Re: [Cooker] rpmdrake and newbies: they sometimes miss *installed* software

2003-06-17 Thread danny
On 17 Jun 2003, Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: about this before. There was also a post about the slow search (to which didn't quite satisfactory answer IM0, why is kpackage quicker in searching than rpmdrake? Do you think it can be optimized?) what kpackage

Re: [Cooker] rpmdrake and newbies: they sometimes miss *installed* software

2003-06-17 Thread andre
On Tuesday 17 June 2003 15:39, Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: Buchan Milne [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And of course, at present rpmdrake can only be run as root. If it were Untrue! This time you suck.. you asked for that feature, I've said I would add it, I've added it on May 28, but you didn't

Re: [Cooker] rpmdrake and newbies: they sometimes miss *installed* software

2003-06-17 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2003-06-17 at 19:09, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: Which is a moot point since if you are not going to pay any attention to users that have *purchased* a vote, what then convinces anyone that you will put a priority on users that HAVE NOT purchased a vote? Who you are *not* listening to anyway

Re: [Cooker] rpmdrake and newbies: they sometimes miss *installed*software

2003-06-17 Thread Lyvim Xaphir
On Tue, 2003-06-17 at 14:32, Michael Scherer wrote: I don't like mandrakeclub much. But you like their money, right? Maybe you don't like your mother, but she gave birth to you, so you at least owe her a nod. Well, I don't think that Mandrakeclub give birth to Guillaume, so, I

Re: [Cooker] rpmdrake and newbies: they sometimes miss *installed*software

2003-06-17 Thread Buchan Milne
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Tue, 2003-06-17 at 14:32, Michael Scherer wrote: To make it crystal clear the point is that the money flow from the Mandrakeclub members is the most potent source of revenue that Mandrakesoft has, which I don't hesitate to

Re: [Cooker] rpmdrake and newbies: they sometimes miss *installed* software

2003-06-17 Thread Tom Brinkman
On Tuesday June 17 2003 01:09 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: Which is a moot point since if you are not going to pay any attention to users that have *purchased* a vote, what then convinces anyone that you will put a priority on users that HAVE NOT purchased a vote? Who you are *not* listening to

Re: [Cooker] rpmdrake and newbies: they sometimes miss *installed* software

2003-06-17 Thread Guillaume Cottenceau
andre [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tuesday 17 June 2003 15:39, Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: Buchan Milne [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And of course, at present rpmdrake can only be run as root. If it were Untrue! This time you suck.. you asked for that feature, I've said I would add it,

Re: [Cooker] rpmdrake and newbies: they sometimes miss *installed*software

2003-06-17 Thread Lyvim Xaphir
On Tue, 2003-06-17 at 14:53, Buchan Milne wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Please note, this is a development list, if you want a list for Mandrakesoft business strategy, maybe you can find someone to host such as list, but this one is not for discussing Mandrakesoft

Re: [Cooker] rpmdrake and newbies: they sometimes miss *installed*software

2003-06-17 Thread Buchan Milne
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lyvim Xaphir wrote: Noted. But the topic is not really business strategy from my viewpoint; it's the impact that the Club has or does not have on development. I don't think it encompasses all aspects of club effects on development, merely the

Re: [Cooker] rpmdrake and newbies: they sometimes miss *installed*software

2003-06-17 Thread Lyvim Xaphir
On Tue, 2003-06-17 at 16:14, Tom Brinkman wrote: Ya know LX, IMO, you're gettin way out'a line. First the prime motivation for many join'n the Club was to support free (speech) software, particularly MandrakeSoft. I know it was mine. That'n to avoid being a freeloader. Many, as myself,

Re: [Cooker] rpmdrake and newbies: they sometimes miss *installed* software

2003-06-17 Thread Michael Scherer
On Tuesday 17 June 2003 21:04, Buchan Milne wrote: Michael Scherer wrote: Now, if you want someting more feature full, I will package synaptics once apt-get will compile on cooker. Then, just vote for someone to backport it in 9.1. $ urpmq -i apt [ apt ] No idea if it works on rpm-4.2

Re: [Cooker] rpmdrake and newbies: they sometimes miss *installed* software

2003-06-17 Thread andre
On Tuesday 17 June 2003 22:21, Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: Argh. another addition to the GUI.. More like rpmdrake and rpmdrake-remove are just not the right tool for non-root users to select rpms. I would remove your May 28 addition.

Re: [Cooker] rpmdrake and newbies: they sometimes miss *installed* software

2003-06-17 Thread Keld Jørn Simonsen
For what it is worth, I liked the interface of rpmdrake from 8.2 better than the 9.0 9.1 stuff. I did complain about 8.2 at that time that I found the install/remove being on the same button confusing. But I find the current rpmdrake more confusing, being 4 separate programs with much related

Re: [Cooker] rpmdrake and newbies: they sometimes miss *installed* software

2003-06-17 Thread w9ya
Yesterday I was at a client's. I was installing software using the 'drake' gui tools while they watched. The clients remarked that they were sure glad they didn't have to install software on linux. They went on to say the they were use to a much easier install process. They are not stupid. They

Re: [Cooker] rpmdrake and newbies: they sometimes miss *installed* software

2003-06-17 Thread Greg Meyer
On Tuesday 17 June 2003 09:37 pm, w9ya wrote: Yesterday I was at a client's. I was installing software using the 'drake' gui tools while they watched. The clients remarked that they were sure glad they didn't have to install software on linux. They went on to say the they were use to a much

Re: [Cooker] rpmdrake and newbies: they sometimes miss *installed* software

2003-06-17 Thread w9ya
On Tuesday 17 June 2003 09:16 pm, Greg Meyer wrote: On Tuesday 17 June 2003 09:37 pm, w9ya wrote: Yesterday I was at a client's. I was installing software using the 'drake' gui tools while they watched. The clients remarked that they were sure glad they didn't have to install software on

Re: [Cooker] rpmdrake and newbies: they sometimes miss *installed* software

2003-06-17 Thread Greg Meyer
On Tuesday 17 June 2003 11:28 pm, w9ya wrote: Well, I will disagree for two reasons; 1 - The original point I was commenting on was that the 'drake' installer was getting more complicated by being broke into several sections. This is a fundamentally flaw concept for newbies to take on. We

Re: [Cooker] rpmdrake and newbies: they sometimes miss *installed* software

2003-06-17 Thread w9ya
On Tuesday 17 June 2003 10:50 pm, Greg Meyer wrote: On Tuesday 17 June 2003 11:28 pm, w9ya wrote: Well, I will disagree for two reasons; 1 - The original point I was commenting on was that the 'drake' installer was getting more complicated by being broke into several sections. This is a

Re: [Cooker] rpmdrake and newbies: they sometimes miss *installed* software

2003-06-16 Thread Eric Fernandez
Now (s)he needs a particular software. Having heard that it's very easy, launches rpmdrake, type a keyword and ... no response or low-relevance response. Why ? Because the software is actually already installed. And rpmdrake doesn't show already installed software... Actually I support

Re: [Cooker] rpmdrake and newbies: they sometimes miss *installed* software

2003-06-16 Thread Guillaume Cottenceau
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: About rpmdrake. Advanced features are discussed here. Good. They grow. Basic features or nifty features disappear with time. Sad. Hopefully I try very hard so that this assertion is kept false :). What do I mean ? A newbie installs a shiny Mandrake 9.1. (S)He

Re: [Cooker] rpmdrake and newbies: they sometimes miss *installed* software

2003-06-16 Thread danny
On 16 Jun 2003, Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: I think the vast majority of those cases are not happening because those applications are so large they don't get unnoticed by the user (e.g. whe mozilla/xmms/etc is installed, it's difficult to miss it in the menus). It would be better that

Re: [Cooker] rpmdrake and newbies: they sometimes miss *installed* software

2003-06-16 Thread Pierre Jarillon
Le Lundi 16 Juin 2003 17:52, Guillaume Cottenceau a écrit : It would be better that rpmdrake also show already-installed software, maybe greyed out or with a mention this software is already installed on your machine. No, it's a long time decision. Ok, I guess why. Then, if I want to

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