From: Jeremy Peter Howells, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Remember most of the laws enacted after 1936 were in
effect edicts from the Nazi party as parliament (the
Riechstag) was not debating and passing the laws.
What the Nazis did within Germany was suspect legally.
What they did in the occupied territo
From: Jeremy Peter Howells, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I am always a little wary of using shotguns to deliver CS
or similar agents because the relative quantities of CS
crystals are small and the gas cartridge itself is not a
standard cartridge and causes functioning problems.
The Baton round gun deplo
From: Jeremy Peter Howells, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Do West Midlands Police really think that scattered
checkpoints will catch armed criminals and organised
drug gangs? I'll take a bet that both had the
checkpoints tagged for avoidance 5 minutes after they
were set up - the joys of the mobile phone!
From: "David L", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
AAA was bought out by the Australian Government as it
was regarded as an embarrassment. The problem was that
it made black semi-automatic rifles and carbines. Had
they used walnut stocks and produced bolt-actions it might
not have occurred.
Although the compan
From: Jeremy Peter Howells, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thing is we were and are some of the most law abiding
citizens in the country. Remember the march from Hyde
Park to Trafalgar Square? The police escorted us there
(basically directing traffic) and then all but a very
few left, could you imagine th
From: Ken Wyatt, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Poorly reported(by me) but, in Saturdays Sun a report from Greater
Manchester that a nursery was under attack from an "Airgun sniper" who
peppered the place with pellets.
Frightened staff rounded-up the kids and herded them inside whilst shots
pinged off the w
From: Dave Reay, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>From: "IG", INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>event come from the apparent joy these blokes gained
>from being able to deprive innocent citizens of their
>lawfully owned property. >
>
>I know each one of the officers personally who officiated
>at the infamous su
From: RustyBullethole, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Times 26.8.00
Brothers in small-screen gun battle
IT IS traditional for American Presidents to have an
embarrassing brother - Billy Carter and Roger Clinton
performed the role splendidly - But it seems that First
Brother Syndrome also affects those w
From: Jonathan Spencer, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Pearson, 53, of Rossington, Doncaster, was also convicted
>>of stealing two other guns, and of three charges of
>>possessing a firearm without a certificate,
>
>I'm surprised, given that in respect of two of the 'firearms' there was
>no evidence that
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COURT DECISION `SOON' ON POLICE SHOOTING DEATH
270907 AUG 10
By Damien Pearse, Crime Correspondent, PA News
A decision on whether to prosecute police officers who
shot dead a man who was carrying a table leg - which
they thought was a gun - could be announced th
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IG says, << I dont believe that people should disobey or
break a law, no matter how repugnant it is to the individual >>
This, IG, is exactly why some people take you to task and
we get tangled in these Nuremberg comparisons. The Law
might be a wonderful thing (I have t
From: Jonathan Spencer, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>The average police firearms officer in
>the UK is better off with a carbine or short rifle, especially
>out of doors where ranges are likely to be greater.
>Jerry
>--
>I don't agree, not when the target is generally only ten yards
>away.
And what
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Our message about the BBC Radio Wales programme was a bit
late because we got virtually no advance notification
about the programme.
We were invited to provide a speaker on Monday afternoon,
14th. August for a broadcast to take place on the 15th.
at midday. The programm
From: "Brian Toller", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Someone made reference to the poll tax riots earlier. I
>quite agree, violent protest has, in the past, forced a
>change in laws. Does anyone think, seriously, that violent
>protest by firearms owners is going to get a law repealed?
>Worse still, does an
From: Jeremy Peter Howells, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Given the ever increasing police deployment of firearms I
suspect the Arwen would be less looked down on now.
Regards
Jerry
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<< It
is a sickening burden, because I realised that the law is
written by a bunch of morons whose only real objective
is to get their name into the history books. >>
I have to slightly disagree with you on this one Steve. It
appears to me that the only reason for
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> I really cannot see the Australian government allowing
> a handgun plant in-country (ever) when both AAA and
> Hilver have already been squeezed out of business by
> the authorities over there.
>
> Nick Steadman
What happened to Hilver. I heard they closed but I don'
Sky Sports One will be showing the White Gold Cup in
clay pigeon shooting in the primetime viewing slot
of 8 am on Monday, 11 September.
Steve.
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TEENAGER FIRES AT NURSERY SCHOOL
251553 AUG 10
By Sinead McIntyre, PA News
A teenager armed with a ball-bearing gun fired at a nursery
school's windows as terrified children and staff hid inside.
The boy, believed to be aged 14, was seen with what looked
like
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
There is a fifty year gap in which the idea of employing "people of high
intellect" was replaced by some sort of sandwich course? What happened?
Robert,
Conspiracy theory has it that Soviet "agents of influence"
inside the Home Office changed p
From: "Brian Toller", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Radio5 every Saturday morning on Adrian Chiles program
they have a beginners guide to a sport which, I kid you
not, has included such high profile sports as Ferret
racing.
Finally this morning shooting got a look in or more
specifically Olympic shootin
From: "Jeff Wood", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"What is an illegal order?
Something somebody else doesnt like?
Get real."
At this very moment, various Serbs, Croats and Bosnians are being tried for
war crimes. Not only those they committed, but those they ordered, and some
of the head honchos from the B
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JEFF COOPER'S COMMENTARIES - Vol. 8, No. 9
Previously Gunsite Gossip
DOG DAYS
Here at Gunsite the weather is fine. We have had plenty of rain, the
fields are green, the tomatoes are ripe, and the cat is busy catching mice.
On the other hand,
From: Jeremy Peter Howells, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It is illegal for the police to obey illegal orders yes but
once a law is on the statute books it is not illegal to
enforce it. Remember much that was prosecuted at Nuremberg
were actions that were against the Geneva and Hague
conventions on the co
From: Jeremy Peter Howells, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
One 'military' storage facility lay inside a sub-division
where I served as a police officer. They were constantly
reporting items missing.
Quite often these are audit or inventory errors.
Remember the fire at Radway Green in the early 1980's.
Af
From: Jeremy Peter Howells, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
How and why there were changes I don't know. Perhaps the
Police College web site or the Home Office can shed some
light on this.
As for the appointed Chief Constables being effective,
that's a matter for heated debate. I believe there were
many c
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
As for the police leading a military parade thats usually
for traffice control not to show their pre-emienence over
the military.
Jerry,
That is not the only reason IIRC. Formed
bodies of troops with fixed bayonets may not enter a
town unless the
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Brian T wrote
Poll Tax! Ring any bells. Sod all would have happened about that
without countless demonstrations and possible civil unrest. But
thats an example of a govenment seriously p---ing off the majority.
Minorities have to make a lot more noise and achieve a
From: Thomas A Chandler, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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MAN HELD OVER BODY FOUND IN CAR
260436 AUG 10
By Anita Singh, PA News
A man has been found shot dead in the back of a car at a
travellers' site, police said today.
The victim was found with gun shot wounds by officers
called to the site in Mildenhall, Suffolk
From: "david", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>The moral being that you win
people over by being friendly to them and educating
them in the way you want them to think - attack them
and you have lost them.
Open your minds; you might take three steps forward
and suffer four steps back, but keep at it and
eve
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its
victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to
live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral
busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes
sleep, his cupidity may at some poin
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>If ACPO, the Police Federation etc., not to mention yourself
>know these laws are bad, why not do something about them?
>You can go and see your MP, you can make representations to
>your Federation rep. and so on.
It is not as easy as that. Constables ar
From: Jeremy Peter Howells, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The problem is many UK police do have problems hitting the
target at 10 yards as we have seen demonstarted several
times.
Also the carbine is a better intermediate weapon than the
shotgun with innocent bystanders around.
Well trained police marksm
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What is an illegal order?
Something somebody else doesnt like?
Get real.
IG,
An illegal order is one which would result in a breach of law, common
or statute, if complied with.
As you know doubt know the Constables Oath of Alleigance, which is requi
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