On Mon, 10 Mar 2003, Michael Scherer wrote:
> I still don't know how thing can be as they are even with Sun's enginners
> working on usability. How much people are trying to do a good desktop with
> gnome ?
> And how many people does it take to write a good dialog !
Look, if you really don't know
On Mon, 2003-03-10 at 06:36, Brook Humphrey wrote:
> On Monday 10 March 2003 01:20 am, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > On Mon, 2003-03-10 at 06:20, Brook Humphrey wrote:
> > > Remember I'm not talking about computer savvy users here but by far the
> > > majority of normal everyday business users who jus
On Mon, 2003-03-10 at 02:22, John Allen wrote:
> On Sunday 09 March 2003 20:21, Brent Hasty wrote:
> > whose un-bright idea was it to make double click default in mdk 9.1 rc2?`
> > Forever it has been a single click enviroment in KDE, this change is really
> > throughing a wrench at users who are f
On Mon, 2003-03-10 at 05:39, Buchan Milne wrote:
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> Jean-Michel Dault wrote:
> > Le dim 09/03/2003 à 23:07, Austin a écrit :
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> > I'll bite the troll here ;-)
> >
> > Gnome is a good environment for experienced Linux people, but it lacks a
> >
On Mon, 2003-03-10 at 01:14, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Mon, 2003-03-10 at 04:02, Levi Ramsey wrote:
> > On Sun Mar 09 22:07 -0500, Austin wrote:
> > > Well, at the very least, it's a great reason to switch to gnome. :-)
> >
> > Let's go for broke with this thread and bring emacs vs. vi, postfix
On Mon, 2003-03-10 at 20:51, Henri wrote:
> The two MAIN problems under gnome are certainly file management
> and...PRINTING Abiword has it's own printbox, so does galeon, so
> does gnumeric, so does ggv...can someone do something pretty about that
> ! You can't tell a new user to open an
On Monday 10 March 2003 10:00 am, Adam Williamson wrote:
> >
> > I'm not trying to start a war here it's just the facts. Allot of users
> > are
>
> Except you keep just posting stuff like the paragraph above, which
> *isn't* facts, it's vague assertions. It's true, but unless you start
> relating i
On Monday 10 March 2003 11:14 am, Todd Lyons wrote:
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> Brook Humphrey wrote on Mon, Mar 10, 2003 at 06:36:30AM -0800 :
> > I'm not trying to start a war here it's just the facts. Allot of users
> > are barely competant to use even microsoft word le
Le Lundi 10 Mars 2003 21:23, El Gringo ( aka Buchan Milne ) a écrit :
> Adam Williamson wrote:
> > On Mon, 2003-03-10 at 18:25, Jean-Michel Dault wrote:
> > File dialog is one legitimate problem, it's well known and well
> > discussed, and is in the works for GNOME 2.4. No-one can agree on
> > exac
The two MAIN problems under gnome are certainly file management
and...PRINTING Abiword has it's own printbox, so does galeon, so
does gnumeric, so does ggv...can someone do something pretty about that
! You can't tell a new user to open an xterm and type "lpr"...and what
if you want to pri
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Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Mon, 2003-03-10 at 18:25, Jean-Michel Dault wrote:
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>
> File dialog is one legitimate problem, it's well known and well
> discussed, and is in the works for GNOME 2.4. No-one can agree on
> exactly what to do with it, thou
On Mon, 2003-03-10 at 18:25, Jean-Michel Dault wrote:
> Le lun 10/03/2003 à 14:00, Adam Williamson a écrit :
> > ...can you back up the argument that KDE 3 is "simpler" than GNOME 2?
> > > Well I would answer you but Jean Michael has done a better job of explaining.
> > I don't see that anywhere..
Le lun 10/03/2003 à 14:00, Adam Williamson a écrit :
> ...can you back up the argument that KDE 3 is "simpler" than GNOME 2?
> > Well I would answer you but Jean Michael has done a better job of explaining.
> I don't see that anywhere...but then, Cooker seems to have been missing
> messages again
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Brook Humphrey wrote on Mon, Mar 10, 2003 at 06:36:30AM -0800 :
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> I'm not trying to start a war here it's just the facts. Allot of users are
> barely competant to use even microsoft word let alone understand what is
> going on with the system. So
On Mon, 2003-03-10 at 14:36, Brook Humphrey wrote:
> > Er, I don't quite understand that. This is exactly the segment GNOME is
> > aiming at. By default it behaves rather more like Windows than KDE does
> > (double-click is default, window behaviour is similar) and the whole
> > philosophy of the
On Monday 10 March 2003 01:20 am, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Mon, 2003-03-10 at 06:20, Brook Humphrey wrote:
> > Remember I'm not talking about computer savvy users here but by far the
> > majority of normal everyday business users who just think the computer is
> > a tool and if something is diff
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D F wrote:
> On March 10, 2003 05:22, John Allen wrote:
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> Yes, I think we could all agree that choice is good.
>
> I really need to re-iterate my previous point about repetitive
> strain disorder, though. To me, defaulting to a single click costs
> n
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Jean-Michel Dault wrote:
> Le lun 10/03/2003 à 02:20, Brook Humphrey a écrit :
> Well, Gnome can be hard, *even* for computer savvy people. Back to
> gnome-ppp, I just spent like 20 hours so far trying to know what was
> going on with a bug report. It
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Jean-Michel Dault wrote:
> Le dim 09/03/2003 à 23:07, Austin a écrit :
>
> I'll bite the troll here ;-)
>
> Gnome is a good environment for experienced Linux people, but it lacks a
> lot of polish for people coming from the Windows world.
>
> Take the
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On March 10, 2003 05:22, John Allen wrote:
> Well for those of us who prefer double-click, and for that matter
> think it makes more sense (especially when I just want to select
> something), thank you Mandrake.
Frankly, I'm realy puzzled by these rep
On Sunday 09 March 2003 20:21, Brent Hasty wrote:
> whose un-bright idea was it to make double click default in mdk 9.1 rc2?`
> Forever it has been a single click enviroment in KDE, this change is really
> throughing a wrench at users who are familiar with and prefer a single
> click enviroment, ma
On Mon, 10 Mar 2003, Jean-Michel Dault wrote:
> Well, Gnome can be hard, *even* for computer savvy people. Back to
> gnome-ppp, I just spent like 20 hours so far trying to know what was
> going on with a bug report. It's not like that I don't know what I'm
gnome-ppp sucks. A lot. And it should no
On Mon, 2003-03-10 at 06:20, Brook Humphrey wrote:
> Remember I'm not talking about computer savvy users here but by far the
> majority of normal everyday business users who just think the computer is a
> tool and if something is different it throws them off for weeks just to
> figure it out. F
On Sun, 2003-03-09 at 23:14, Jean-Michel Dault wrote:
> Le lun 10/03/2003 à 03:42, James Sparenberg a écrit :
> > > Don't waste your time, everybody knows FreeBSD is better than Linux :o
> > Damian I've avoided that one (but notice I'm not arguing)
>
> Anyways, every one know that BSD
On Mon, 2003-03-10 at 04:02, Levi Ramsey wrote:
> On Sun Mar 09 22:07 -0500, Austin wrote:
> > Well, at the very least, it's a great reason to switch to gnome. :-)
>
> Let's go for broke with this thread and bring emacs vs. vi, postfix vs.
> qmail, and Java vs. anything (anybody else have ideas?)
Le lun 10/03/2003 à 03:42, James Sparenberg a écrit :
> > Don't waste your time, everybody knows FreeBSD is better than Linux :o
> Damian I've avoided that one (but notice I'm not arguing)
Anyways, every one know that BSD is dying ;-) (Cool, I can't be modded
down here, unlike slashdot
On Sun, 2003-03-09 at 20:26, Damian Gatabria wrote:
> On Monday 10 de March 2003 01:02, Levi Ramsey wrote:
> > On Sun Mar 09 22:07 -0500, Austin wrote:
> > > Well, at the very least, it's a great reason to switch to gnome. :-)
> >
> > Let's go for broke with this thread and bring emacs vs. vi, pos
On Sun, 2003-03-09 at 20:02, Levi Ramsey wrote:
> On Sun Mar 09 22:07 -0500, Austin wrote:
> > Well, at the very least, it's a great reason to switch to gnome. :-)
>
> Let's go for broke with this thread and bring emacs vs. vi, postfix vs.
> qmail, and Java vs. anything (anybody else have ideas?)
Le lun 10/03/2003 à 02:20, Brook Humphrey a écrit :
> Really most the users are so illiterate it supprises me they can drive cars.
BTW, I don't own a car. Where I live (Montreal, Sherbrooke now), where I
go often (Paris, New York), there is a good mass transit service, so you
don't need a car, wh
On Sunday 09 March 2003 06:35 pm, Jean-Michel Dault wrote:
>
> It's little things, but all these little things add up...
>
> Jean-Michel
This is so true> I'm not hacking on gnome and the last time I stated this
somebody just blew me off saying I started using gnome right off and it
great.
Well
On Sunday 09 March 2003 07:07 pm, Austin wrote:
> On 2003.03.09 20:42 Jean-Michel Dault wrote:
> > I don't know who it is, but *a lot* of users coming from Windows were
> > having problems with the single click, and they ended up always starting
> > their application twice. I don't think it's an un
On 2003.03.09 23:02 Levi Ramsey wrote:
Let's go for broke with this thread and bring emacs vs. vi, postfix vs.
qmail, and Java vs. anything (anybody else have ideas?) into it... ;o)
Evolution vs. Kmail
source vs. binary
QWERTY vs. DVORAK
MP3 vs. OGG
Galeon vs. Konqueror
divx vs. xvid
In fact, let's
On Monday 10 de March 2003 01:02, Levi Ramsey wrote:
> On Sun Mar 09 22:07 -0500, Austin wrote:
> > Well, at the very least, it's a great reason to switch to gnome. :-)
>
> Let's go for broke with this thread and bring emacs vs. vi, postfix vs.
> qmail, and Java vs. anything (anybody else have ide
On Sun Mar 09 22:07 -0500, Austin wrote:
> Well, at the very least, it's a great reason to switch to gnome. :-)
Let's go for broke with this thread and bring emacs vs. vi, postfix vs.
qmail, and Java vs. anything (anybody else have ideas?) into it... ;o)
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Levi Ramsey
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Le dim 09/03/2003 à 23:07, Austin a écrit :
> > I don't know who it is, but *a lot* of users coming from Windows were
> > having problems with the single click, and they ended up always starting
> > their application twice. I don't think it's an un-bright idea,
> > especially in the corporate envir
On 2003.03.09 20:42 Jean-Michel Dault wrote:
I don't know who it is, but *a lot* of users coming from Windows were
having problems with the single click, and they ended up always starting
their application twice. I don't think it's an un-bright idea,
especially in the corporate environment.
Well, a
Le dim 09/03/2003 à 16:21, Brent Hasty a écrit :
> whose un-bright idea was it to make double click default in mdk 9.1 rc2?`
I don't know who it is, but *a lot* of users coming from Windows were
having problems with the single click, and they ended up always starting
their application twice. I don
On Sun Mar 09 12:21 -0800, Brent Hasty wrote:
> whose un-bright idea was it to make double click default in mdk 9.1 rc2?`
> Forever it has been a single click enviroment in KDE, this change is really
> throughing a wrench at users who are familiar with and prefer a single click
> enviroment, make
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