathematica is a little slower and somewhat more unstable on Windows than it is for OS X and other Unix or Linux OSs. This mostly shows up when doing highly memory-intensive operations. Also, while it is true that a self-contained Mathe

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

Two questions...and I don't have a zune, I have an ipod. But I'm wondering what is missing on the zune for you? Why did it take an hour on the HP? It sounds more like it is just unfamiliar territory? It takes me less then an hour for me to reinstall my entire os and drivers on my pc then it

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

Right, and this brings up a pretty good example of what I'm talking about. Photoshop is in the same boat as Mathematica in this respect: it runs perfectly well on both Windows and Mac, so the operating system is irrelevant. Nevertheless, when Tom discovers that a few Microsoft print ads were don

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> Case 2: My son majored in physics. He used Mathematica > after dumping Matlab. Although he owns an iLamp, versions > of Mathematica run on any computer he needs to use. > Operating system for either program is irrelevant since > both work well on multiple systems. Right, and this brings up a

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

Two questions...and I don't have a zune, I have an ipod. But I'm wondering what is missing on the zune for you? Why did it take an hour on the HP? It sounds more like it is just unfamiliar territory? It takes me less then an hour for me to reinstall my entire os and drivers on my pc then it did

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

> Sometimes comparing technology feature by feature isn't > enough. Personal preferences are important whether > they're based on specs or price or the shocking pink > case, or all three. Old tech--new tech, doesn't matter as > long as it gets the desired result--or close to it. Absolutely. I

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

>Instead, we get snide remarks: anyone who listens to radio is not really >into music because broadcast playlists are crap; anyone who uses a music >subscription service is dumb; buying music while driving should be illegal > (I still haven't figured that one out); Perhaps there's some sort of pe

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>>> Why are so many upset about stupid MP3 players? >> Steve, it's not really about the MP3 players; it's about the biases of some >> list members and their refusal to be rational where anything to do with >> Microsoft is concerned. >> >> If it were just about the players, I would have quit long

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

Feature-by-feature comparisons can be great, but only if they are meaningful to the specific evaluator. I wrote earlier about my buying more current technologies and wrote some of the reasons. One of the reasons is usefulness; how productive does it make me, or what ever the requirement; for MP3

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

> Sometimes comparing technology feature by feature isn't > enough. Personal preferences are important whether > they're based on specs or price or the shocking pink > case, or all three. Old tech--new tech, doesn't matter as > long as it gets the desired result--or close to it. Absolutely. I w

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

> Why are so many upset about stupid MP3 players? Steve, it's not really about the MP3 players; it's about the biases of some list members and their refusal to be rational where anything to do with Microsoft is concerned. If it were just about the players, I would have quit long ago. The proble

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

Well, I guess I have been appropriately put down. Thank you. ### Bernie It is an on-topic technology discussion. If it bores you, we do not mind if you delete messages with this topic. However, we don't care for such rude, pompous notes. Start a more interesting topic. Thank you, Mark Snyder

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

On Sep 23, 2008, at 2:51 PM, Chris Dunford wrote: Why are so many upset about stupid MP3 players? Steve, it's not really about the MP3 players; it's about the biases of some list members and their refusal to be rational where anything to do with Microsoft is concerned. My question was

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

> The life cycle of a particular laptop is about three years, no 20! When > I say not much has changed, I mean recently and to the current crop of > laptop models. I want an Apple (in office have new HP Compaq 8510p) - > my Apple laptop is over five years old. > > I must watch changes at a differ

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

; From: Computer Guys Discussion List > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mike > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 2:04 PM > To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM > Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD] > > Well..you didn't give any reasons here...just said y

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

> Why are so many upset about stupid MP3 players? Steve, it's not really about the MP3 players; it's about the biases of some list members and their refusal to be rational where anything to do with Microsoft is concerned. If it were just about the players, I would have quit long ago. The problem

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD] Well..you didn't give any reasons here...just said you had reasons gained from your experience. I'm honestly not trying to play some game with you, I'm really interested in why you are backing off laptops? If laptops have done little on new

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

On Sep 23, 2008, at 1:13 PM, Snyder, Mark (IT CIV) wrote: It is an on-topic technology discussion. If it bores you, we do not mind if you delete messages with this topic. However, we don't care for such rude, pompous notes. Start a more interesting topic. Why are so many upset about stu

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

Well..you didn't give any reasons here...just said you had reasons gained from your experience. I'm honestly not trying to play some game with you, I'm really interested in why you are backing off laptops? If laptops have done little on new technology in their life cycle of say 20 years, why do

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

My reasons and opinions are based on over 25 years in the tech field. I gave you enough facts, if you have any tech experience evaluating, selecting, buying, maintaining and replacing tech products. I did not mean that support will disappear very soon from these vendors. I am sure MS and Apple w

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

Please do not think I presume to be able to prevent you from buying what ever you'd like. Do not think I will disparage you over what ever choice you make. I was stating my opinions on tech, not about you - or your decisions. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- > I meant I would

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

We're a family of brothers and sisters, in-laws and cousins and aunts and uncles and going on 20 year neighbors..sometimes stay too long at dinner after drinking too much. We'll get testy and then go home, sober up and call again another day. Mike On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 9:44 AM, Bernie Hylton <

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

It is an on-topic technology discussion. If it bores you, we do not mind if you delete messages with this topic. However, we don't care for such rude, pompous notes. Start a more interesting topic. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Please shut this discussion down. It has long s

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

I never said I was attacked. I'm just weary of the left handed insults. How about more explanation instead of dismissals? Your reasons for not buying an ipod, that it won't be supported isn't proven out by facts. When pressed we get that questioning your view is half baked. Could have just said

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>> But more importantly, you really ignored what I said, to wit, if what >> you want is a lot of storage, or if you can't afford a Touch, then >> there's no choice except between Classic and Zune. You choose one of >> those, or nothing. > > I meant I would not buy something Apple designed 6-7 years

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

Please shut this discussion down. It has long since sank below the standards of playground spat. ### Bernie If you have the time, isn't everywhere walking distance? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, arc

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Mike, Don't let yourself be insulted so easily. Half-baked was directed at the idea, not the person. I am sure I have the occasional half-baked idea; it does not make me a half-baked person. Same applies to you. That was not an attack. Sheesh. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message

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What are you waiting for in the laptop arena? What would make you buy? BTW, it's these kind of casual drive by insults that seem to propagate this list now. What is the point? I didn't insult you with my response..I was purposely sarcastic as I admitted, but I didn't insult you. And I realize

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I want to take advantage of as much current, fully-supported product as I can, so I would want at least five of those 6-7 years. At the moment I am waiting on a laptop because right now, my evaluations say buy nothing now. I have watched technologies change, in every detail I could muster for con

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

Well the constant name calling and abuse from you to people who don't agree with you does not help. Treat those as you wish to be treated. On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 4:22 PM, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I would not belabor the point except for the days of attacks, > disinformation,

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

So what are you using in place of computers? They were designed a lot longer ago then the first ipod. Yes I'm being sarcastic but to make a point. It might be obsolete tech to you, but to most people it's not. The fact that those iPods designed as you said 6 or 7 years ago are still working and

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

I do sometimes choose nothing, if I don't care to pay for new technology. I wait for it to come down a bit. I meant I would not buy something Apple designed 6-7 years ago and has really only changed the capacity of the disk drive. I would never buy something using the same tech that another manu

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> I do not buy tech things that will be unsupportable in a short period > of time. There's no basis for saying that MS is going to drop support for this "in a short period of time". In fact, considering that the 120GB unit is brand new, it's unlikely in the extreme. The same goes for Apple's 120GB

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

I do not buy tech things that will be unsupportable in a short period of time. I do not think older technologies are generally worth pursuing. The hardware breaks sooner. The software stops working with the new hardware sooner, and also with new software. These are all general truths. Maybe you

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> It should be obvious that if one model is 6-7 years old, and one is > new, buy the new one. I'm sorry, but that is not at all obvious. What if you want a lot of storage? You have to get the newer product anyway, because it's newer? Even though it's much more expensive? Buying something that is m

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

I would not buy either one at this point; both are obsolete. I do not like buying obsolete tech. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- > So, my point is that comparing the latest Zune, the most advanced > product from MS, to the classic is pointless. Apple designed it 6-7 > years a

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

It should be obvious that if one model is 6-7 years old, and one is new, buy the new one. Except a new product that is so similar to one that is 6-7 years old is pathetic. YES _ I READ POSTS I RESPOND TO. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- > So, my point is that comparing the

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> So, my point is that comparing the latest Zune, the most advanced > product from MS, to the classic is pointless. Apple designed it 6-7 > years ago. The only updates to it are basically drive capacity. It is > a product near its end of life and Apple won't have it around a whole > lot longer.

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

> So, my point is that comparing the latest Zune, the most advanced > product from MS, to the classic is pointless. Apple designed it 6-7 > years ago. The only updates to it are basically drive capacity. It is > a product near its end of life and Apple won't have it around a whole > lot longer.

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

So, my point is that comparing the latest Zune, the most advanced product from MS, to the classic is pointless. Apple designed it 6-7 years ago. The only updates to it are basically drive capacity. It is a product near its end of life and Apple won't have it around a whole lot longer. I mean, I

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

> I would not belabor the point except for the days of attacks, > disinformation, name calling, rude language, and other abuse heaped on > me. Instead of responding with facts and logic the response of many > (but not all) was just a bald assertion repeated over and over that I was > wrong. Acting

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 2:46 PM, Snyder, Mark (IT CIV) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > You are _still_ comparing the latest model from MS to a very old model > from Apple. Why are you doing that? What is the point? > > No he is right on the 120gb being the only current harddrive based iPod. Apple di

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

> The new Zune was obsolete before it came on the market--the only choice > is one with a hard drive Betty, as I've mentioned, with the specs and price my son had in mind, the only choice was between Zune and iPod Classic, and that is the scope of the comparison I made: "if these are your specs, t

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>> >For the tenth time, the $249 120GB Zune competes with the $249 120GB iPod >> >Classic. > > That is a 7-year-old design. It is history. Apple has only one model left > in this format. Why are you clinging to it? > > Even then you are wrong. The iPod Classic 120 is 10.5 mm thick, the Zune > 1

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

> You said it was thinner, but it is really 20 percent thicker. A simple > fact that could be looked up. I looked it up. I looked it up too. I posted the link. The info on Wired was wrong. > You just insisted that I must be wrong. No, I didn't. I said it was thinner; you said it wasn't; I checke

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

> It is a 7-year-old design, refreshed over and over again. It is not an > iPod that many people buy. Let me just point back to my original post, in which I said that my son wanted a device that he could afford with a decent size screen and a lot of storage. If that's what you want, the two option

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

>I've already answered this. It is not a "very old" model. I am comparing it >to the current iPod Classic, which Apple still makes, which sold 3+ million >units last year, and which was updated a couple of weeks ago. It is a very >current model. It is a 7-year-old design, refreshed over and over a

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

>> The iPod Classic 120 is 10.5 mm thick, the Zune >> 120 is 12.9 mm thick. > >Well, you got me there. The specs in the Wired blog were off. Absolutely, >that 2.4mm explains why he thinks it's a brick. Who wouldn't? I mean, sure, >the Zune weighs less, but that 0.09" in thickness makes it a brick b

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

> You are _still_ comparing the latest model from MS to a very old model > from Apple. Why are you doing that? What is the point? I've already answered this. It is not a "very old" model. I am comparing it to the current iPod Classic, which Apple still makes, which sold 3+ million units last yea

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

> The iPod Classic 120 is 10.5 mm thick, the Zune > 120 is 12.9 mm thick. Well, you got me there. The specs in the Wired blog were off. Absolutely, that 2.4mm explains why he thinks it's a brick. Who wouldn't? I mean, sure, the Zune weighs less, but that 0.09" in thickness makes it a brick by anyo

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

You are _still_ comparing the latest model from MS to a very old model from Apple. Why are you doing that? What is the point? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Are you doing this on purpose? For the tenth time, the $249 120GB Zune competes with the $249 120GB iPod Classic. No

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

>For the tenth time, the $249 120GB Zune competes with the $249 120GB iPod >Classic. That is a 7-year-old design. It is history. Apple has only one model left in this format. Why are you clinging to it? Even then you are wrong. The iPod Classic 120 is 10.5 mm thick, the Zune 120 is 12.9 mm thic

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> >And as far as it being a "brick", that's a little surprising, too, > >since it's thinner and lighter than the competing iPod. > > iPod Nano: 6.2 mm and 36.8 gr (as give at the Apple Online Store) > MS Zune 4: 8.5 mm and 47.0 gr (as given at MS's zune.net site) > > Why do the Microsoft fan bois

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

>And as far as it being a "brick", that's a little surprising, too, >since it's thinner and lighter than the competing iPod. iPod Nano: 6.2 mm and 36.8 gr (as give at the Apple Online Store) MS Zune 4: 8.5 mm and 47.0 gr (as given at MS's zune.net site) Why do the Microsoft fan bois constantly b

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

I don't have to approve of something to understand it. I think this is how tech types get outmaneuvered and bamboozled. They are not good at thinking outside their box. If you don't like my explanation of MS's most recent ads I invite you to offer a counter explanation. Calling my explanation b

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

I understand that it is tough for techies to think outside the tech box. Coercion and intimidation are not on their spec sheet. Nevertheless, it is how others types of people get their work done. That sounds horrible. Sort of like being in the Army or working for the telephone company. Do you

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> > Deny, deny, deny, blow smoke, obfuscate, question every fact, make > > personal attacks, ridicule, mock, scoff, sneer, jeer, obscure, etc., > etc. Tom! Did you really mean to forward your playbook to the list? Were you getting jealous about all the attention Palin was getting with her hacked

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

I just read an article in businessweek about it..um, yeah it wasn't an 'outrage'. On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 2:40 PM, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >You going back to 1996? That was when some dust up occurred regarding > >bringing in pc's...but they weren't getting rid of macs out of eng

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

If you don't like my interpretation of the most recent MS "I'm PC" ads and how they relate to Apple's "I'm a Mac" ads you are invited to present your own. But just calling me names doesn't cut it. Specify when I ever called names. I have the utmost respect for all the participants on this lis

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

>OK, I don't get out much. But I know what sliced baloney looks like. I understand that it is tough for techies to think outside the tech box. Coercion and intimidation are not on their spec sheet. Nevertheless, it is how others types of people get their work done. If you don't like my interpr

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

No I'm not demonizing MS. This has nothing to do with MS directly, except their acknowledgement of it in their most recent advertising campaign. Could have fooled me. I'm also demonizing the MS minions: so-called IT professionals who coerce their professional staff with all the threats I cited

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

>You going back to 1996? That was when some dust up occurred regarding >bringing in pc's...but they weren't getting rid of macs out of engineering >etc, just the office areas. Deny, deny, deny, blow smoke, obfuscate, question every fact, make personal attacks, ridicule, mock, scoff, sneer, jeer,

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

> >> His conclusion is that features don't count, Zune is a loser because > >> everybody buys iPods. > > > >It's really, really hard to take seriously anyone who espouses such a > >ridiculous point of view. > > He also wrote this week that the new Zunes "still look like dark, > Soviet-made bricks.

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

You going back to 1996? That was when some dust up occurred regarding bringing in pc's...but they weren't getting rid of macs out of engineering etc, just the office areas. On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 1:15 PM, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The new MS ad includes a NASA engineer. This

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

> You expect to have a serious and honest discussion with someone who's > the > epistemological equivalent of the Ministry of Silly Walks? I keep hoping. As Churchill said, never give in. * ** List info, subscription manag

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> I also think that waterboarding is torture. You TOO!? I thought it was just me. > Silly, silly me. Yes, well...that's the point in all of this, now isn't it? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archive

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>You seem to have a wholly invalid understanding of the word 'coercion.' I also think that waterboarding is torture. Silly, silly me. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, ca

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>> His conclusion is that features don't count, Zune is a loser because >> everybody buys iPods. > >It's really, really hard to take seriously anyone who espouses such a >ridiculous point of view. He also wrote this week that the new Zunes "still look like dark, Soviet-made bricks." He is a bad,

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

>No one said anything about coercion and fear. That smacks of >demonizing MSFT. Which is unnecessary. I can sort of agree >that VISTA has been a slow, fascinating train wreck. No I'm not demonizing MS. This has nothing to do with MS directly, except their acknowledgement of it in their most r

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

> It's really, really hard to take seriously anyone who espouses such a > ridiculous point of view. You expect to have a serious and honest discussion with someone who's the epistemological equivalent of the Ministry of Silly Walks? ***

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

If "most people are not equipped to make an informed choice" it is almost by definition "not a free market." If people make a decision based on coercion and fear it is not a free market. No one said anything about coercion and fear. That smacks of demonizing MSFT. Which is unnecessary. I ca

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

> His conclusion is that features don't count, Zune is a loser because > everybody buys iPods. It's really, really hard to take seriously anyone who espouses such a ridiculous point of view. * ** List info, subscription ma

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

> If people make a decision based on coercion and fear it is not a free market. You seem to have a wholly invalid understanding of the word 'coercion.' It is loaded down with meaningless and subjective criteria, antiquated ideology and adolescent prejudice; sufficient for a scribbled protest sign

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>That's not true. It is a free choice and a free market but most people are >not equipped to make an informed choice. If "most people are not equipped to make an informed choice" it is almost by definition "not a free market." If people make a decision based on coercion and fear it is not a fre

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

>It has a 30% bigger screen than iPod classic, and it's >lighter and thinner. > >Of course, none of this will make any difference to Tom, who is far more >concerned with whose logo is on the box than with what's inside it. Tom will just note that you compare the latest and greatest from MS to App

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

Very few people buy a Windows computer because they want to. It is not a free choice in a free market. Therefore evaluations need to be made with that in mind. That's not true. It is a free choice and a free market but most people are not equipped to make an informed choice. How many people do

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

Most the people I know who buy windows buy them because they cheaper, most these guys game more then not. Mike On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 6:29 AM, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Very few people buy a Windows computer because they want to. It is not a > free choice in a free market. Th

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

mike > What was wrong with HDCP on vista? I'm looking at a > widescreen LCD in the future, I alreayd have a vista > box behind my current tv, wondering what issues you had? >> I was underwhelmed by Vista, I found HDCP to be crap >> and an annoyance. Note - it's not my problem if MPAA >> made M

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>>Right. You're completely fair and impartial as regards MS. And I'm heading >>to the North Pole to see how Santa's doing tomorrow. >Take your warm coat. No longer necessary. I've heard Global Warming...excuse me, I mean Climate Change, is going to make the North Pole into the next Ft. Lauderdal

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>Right. You're completely fair and impartial as regards MS. And I'm heading >to the North Pole to see how Santa's doing tomorrow. Take your warm coat. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy

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He's very rational, you just have to realize his opinions are always facts and he is always right. What isn't rational about that? On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 3:59 PM, Chris Dunford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > > I give up. You're just not rational when it comes to any Apple/MS > discussion. > >

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

> If you want to download your purchases directly into a fragile and > loseable device then you haven't been following any of the discussions > about backups. Or does your Zune come with RAID It doesn't need to. In addition to downloading to the device while he's not chained to a computer, it als

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What was wrong with HDCP on vista? I'm looking at a widescreen LCD in the future, I alreayd have a vista box behind my current tv, wondering what issues you had? Mike On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 3:27 PM, Wayne Dernoncourt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I was underwhelmed by > Vista, I found HDCP

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>> I guess posting this here won't stop it on this list, but >> one can hope. >Don't be silly, this discussion will occur every 5 or 6 months. Whew... I'm glad I only joined a few months back then * ** List info, subsc

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

>Why do we still insist on playing this price game? This ComputerWorld >article is a good one about the facts and myths about PC and Mac pricing: > >command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9023959> Thanks for the link to the article. However, I did sa

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

Michael Lewis > Why do we still insist on playing this price game? This > ComputerWorld article is a good one about the facts and > myths about PC and Mac pricing: But who says I need everything the Mac has? (switching to a car analogy)If a Mac has leather bucket seats, do I have to price a PC wi

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

>> Using iTunes on a desktop computer is a much better way to buy music > >Stated as fact, without justification. If you would rather conduct your business on a tiny screen instead of a big screen you are just nuts and there is no point in further discussion. If you want to download your purchas

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

>Maybe some of Apple's inroads into market share are because Apple has >finally lowered the price of entry for their products? It's difficult >to justify a purchase because of the coolness factor when the product is >out of someone's price range. Apple's prices have risen in recent months. So h

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

Why do we still insist on playing this price game? This ComputerWorld article is a good one about the facts and myths about PC and Mac pricing: And it was written more than a year ago. And it acknowledge

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

>>It is not a >> free choice in a free market. It isn't? Wouldn't price point come into play somewhere along the line? If Apple products are more expensive than MS based PCs, is that the fault of MS or Apple? Apple's products have traditionally been more expensive than PCs and thus beyond the pr

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

> That the Zune "squirts" and the iPod does not counts for > almost nothing. Irrelevant. I already said that squirting was "SO last week". > Adding WiFi is playing catch up With what? iPod Classic has wi-fi? Or are you trying to compare Zune to Touch again? > Buying music while driving should

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

Same with mentos and Coke. Stewart At 12:23 PM 9/19/2008, you wrote: I've heard that if you repeat a lie enough times, even you start to believe it yourself. (Pssst, it's OK to eat pop rocks and drink soda at the same time. No worries.) Don't give up the dream, Thomas. You make delusional f

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

> Very few people buy a Windows computer because they want to. It is not a > free choice in a free market. I've heard that if you repeat a lie enough times, even you start to believe it yourself. (Pssst, it's OK to eat pop rocks and drink soda at the same time. No worries.) Don't give up the dr

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

On Sep 19, 2008, at 9:29 AM, Tom Piwowar wrote: Very few people buy a Windows computer because they want to. It is not a free choice in a free market. Therefore evaluations need to be made with that in mind. Most Windows users that I know are, in fact, as well as in their own words, af

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

>> Go ahead and scoff at the iPod for being "merely" popular, but >> achieving popularity is exactly the right measure. Popularity >> is the sum total of all the features weighted by their >> significance to the people manking [sic] the purchase. > >So, that would mean that Windows is far superio

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

> Really. And when exactly was that? The current Zune has a better > feature set than the current iPod Classic by any rational measure, which is all I > said, and which you are apparently unable to contest sine you continue to > dance around it. It doesn't matter what Apple is doing with the classi

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

> Go ahead and scoff at the iPod for being "merely" popular, but > achieving popularity is exactly the right measure. Popularity > is the sum total of all the features weighted by their > significance to the people manking [sic] the purchase. So, that would mean that Windows is far superior to M

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

So apple is going to switch to just selling a touch? Odd since apple went after the zune design for the new nano. Mike On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 5:16 PM, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> The MFBs are all wondering why Apple is still selling that old design. > >> The expectation is that

Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

>An odd statement, since nobody said it wasn't. iPod was and is a great bit >of design. The question is, are you being rational when you dismiss the >current Zune simply because it is an MS product? Because there is no other >reason to do so. The 120GB Zune matches or betters the 120GB iPod Classi

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