Le mar 14/10/2003 à 02:15, Robert L Martin a écrit :
> 2 i would say put the following on the desktop (maybe as a killable service)
> 1 icons for the most common tasks (DTP Net and MM)
>2 icons for the currently mounted drives (note no icons for unmounted
> drives or "invisible" one
On Monday 13 October 2003 04:51 am, Kevin Perros wrote:
> 1. The packages are a good thing but there should be a frontend to the
> package systems where we talk about apps and plugins. The apps should be
> organized in a tree that should be understood by the end-user. A typical
> end-user doesn't k
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Kevin Perros wrote:
> This message is the result of conversations whith newbies that tried to
> use Mandrake 9.1/9.2 and after having been conviced and happy with the
> distribution are re-using Windows more and more for a couple of annoying
> and easi
måndagen den 13 oktober 2003 10.51 skrev Kevin Perros:
> This message is the result of conversations whith newbies that tried to
> use Mandrake 9.1/9.2 and after having been conviced and happy with the
> distribution are re-using Windows more and more for a couple of annoying
> and easily solvable
This message is the result of conversations whith newbies that tried to
use Mandrake 9.1/9.2 and after having been conviced and happy with the
distribution are re-using Windows more and more for a couple of annoying
and easily solvable problems.
My point of view about newbie difficulties (which I
Le ven 10/10/2003 à 10:29, Adam Williamson a écrit :
> On Wed, 2003-10-08 at 14:24, Eric Fernandez wrote:
> > FACORAT Fabrice wrote:
> > >not all people have an internet connection and/or a DSL link
> > Why not in a rpm then : "screenshots" that could be part of
> > documentation. They don't need
On Wed, 2003-10-08 at 14:24, Eric Fernandez wrote:
> FACORAT Fabrice wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >not all people have an internet connection and/or a DSL link
> >
>
> Why not in a rpm then : "screenshots" that could be part of
> documentation. They don't need to be huge or finely detailed. JPG with a
>
Buchan Milne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > Of course, it would be a bit less effort (since none of the
> > > mainstream screenshot tools has an option to not use the
> > > decorations) to include them.
>
> > gimp do has it.
>
> I thought it did, but checked in 1.3.x, which does not (I looked
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Thierry Vignaud wrote:
> Buchan Milne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>
>>>I think the lack of window decorations might be a little confusing
>>>to the kind of users who'd benefit most from screenshots. Maybe
>>>require the use of the MandrakeGalaxy win
Buchan Milne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > I think the lack of window decorations might be a little confusing
> > to the kind of users who'd benefit most from screenshots. Maybe
> > require the use of the MandrakeGalaxy window decorations too?
>
> But that requires the user to use one of the w
On Thu, Oct 09, 2003 at 12:58:46PM +0200, Svetoslav Slavtchev wrote:
> > Le mer 08/10/2003 à 22:58, Keld Jørn Simonsen a écrit :
> >
> > > A request here: the screenshots should be in the local language, if
> > > possible. To newbies, it is important that the interfaces are in their
> > > native l
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Rob wrote:
> On Thursday 09 October 2003 08:35, Buchan Milne wrote:
>
>>Make the policy that all application screenshots should:
>>- -be of only the application (no desktop)
>>- -not have window decorations
>>- -use MandrakeGalaxy widget theme/style if
On Thursday 09 October 2003 08:35, Buchan Milne wrote:
> Make the policy that all application screenshots should:
> - -be of only the application (no desktop)
> - -not have window decorations
> - -use MandrakeGalaxy widget theme/style if applicable
> http://ranger.dnsalias.com/mandrake/screenshots/
Buchan Milne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> /me does 'urpmq -i ' ...
>
> Now, if urpmq could display a screenshot ;-)
Such screenshot should be available in the package header at least,
but it could be a bit too large, anyway an icon is maybe available to visualize
instead of screenshot, that's n
Vedran Ljubovic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > BTW, I like your interface, I think the layout is quite nice, but
> > I don't think qt is going to be an option since all the mdk tools
> > are built on gtk.
>
> Yeah, I thought about that. Is there a tool for gtk
> like Qt Designer?
glade2 and gla
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FACORAT Fabrice wrote:
> Le jeu 09/10/2003 à 12:15, Thierry Vignaud a écrit :
>
>
>>what's more, this bring the coherency problem where packages would
>>come with screenshots made into different desktop, with different
>>themes, with different fonts, .
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Thierry Vignaud wrote:
> Vedran Ljubovic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>
>>>There would take very much diskspace, especially screenshots! And
>>>what about the time needed to do all the screenshots, list
>>>plugins..
>>
>>Well obviously screenshots sho
Le jeu 09/10/2003 à 12:15, Thierry Vignaud a écrit :
> what's more, this bring the coherency problem where packages would
> come with screenshots made into different desktop, with different
> themes, with different fonts, ...
this is not a problem. What you want to see is what the app look like.
> Yeah, I thought about that. Is there a tool for gtk
> like Qt Designer?
yes, try glade2 :)
urpmi glade2 and then use glade-2
--
Olivier Blin
Vedran Ljubovic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > There would take very much diskspace, especially screenshots! And
> > what about the time needed to do all the screenshots, list
> > plugins..
>
> Well obviously screenshots should be made while packaging. Apart
> from distributing the workload, thi
> Le mer 08/10/2003 à 22:58, Keld Jørn Simonsen a écrit :
>
> > A request here: the screenshots should be in the local language, if
> > possible. To newbies, it is important that the interfaces are in their
> > native language. And this is furthermore one of Mandrakes strengths,
> > Mandrake is mo
Le mer 08/10/2003 à 22:58, Keld Jørn Simonsen a écrit :
> A request here: the screenshots should be in the local language, if
> possible. To newbies, it is important that the interfaces are in their
> native language. And this is furthermore one of Mandrakes strengths,
> Mandrake is more translate
Vedran Ljubovic wrote:
--- Greg Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
BTW, I like your interface, I think the layout is
quite nice, but I don't
think qt is going to be an option since all the mdk
tools are built on gtk.
Yeah, I thought about that. Is there a tool for gtk
like Qt Designer?
Not AFAIK, bu
I just hope that others don't find this little
discussion of ours boring. if you do, please yell :)
--- illogic-al <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > That's a typical windows user. mdklinux is not
> > > windows and users installing
> > > linux know that (at least most of them do).
> >
> > It's the
--- Greg Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> No offense, but
> there already is a
> distribution (several) like this, why do we want to
> create another one?
They are not free (as in freedom)
Ok, as I've said in the original mail, it's a
community decision and if any of my ideas is accepted,
I'l
onsdagen den 8 oktober 2003 09.18 skrev Vedran Ljubovic:
> Hello list,
This thread has been very interesting. To me it it has shown that the meaning
of 'Contrib' and all its packages is not going to be sold to a newbie in a
new way because Mdk is already doing the right thing. The right thing be
Olivier Thauvin's easy-urpmi should be integrated in the media
configuration tool, when I have time :/ however I'm not very much
in favor of pushing newbies to use external packages (at the time
cooker was easily addable graphically, so many people broke their
system by trying to install "programs
On Wednesday 08 October 2003 07:27 pm, Vedran Ljubovic wrote:
> It's the argument of "never change anything, make
> people learn our ways instead".
If our way is better :-)
> I believe that separating tasks and not putting
> anything in the installation that isn't absolutely
> necessary makes a
--- Pierre Jarillon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yes your idea is very good and ergonomic. As GC
> said, "There would take very
> much diskspace, especially screenshots!"
> To avoid this, it could be useful to create a
> database hosted by Mandrake:
[...]
That's an excellent idea! I'd like to co
On Wednesday 08 October 2003 07:27 pm, Vedran Ljubovic wrote:
> > > - Program installation pops-up during OS install
>
> [...]
>
> > That's a typical windows user. mdklinux is not
> > windows and users installing
> > linux know that (at least most of them do).
>
> It's the argument of "never chang
--- illogic-al <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So you suggest sticking a screenshot in the rpm?
> Further down you say certain people have no business
> installing an OS.
> Well by extension of that logic they wouldn't have
> gotten to the installation
> point so this doesn't need to be worried abo
On Wed, Oct 08, 2003 at 03:38:14PM -0700, Vedran Ljubovic wrote:
>
> Well obviously screenshots should be made while
> packaging. Apart from distributing the workload, this
> has another benefit of requiring packagers to test
> their packages. And also, screenshot would be present
> only for "prog
Hi,
Thank you all for your responses! This thread is much
more than I've expected. These are a few
clarifications, cause I see that there are already
some ideas better then what I originally had.
--- Guillaume Cottenceau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Vedran Ljubovic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
Am Mittwoch, 8. Oktober 2003 12:16 schrieb Guillaume Cottenceau:
> We decided for Media on this list around 3 months ago, this was a
> sort of "community decision" I'd say, so I think it's
> counter-productive to change them all again, except of course if
> everyone on this list would strongly agr
On Wednesday 08 October 2003 21:42, Pierre Jarillon wrote:
> Le Mercredi 8 Octobre 2003 20:27, FACORAT Fabrice a écrit :
> > Le mer 08/10/2003 à 15:05, Pierre Jarillon a écrit :
> I like evolution instead of revolution. I don't know how is made the
> rpm database. I suggest to improve this manageme
On Wednesday 08 October 2003 18:10, FACORAT Fabrice wrote:
> Le mer 08/10/2003 à 14:02, Eric Fernandez a écrit :
> > Yes, your message below had been delayed on my box :)))
> >
> > For the work that it would take, why not asking Club members ?
> > Let's decide a format, resolution and compression l
illogic-al <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > That's not obvious to me. Packages (programs) installation has
> > been simplified in rpmdrake2 (ending up with, among others,
> > current two-different-interfaces which is so critized - even if
> > it's logical and drastically simplifies the GUI). Simple
Le Mercredi 8 Octobre 2003 20:27, FACORAT Fabrice a écrit :
> Le mer 08/10/2003 à 15:05, Pierre Jarillon a écrit :
> > Le Mercredi 8 Octobre 2003 09:18, Vedran Ljubovic a écrit :
> > Yes your idea is very good and ergonomic. As GC said, "There would take
> > very much diskspace, especially screensh
On Wednesday 08 October 2003 06:16 am, Guillaume Cottenceau wrote:
> Vedran Ljubovic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > of view. However, I was slightly disappointed to find
> > that "the great modifications" in RpmDrake in 9.2 RCs
>
> Which "great modifications"? I mean, you talk about it like some
>
On Wednesday 08 October 2003 03:18 am, Vedran Ljubovic wrote:
> Hello list,
>
> I wasn't much involved in Mandrake development until
> now (except translation), but I hope that that will
> change. First I must say that, as a long time Mandrake
> user, I very much appreciate the fine work done by
>
Le mer 08/10/2003 à 15:05, Pierre Jarillon a écrit :
> Le Mercredi 8 Octobre 2003 09:18, Vedran Ljubovic a écrit :
> Yes your idea is very good and ergonomic. As GC said, "There would take very
> much diskspace, especially screenshots!"
> To avoid this, it could be useful to create a database host
Le mer 08/10/2003 à 07:18, Vedran Ljubovic a écrit :
> The Sample Implementation
>
> Finally, to put my money/time where my mouth is, I've
> put together a GUI proposal in Qt Designer. (This is
> kind of like an application that doesn't do anything.)
> Here are some screenshots:
>
> http://membe
On Wed, 8 Oct 2003, Buchan Milne wrote:
> 1)It's not supported (remember last weeks thread?)
IMHO the outcome of the thread was that that was a silly argument.
And if the packages are searchable, you can make very clear that you are
looking at an unsupported media. And that selecting to add it, ca
On Wed, 8 Oct 2003, Buchan Milne wrote:
>
> Another thing that might be useful is to be able to launch the program
> in the menu entry for a package that is installed, but the problem is,
> who do you run it as? It's fine when using rpmdrake in user mode, but
> when running as root it could be a p
Le Mercredi 8 Octobre 2003 09:18, Vedran Ljubovic a écrit :
I mostly agree wtih your ideas.
> - Packages have cryptic names
> kde-konqueror-3.1.3-1mdk.i586.rpm
> That's just scary. A typical Windows user would never
> install anything having a name like that.
>
> - Descriptions are too te
On Wed, 8 Oct 2003, Buchan Milne wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > On 8 Oct 2003, Guillaume Cottenceau wrote:
> >>That's not obvious to me. Packages (programs) installation has
> >>been simplified in rpmdrake2 (ending up with, among others,
> >>current two-different-interfaces which is so criti
On Wed, Oct 08, 2003 at 04:38:23PM +0200, Buchan Milne wrote:
> >>It does provide the list. The first CD should contain all the hdlists
> for the
> >>3 CDs.
> >
> >
> > and why not for contrib as well?
>
> 1)It's not supported (remember last weeks thread?)
hmm, yes...
> 2)If we were to use hdlis
From: "Simon Oosthoek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > It does provide the list. The first CD should contain all the hdlists
for the
> > 3 CDs.
>
> and why not for contrib as well?
> that list is known when the CD's go to the press, all the user would need
to
> do is configure networking and select a mir
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Simon Oosthoek wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 08, 2003 at 01:37:27PM +0100, John Allen wrote:
>
>>On Wednesday 08 October 2003 12:27, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>>>On 8 Oct 2003, Guillaume Cottenceau wrote:
>>>
And I'm sure many other persons use rpmdrake2
On Wed, Oct 08, 2003 at 01:37:27PM +0100, John Allen wrote:
> On Wednesday 08 October 2003 12:27, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > On 8 Oct 2003, Guillaume Cottenceau wrote:
> > >
> > > And I'm sure many other persons use rpmdrake2 and are very happy
> > > with it.
> >
> > rpmdrake2 is wonderful. But,
Le mer 08/10/2003 à 14:02, Eric Fernandez a écrit :
> >
> Yes, your message below had been delayed on my box :)))
>
> For the work that it would take, why not asking Club members ? Let's
> decide a format, resolution and compression level, and open a thread so
> that people can post their shots.
Keld Jørn Simonsen wrote:
Hi!
I think this is an interesting thread. A few ideas:
1. make install of progrms directly available from the menu.
With a right click one can administer menu items.
ine thing is to under eg word processing, you can add a menu item like
koffice, if it is not there, and
FACORAT Fabrice wrote:
Le mer 08/10/2003 à 13:24, Eric Fernandez a écrit :
FACORAT Fabrice wrote:
not all people have an internet connection and/or a DSL link
Why not in a rpm then : "screenshots" that could be part of
documentation. They don't need to be huge or finely detailed. J
Hi!
I think this is an interesting thread. A few ideas:
1. make install of progrms directly available from the menu.
With a right click one can administer menu items.
ine thing is to under eg word processing, you can add a menu item like
koffice, if it is not there, and adding the menu item will
Le mer 08/10/2003 à 13:24, Eric Fernandez a écrit :
> FACORAT Fabrice wrote:
> >not all people have an internet connection and/or a DSL link
> Why not in a rpm then : "screenshots" that could be part of
> documentation. They don't need to be huge or finely detailed. JPG with a
> high compression
FACORAT Fabrice wrote:
not all people have an internet connection and/or a DSL link
Why not in a rpm then : "screenshots" that could be part of
documentation. They don't need to be huge or finely detailed. JPG with a
high compression (or PNG ?) are sufficient.
Eric
Simon Oosthoek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > So could rpmdrake provide info on packages, even if there is no
> > > media available for it?
> >
> > How? Telepathy?
>
> Of course ;-)
>
> But until then, why not have a textfile or a *db* file with the
> following:
>
> package-version.rpm, Sum
Le mer 08/10/2003 à 11:39, Olivier Blin a écrit :
> > I agree with this, however, screenshots could be limited to the
> > "Mandrake choice" packages, and instead of being included in the
> > distribution, been linked to a page on Mandrakeclub, as I suggested
> > before. Why not simply using a HT
On Wednesday 08 October 2003 12:27, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On 8 Oct 2003, Guillaume Cottenceau wrote:
> >
> > And I'm sure many other persons use rpmdrake2 and are very happy
> > with it.
>
> rpmdrake2 is wonderful. But, it still keeps surprising me how people
> think. The last few days I've be
On Wed, Oct 08, 2003 at 01:55:05PM +0200, Buchan Milne wrote:
> > So could rpmdrake
> > provide info on packages, even if there is no media available for it?
> >
>
> How? Telepathy?
Of course ;-)
But until then, why not have a textfile or a *db* file with the following:
package-version.rpm, Sum
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On 8 Oct 2003, Guillaume Cottenceau wrote:
>
>
>>That's not obvious to me. Packages (programs) installation has
>>been simplified in rpmdrake2 (ending up with, among others,
>>current two-different-interfaces which is so crit
> I agree with this, however, screenshots could be limited to the
> "Mandrake choice" packages, and instead of being included in the
> distribution, been linked to a page on Mandrakeclub, as I suggested
> before. Why not simply using a HTML link to such screenshot ? A
> screenshot is really han
On 8 Oct 2003, Guillaume Cottenceau wrote:
> That's not obvious to me. Packages (programs) installation has
> been simplified in rpmdrake2 (ending up with, among others,
> current two-different-interfaces which is so critized - even if
> it's logical and drastically simplifies the GUI). Simple
> c
Le mer 08/10/2003 à 11:01, Eric Fernandez a écrit :
> Guillaume Cottenceau wrote:
>
> >
> >There would take very much diskspace, especially screenshots! And
> >what about the time needed to do all the screenshots, list
> >plugins..
> >
> I agree with this, however, screenshots could be limited to
Guillaume Cottenceau wrote:
There would take very much diskspace, especially screenshots! And
what about the time needed to do all the screenshots, list
plugins..
I agree with this, however, screenshots could be limited to the
"Mandrake choice" packages, and instead of being included in the
dist
Le mer 08/10/2003 à 10:16, Guillaume Cottenceau a écrit :
> Vedran Ljubovic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> And I'm sure many other persons use rpmdrake2 and are very happy
> with it.
Good for you ...
> > - There should be a new application named "Add/Remove
> > Programs"
>
> I fail to see h
Vedran Ljubovic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> of view. However, I was slightly disappointed to find
> that "the great modifications" in RpmDrake in 9.2 RCs
Which "great modifications"? I mean, you talk about it like some
"great modifications" were advertized somehow?
> were mostly under-the-hub
onsdagen den 8 oktober 8 Oct 2003 07:32 skrevVedran Ljubovic:
>Personally, I expected something more radical. I
>expected that the very concept of "packages" would
>finally be abandoned. In this long(ish) mail I'll try
>to explain what I mean.
...
Very nice indeed. If someone wants tp read another
Eric Fernandez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I agree with a lot of your comments, and the screenshot is very nice.
> Since softwares are more and more fragmented into smaller rpms (which is a good
> thing though), a meta-packaging should be introduced indeed in the next release.
> That would ease
Hi Vedran
I hope your ideas get some attention, most of them would improve usability!
Maybe, when installing a program, give the option to read the
readme/documentation and/or to run it after installing.
Cheers
Simon
I agree with a lot of your comments, and the screenshot is very nice.
Since softwares are more and more fragmented into smaller rpms (which is
a good thing though), a meta-packaging should be introduced indeed in
the next release. That would ease installation, even for urpmi users.
But we alread
Hello list,
I wasn't much involved in Mandrake development until
now (except translation), but I hope that that will
change. First I must say that, as a long time Mandrake
user, I very much appreciate the fine work done by
Mandrake developers, especially from a technical point
of view. However, I
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