Re: [css-d] stretch one div vertically in three column layout

2011-08-26 Thread Adam Ambrus
On 25. 8. 2011 21:12, David Laakso wrote: ... i have come to a pretty stable css, when it comes to rendering it with firefox or chrome. but the internet explorer gives me headache and behaves absolutely idiotically :( can you please refresh the page and hint me, what might be wrong, or ho

Re: [css-d] IE6 (was can style sheets be too long?)

2011-08-26 Thread david
Tim Climis wrote: I've been thinking that developing with IE6 in mind is in the past - my experience and data shows that people using IE/Windows have left IE6. Windows has been diligent in including browser upgrades as part of its "important" software updates. Are people seeing data contrair

Re: [css-d] IE6 (was can style sheets be too long?)

2011-08-26 Thread bruce . somers
>My current employer - and the previous employer - use IE6 as their >official corporate browser. The reason the current employer uses it? >High end mission critical enterprise web apps that work only with IE6. >Replacing the apps would cost millions of dollars or more, not worth it >for the relativ

[css-d] Off-topic : was IE6 (was can style sheets be too long?)

2011-08-26 Thread Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd)
bruce.som...@web.de wrote: >> My current employer - and the previous employer - use IE6 as their >> official corporate browser. The reason the current employer uses it? >> High end mission critical enterprise web apps that work only with IE6. >> Replacing the apps would cost millions of dollars o

Re: [css-d] Off-topic : was IE6, IE7, IE8, IE9

2011-08-26 Thread Alan Gresley
On 26/08/2011 7:39 PM, Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: If, at the time of development, no more recent version of IE than IE6 was available, then they may have had little alternative, IMHO. Philip Taylor Very true and off-topic. This debate will also apply to IE7, IE8 and IE9 and cou

Re: [css-d] IE6 and wirting-mode

2011-08-26 Thread Alan Gresley
On 26/08/2011 7:55 AM, Tim Climis wrote: It depends on your audience. I work primarily with international students, so the 30% of China, and the 17% of South Korea still using IE6 is a major concern. It may not be for your purposes. ---Tim There may be a very good reason for this. Please v

Re: [css-d] Off-topic : was IE6 (was can style sheets be too long?)

2011-08-26 Thread bruce . somers
>If, at the time of development, no more recent version >of IE than IE6 was available, then they may have had >little alternative, IMHO. > >Philip Taylor One can support IE without making use of proprietary features available only with IE. That's never a good idea. Bruce

Re: [css-d] Off-topic : was IE6 (was can style sheets be too long?)

2011-08-26 Thread Geoff Lane
On Friday, August 26, 2011, 12:15:48 PM, bruce.som...@web.de wrote: > One can support IE without making use of proprietary features > available only with IE. That's never a good idea. While that's easy to say with hindsight, it wasn't so readily apparent at the time and many of us produced applic

Re: [css-d] IE6 almost standard mode and quirks mode

2011-08-26 Thread Alan Gresley
On 26/08/2011 10:02 PM, Geoff Lane wrote: On Friday, August 26, 2011, 12:15:48 PM, bruce.som...@web.de wrote: One can support IE without making use of proprietary features available only with IE. That's never a good idea. While that's easy to say with hindsight, it wasn't so readily apparent

[css-d] h1 replacement -- which one is recommended?

2011-08-26 Thread Scott Hamm
I've been looking all over websites -- a lot of good h1 replacement suggestions. But which one is more practical, validated in all aspects i.e. bobby approved, html5, etc? __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.cs

[css-d] Off-topic : h1 replacement -- which one is recommended?

2011-08-26 Thread Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd)
Scott Hamm wrote: > I've been looking all over websites -- a lot of good h1 replacement > suggestions. But which one is more practical, validated in all aspects i.e. > bobby approved, html5, etc? is HTML, not CSS, but that said, why might anyone want to replace it ? Philip Taylor ___

Re: [css-d] can style sheets be too long?

2011-08-26 Thread Kevin A. Cameron
Nice! And thanks Tim for the clarification, I'll definitely be incorporating that syntax in future projects. Kevin On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 6:06 PM, John wrote: > > On Aug 25, 2011, at 9:10 AM, Kevin A. Cameron wrote: > > +1 for the OOCSS mentality...Start with a base class that defines the m

Re: [css-d] Off-topic : h1 replacement -- which one is recommended?

2011-08-26 Thread Kevin A. Cameron
I'm guessing this is referring to replacing text with a (background) image..? Kevin On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) < p.tay...@rhul.ac.uk> wrote: > > > Scott Hamm wrote: > > > I've been looking all over websites -- a lot of good h1 replacement > > suggestions.

Re: [css-d] Off-topic : h1 replacement -- which one is recommended?

2011-08-26 Thread Tim Arnold
I made the rounds of a few different techniques over the years for replacing H1 text with an image until I realized that the most reliable, most semantic, most indexable, most manageable solution was also the simplest: Google loves alt text. No extra classes to identify which background should

Re: [css-d] can style sheets be too long?

2011-08-26 Thread John
I'll probably be throwing them up online for testing soon, and I know I'll have issues/questions. I'm going to flag your email to me so that I can alert you when they're up, if that works. J On Aug 26, 2011, at 10:40 AM, Ted Rolle Jr. wrote: John, would you be willing to post or e-mail

[css-d] two similar pages; one scrolls. Why?

2011-08-26 Thread John
http://coffeeonmars.com/testing/Dev_index.html http://coffeeonmars.com/testing/Dev_WPR_A.html These two pages ^ are nearly identical, except that the second one has an image placed into it with a div tag, and that seems to be causing the second page to sprout a horizontal scroll bar!

Re: [css-d] two similar pages; one scrolls. Why?

2011-08-26 Thread John
On Aug 26, 2011, at 2:20 PM, John wrote: http://coffeeonmars.com/testing/Dev_index.html http://coffeeonmars.com/testing/Dev_WPR_A.html These two pages ^ are nearly identical, except that the second one has an image placed into it with a div tag, and that seems to be causing the seco

Re: [css-d] two similar pages; one scrolls. Why?

2011-08-26 Thread John
On Aug 26, 2011, at 2:36 PM, Angela French wrote: It's dependent on the size of my browser instance. If I spread it out a smidge bigger than my 19" monitor, it goes away. I don't believe you can control for that. Right. so, if it's smaller than 1024, scrollbar no mystery. But I'm gett

Re: [css-d] two similar pages; one scrolls. Why?

2011-08-26 Thread John
I stripped out all of the attributes of the image's div tag (which included width and height!) and kept only: { display: block; margin: 20px 0 0 160px; } and that seems to have fixed it..still testing and trying to break it and shakier on my feeble coding chops. any thoughts? J _

Re: [css-d] two similar pages; one scrolls. Why?

2011-08-26 Thread John
On Aug 26, 2011, at 2:55 PM, John wrote: I stripped out all of the attributes of the image's div tag (which included width and height!) and kept only: { display: block; margin: 20px 0 0 160px; } and that seems to have fixed it..still testing and trying to break it and shakier on m

Re: [css-d] two similar pages; one scrolls. Why?

2011-08-26 Thread David Laakso
On 8/26/11 5:55 PM, John wrote: I stripped out all of the attributes of the image's div tag (which included width and height!) and kept only: { display: block; margin: 20px 0 0 160px; } and that seems to have fixed it..still testing and trying to break it and shakier on my feeble coding c

Re: [css-d] two similar pages; one scrolls. Why? [ec]

2011-08-26 Thread David Laakso
Error Correction #WPR_Image_A { border: 1px solid red/*4 position only*/; } Best, someyoungguy __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-

Re: [css-d] two similar pages; one scrolls. Why?

2011-08-26 Thread John
On Aug 26, 2011, at 3:27 PM, David Laakso wrote: Try positioing all your stuff /without/ using position:absolute; or position: relative;. Margins will do. Padding when needed. Float left or right if margin left or right won't work. Stress test: press and hold apple; keep banging the + key

Re: [css-d] two similar pages; one scrolls. Why?

2011-08-26 Thread David Laakso
On 8/26/11 7:37 PM, John wrote: one of these days, I will know what I'm doing with this stuff... working. J Keep it lean. Keep it mean; Keep it simple. Keep at it! Best, someyoungguy __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.cs

Re: [css-d] two similar pages; one scrolls. Why?

2011-08-26 Thread Germán Martínez
Hi John, I think here's the problem: #WPR_Image_A { position: absolute; top: 210px; left: 160px; z-index: 70; height: 100px; width: 1024px; display: block; margin: 0 0 0 0; } You're setting a 1024px width to that element, then, because of the position:absolute adding the left 160px is using 10

Re: [css-d] two similar pages; one scrolls. Why?

2011-08-26 Thread John
On Aug 26, 2011, at 6:12 PM, Germán Martínez wrote: You're setting a 1024px width to that element, then, because of the position:absolute adding the left 160px is using 1024px +160px, and since the container is set to a 1024px witdth you see the scroll bar. An easy fix will be to set th

Re: [css-d] two similar pages; one scrolls. Why?

2011-08-26 Thread Scott Glasgow
- Original Message - From: "John" To: Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 7:37 PM Subject: Re: [css-d] two similar pages; one scrolls. Why? On Aug 26, 2011, at 3:27 PM, David Laakso wrote: Try positioing all your stuff /without/ using position:absolute; or position: relative;. Margins w

Re: [css-d] two similar pages; one scrolls. Why?

2011-08-26 Thread G.Sørtun
On 27.08.2011 01:37, John wrote: [...] I am not sure where, but somebody said that position: was the way to go... "Position" is fine ... once you master the various variants and all combinations. one of these days, I will know what I'm doing with this stuff... I am sure you will. Until th