Re: Windows programs in Cygwin/X ?

2006-03-02 Thread Chris Green
; your Windows windows. Is there a reason you don't want to go this way? > Have you tried -multiwindow? > I still think the most obvious answer is a multiple desktop utility on the windows machine. Just click to the 'other' window. -- Chris Green ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) "Nev

Re: Windows programs in Cygwin/X ?

2006-02-28 Thread Chris Green
Windows program > into an invisible X window. Or something like that. > My approach is simply to run multiple desktops on my windows machine. I dedicate one to Cygwin/X and use the others for Windows programs. XP has a simple multi-desktop system that comes with it (I can't remember

Re: Mozilla, etc. via Cygwin/X

2006-01-17 Thread Chris Green
running xdm (or a dolled up version such as wdm, kdm or gdm) as well and it needs to be configured right. Having seen this second question of yours, are you trying to run mozilla across an ADSL or similar connection? I very occasionally do this but it's very, very, slow - like it can take min

Re: Fwd: Mozilla, etc. via Cygwin/X

2006-01-17 Thread Chris Green
uldn't need any more packages assuming you have downloaded the default set. I run my whole Linux desktop on my Windows PC without problems using Cygwin/X (and xdm on the remote Linux system). -- Chris Green ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) "Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained b

Re: FIXED my freeze on startup problem

2005-11-21 Thread Chris Green
place > where there was no distinction between the schemes > of thought in tv and computer programmes. > Yes, I am that old and ancient. > I wonder if you are older and ancienter than I am? My first programming job (note, not my first job) was about 1970. -- Chris Green ([EMAIL PR

Re: FIXED my freeze on startup problem

2005-11-21 Thread Chris Green
; which sounds discomforting. > In the UK the tendency is (or at least my tendency is) to use program for a computer program and programme for a radio or television programme. -- Chris Green ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) "Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompeten

Re: my 3 heads = apps in the dead zone

2005-11-17 Thread Chris Green
e the window is positioned is no longer done using the window manager configuration. -- Chris Green ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) "Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence." -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports:

Re: XDMCP issues

2005-10-11 Thread Chris Green
ay. I do what you;re trying to do on Windows 2000 and I don't remember any problems like this but it may well be that XP is being more 'secure'. You can 'ping my_XP_box' from the Linux box OK can you? -- Chris Green ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) "Never ascribe to malice t

Re: Is the error "Cannot create /tmp/.X11-unix ..." significant?

2005-08-24 Thread Chris Green
On Wed, Aug 24, 2005 at 10:46:43PM +0100, Chris Green wrote: > Running XWin release 6.8.2.0.4 to display a Linux desktop using xdmcp. > > In the startup window I get the error:- > > _XSERVTransmkdir: Cannot create /tmp/.X11-unix with root ownership > > Everything se

Is the error "Cannot create /tmp/.X11-unix ..." significant?

2005-08-24 Thread Chris Green
s the above error message indicate anything wrong? I have tried manually deleting /tmp/.X11-unix but it just gets recreated, owned by me. -- Chris Green ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) "Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence." -- Unsubscribe info: http:

Re: Cut/paste stops working after windows in standby mode

2005-08-24 Thread Chris Green
On Fri, Aug 19, 2005 at 07:24:51PM +0100, Chris Green wrote: > I have just started shutting my Windows 2000 box down to standby mode > rather than doing a full power down. When I do this it seems that the > Cygwin cut/paste stops working, i.e. when I try and cut and paste on > the L

Cut/paste stops working after windows in standby mode

2005-08-19 Thread Chris Green
rg version very soon. -- Chris Green ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) "Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence." -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation:

Re: 30+ reasons why X-Win32 is Better than Cygwin/X

2005-03-10 Thread Chris Green
ervers X-Win32 was by far the best that I could find at around $100 or less when I first looked several years ago. -- Chris Green ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) "Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence."

Re: Having XP and KDE desktops togather

2004-12-22 Thread Chris Green
of the virtual desktops lives in the Windows taskbar and applications can be dragged around in that 'picture' from one desktop to another if necessary. -- Chris Green ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) "Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence."

Re: I've lost cut and paste - any ideas why?

2004-12-19 Thread Chris Green
y of wdm anyway, I don't need any of the extra glitzy add-ons of gdm or kdm, the only reason I moved from xdm was because the Slackware 10 version woudn't work for me. -- Chris Green ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) "Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence."

Re: Does anyone else get these blank failed deliveries?

2004-12-17 Thread Chris Green
On Fri, Dec 17, 2004 at 05:29:25PM +0100, Alexander Gottwald wrote: > On Fri, 17 Dec 2004, Chris Green wrote: > > > It's something more subtle than the usual though as it is definitely > > only happening when I send mail to the Cygwin/X list, one of these > > &qu

Re: Does anyone else get these blank failed deliveries?

2004-12-17 Thread Chris Green
On Fri, Dec 17, 2004 at 11:20:42AM -0500, Christopher Faylor wrote: > On Fri, Dec 17, 2004 at 11:04:30AM -0500, Christopher Faylor wrote: > >On Fri, Dec 17, 2004 at 03:57:01PM +0000, Chris Green wrote: > >>Every time I send a message to the Cygwin/X list I get an empty b

Re: Does anyone else get these blank failed deliveries?

2004-12-17 Thread Chris Green
On Fri, Dec 17, 2004 at 05:02:36PM +0100, Alexander Gottwald wrote: > On Fri, 17 Dec 2004, Chris Green wrote: > > > Every time I send a message to the Cygwin/X list I get an empty bounce > > with the following headers:- > > > > From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Dec

Does anyone else get these blank failed deliveries?

2004-12-17 Thread Chris Green
17 Dec 2004 15:48:04 + (GMT) Is anyone else experiencing this? -- Chris Green ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) "Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence."

Re: I've lost cut and paste - any ideas why?

2004-12-17 Thread Chris Green
to work on my Slackware 10, I *think* it's something to do with it being compiled for ipv6. Maybe I should try building a version from source with ipv6 disabled, I've no need for all the extras that gdm provides, I just used it because it worked. -- Chris Green ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) "Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence."

Re: I've lost cut and paste - any ideas why?

2004-12-17 Thread Chris Green
On Fri, Dec 17, 2004 at 08:45:58AM -0500, Thomas Dickey wrote: > On Fri, 17 Dec 2004, Chris Green wrote: > > >On Fri, Dec 17, 2004 at 06:57:14AM -0500, Thomas Dickey wrote: > >>I have an impression that Slackware 10 introduced UTF-8 locales. > >>That's the first

Re: I've lost cut and paste - any ideas why?

2004-12-17 Thread Chris Green
On Fri, Dec 17, 2004 at 06:57:14AM -0500, Thomas Dickey wrote: > On Fri, 17 Dec 2004, Chris Green wrote: > > >I have lost the ability to cut and paste between my slackware Linux > >desktop and the Windows 2000 system on which I'm running Cygwin/X. > > > >It

Re: I've lost cut and paste - any ideas why?

2004-12-17 Thread Chris Green
On Fri, Dec 17, 2004 at 12:09:04PM +0100, Alexander Gottwald wrote: > On Fri, 17 Dec 2004, Chris Green wrote: [snip] > > > > Is there any configuration in the gdm/xdm area that would affect my > > ability to cut and paste? > > There was a similar report some days ag

I've lost cut and paste - any ideas why?

2004-12-17 Thread Chris Green
d I'm using gdm rather than xdm on that system. Is there any configuration in the gdm/xdm area that would affect my ability to cut and paste? -- Chris Green ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) "Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence."

Re: Upgrading from xfree to xorg, any major issues?

2004-10-25 Thread Chris Green
On Sun, Oct 24, 2004 at 07:28:18PM -0400, Igor Pechtchanski wrote: > On Sun, 24 Oct 2004, Alexander Gottwald wrote: > > > Chris Green wrote: > > > > > Some time soon I'm going to have to upgrade my present Cygwin/X > > > installation which is mostly 4.3.0.

Upgrading from xfree to xorg, any major issues?

2004-10-23 Thread Chris Green
Some time soon I'm going to have to upgrade my present Cygwin/X installation which is mostly 4.3.0.x Xfree to the latest Xorg versions. How painless is this likely to be? I run Cygwin/X on a Win2k machine and use it to display my Slackware Linux desktop using xdm. -- Chris Green ([

Answer from rxvt list [Re: Refreshing menus]

2004-10-09 Thread Chris Green
- Forwarded message from Geoff Wing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - Subject: Re: Refreshing menus Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 09:50:09 + (UTC) Chris Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> typed: :Is there a way to load a new menu into an rxvt v2.7.10 window? I :understand that the escape sequ

Re: Possibly OT: reloading rxvt menus

2004-10-08 Thread Chris Green
rkaround where I get the settings of the > current window, spawn a new one with the same settings and then kill > the parent window. This works but is slow and ugly. Any other > suggestions? > I'll post this to the rxvt list and report any results back. -- Chris Green ([EMAIL PRO

Re: running remote XDMCP session over ssh

2004-06-24 Thread Chris Green
On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 05:21:32PM +0200, Ariel Burbaickij wrote: > > Chris Green schrieb: > > > > >>But why would you need XDMCP if you already have a ssh connection to > > >>your remote computer? > > >> > > > > > > To get the

Re: running remote XDMCP session over ssh

2004-06-24 Thread Chris Green
y would you need XDMCP if you already have a ssh connection to > your remote computer? > To get the whole desktop with the window manager of the remote computer as opposed to using a local window manager maybe. -- Chris Green ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

Re: Terminal emulator capable of emulating Sun terminals

2004-05-28 Thread Chris Green
On Fri, May 28, 2004 at 06:53:51AM -0400, Thomas Dickey wrote: > On Fri, 28 May 2004, Chris Green wrote: > > > On Fri, May 28, 2004 at 11:20:57AM +0200, Ariel Burbaickij wrote: > > I suppose what I'm suggesting is that you run cygwin/X and use xdm to > > display your

Re: Terminal emulator capable of emulating Sun terminals

2004-05-28 Thread Chris Green
xterm without tektronix graphics) and find that there is very little I can't do with that. What do you need sun-cmd or dtterm for? -- Chris Green ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

Running more than one X server, how (or maybe there's another way)?

2004-03-24 Thread Chris Green
s. Can anyone think of a way of getting what I want? Can I start up an X server that will see the win2k virtual screens as different displays, or can I start up one that will see them all as one big wide display? -- Chris Green ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

Re: xhost/display oddities

2004-03-13 Thread Chris Green
On Sat, Mar 13, 2004 at 12:03:58PM +, Chris Green wrote: > On Sat, Mar 13, 2004 at 11:56:28AM +0000, Chris Green wrote: > > > > However if I try and run xhost it says 'unable to open display ""' and > > similarly xlsfonts says the same thing. &g

Re: xhost/display oddities

2004-03-13 Thread Chris Green
On Sat, Mar 13, 2004 at 11:56:28AM +, Chris Green wrote: > > However if I try and run xhost it says 'unable to open display ""' and > similarly xlsfonts says the same thing. > > How does rxvt know to try and open display 127.0.0.1:0.0 whereas xhost > and

xhost/display oddities

2004-03-13 Thread Chris Green
reas xhost and xlsfonts (and others presumably) just have nothing for the display? It's fixable by setting DISPLAY in the environment but it's a bit confusing. Come to that why on earth does xlsfonts want to open the display anyway, it only outputs to the console window. -- Chris Green ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

Re: Some help with [re-]installation please

2004-03-12 Thread Chris Green
graded package. > > > > What on earth does "To Uninstall, Reinstall, or get the Source for an > > existing package, click on Keep to toggle it.", mean??? > > > Did you try it? Clicking on Keep transitions it to Uninstall, Reinstall, > Source, etc. > No it doesn't, this still confuses me, there are Keep, Prev, Curr and Exp and you can select each but I have no idea what they do. Clicking on Keep doesn't toggle it, it just selects it. -- Chris Green ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

Questions on xhost, local display, etc.

2004-03-12 Thread Chris Green
sion to write on the display which needed xhost to run to allow it to. Is the /etc/X0.hosts file format described or documented anywhere? I looked for it in the documentation and couldn't find anything, it would be good to have this in the FAQ at least because it's a lifesaver! -- Chris Green ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

Re: Okay, I feel stupid

2004-03-10 Thread Chris Green
minal, in that case all you need to do is run the cygwin object that should be on your desktop and you have something like wghat you're after. If you want a 'proper' Unix/Linux terminal then you need rxvt which you may or may not have downloaded with cygwin. -- Chris Green ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

Some help with [re-]installation please

2004-03-10 Thread Chris Green
the need to reboot after upgrading, make sure to close all Cygwin windows and stop all Cygwin processes before setup.exe begins to install the upgraded package. What on earth does "To Uninstall, Reinstall, or get the Source for an existing package, click on Keep to toggle it.", mean??? -- Chris Green ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

Full screen, minus a bit, how?

2004-03-09 Thread Chris Green
us a way to get cygwin/X to bring up an xdmcp desktop in something like 1600x1160 mode would be very useful. -- Chris Green ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

Re: startxwin: cannot unlink

2004-02-23 Thread Chris Green
On Sun, Feb 22, 2004 at 03:16:12PM -0500, Igor Pechtchanski wrote: > On Sun, 22 Feb 2004, Elvin Peterson wrote: > > > --- Chris Green areticouk> wrote: > > Elvin, > > Please configure your mail client to not quote raw e-mail addresses in > replies -- they'

Re: startxwin: cannot unlink

2004-02-22 Thread Chris Green
o get rid of it from the windows command line. However I couldn't make any sense of the errors about "file in use" and so on either. -- Chris Green ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

Re: cannot get XDM on remote RH 8

2004-02-18 Thread Chris Green
On Wed, Feb 18, 2004 at 06:02:01PM +0100, amr roushi wrote: > Chris Green wrote: > >On Wed, Feb 18, 2004 at 04:22:48PM +0100, amr roushi wrote: > > > >>I am running on W2K with XF86 and running fine with AIX & SUSE I get the > >>xdm login via > >

Re: cannot get XDM on remote RH 8

2004-02-18 Thread Chris Green
hat Nothing happens and also nothing in the > XF86 log . Is xdm actually running on the Redhat system? On most Linux systems it isn't started by default I don't think, I usually add it to the rc.local file. -- Chris Green ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

Re: Initiating a remote X session

2004-01-21 Thread Chris Green
> the host which will run the application. > Another 'emigrant' from X-Win32, welcome! :-) I have recently changed because X-Win32 was becoming a bit expensive for a home (sort of SoHo) user. Cygwin seems to be just as good, and the clipboard handling is better now. -- Chris Green ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

Re: Xwin ... -clipboard problems

2004-01-15 Thread Chris Green
ied to the clipboard and the highlight > disappears. > How do I resolve this? > That shouldn't happen any more with the latest -40 version, it's fixed on my system anyway. -- Chris Green ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

Re: How/where to get latest XFree86-xserv-bin?

2004-01-13 Thread Chris Green
.kernel.org seems to work well for me, faster and more up to date then the UK site I was using. Downloading at this very moment. -- Chris Green ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

How/where to get latest XFree86-xserv-bin?

2004-01-13 Thread Chris Green
How do I set about getting the latest (-40) build? Can I do it using the normal setup.exe and, if so, which ftp site should I point it at? -- Chris Green ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

Re: Clipboard progress

2004-01-06 Thread Chris Green
he -query call which makes the XDMCP connection and calling xwinclip (I'm still using the separate xwinclip). -- Chris Green ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

Re: rxvt comes up with lots of escape sequences visible

2004-01-03 Thread Chris Green
On Sat, Jan 03, 2004 at 02:00:38PM -0500, Christopher Faylor wrote: > On Sat, Jan 03, 2004 at 06:18:37PM +0000, Chris Green wrote: > >On Sat, Jan 03, 2004 at 12:55:05PM -0500, Igor Pechtchanski wrote: > >> On Sat, 3 Jan 2004, Chris Green wrote: > >> > >> > W

Re: rxvt comes up with lots of escape sequences visible

2004-01-03 Thread Chris Green
On Sat, Jan 03, 2004 at 12:55:05PM -0500, Igor Pechtchanski wrote: > On Sat, 3 Jan 2004, Chris Green wrote: > > > When I start an rxvt window on my cygwin X display (a local win2k rxvt > > client that is) it has lots of visible escape sequences, e.g.:- > > > >

rxvt comes up with lots of escape sequences visible

2004-01-03 Thread Chris Green
? The window works otherwise, it redisplays the above after every command though. I've not done anything apart from installing rxvt (by using startup.exe) and then running rxvt. -- Chris Green ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

Re: [OT] Re: Possible to use clipboard with remote/xdm connection?

2004-01-03 Thread Chris Green
On Fri, Jan 02, 2004 at 06:50:53PM -0500, Igor Pechtchanski wrote: > On Fri, 2 Jan 2004, Chris Green wrote: > > > On Fri, Jan 02, 2004 at 08:33:41PM +0100, Alexander Gottwald wrote: > > > Chris Green wrote: > > > > > > > The xterm that one runs by

Re: cut and paste xfree <-> windows

2004-01-02 Thread Chris Green
On Fri, Jan 02, 2004 at 10:48:42PM +, Chris Green wrote: > I have finally got it working, my start up .BAT file to run an xdmcp > connection is as follows:- > > SET DISPLAY=192.168.13.25:0.0 > > SET REMOTE_HOST=192.168.13.1 > > SET CYGWIN_ROOT=\

Re: Possible to use clipboard with remote/xdm connection?

2004-01-02 Thread Chris Green
On Fri, Jan 02, 2004 at 08:33:41PM +0100, Alexander Gottwald wrote: > Chris Green wrote: > > > The xterm that one runs by clicking on the cygwin icon, the standard > > cygwin (not cygwin/X) terminal window. > > This is not xterm. This is just a windows console with

Re: Possible to use clipboard with remote/xdm connection?

2004-01-02 Thread Chris Green
e Alexander Yes, it's that enabled me to do it in the end. For the rest see my other reply. -- Chris Green ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

Re: cut and paste xfree <-> windows

2004-01-02 Thread Chris Green
. > > > Is there any change about ? > > > > use xwinclip. > > > > > > NP: Letzte Instanz - Glockenrequiem > > I saw this and the thread with Chris Green, and like Chris I still > don'know what to do. > > Is there a write-up that explicitely

Re: Possible to use clipboard with remote/xdm connection?

2004-01-02 Thread Chris Green
On Fri, Jan 02, 2004 at 09:13:26PM +0100, Alexander Gottwald wrote: > Chris Green wrote: > > > > Same with the gates of a castle. To get in, you must open it from inside. > > > This is the main principle of security. You can not allow those who have > > > no

Re: Possible to use clipboard with remote/xdm connection?

2004-01-02 Thread Chris Green
le should work OK. However it would now seem that it's actually impossible to execute xwinclip in the situation where one has am xdmcp connection to a remote computer. I'm not complaining (much!), but I am rather confused. :-) -- Chris Green ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

Re: Possible to use clipboard with remote/xdm connection?

2004-01-02 Thread Chris Green
On Fri, Jan 02, 2004 at 06:27:42PM +0100, Alexander Gottwald wrote: > On Fri, 2 Jan 2004, Chris Green wrote: > > > The "start /B xhost 127.0.0.1" and the "start /B xwinclip" both fail > > because they haven't got permission to access display 127.0.0.1:

Re: Possible to use clipboard with remote/xdm connection?

2004-01-02 Thread Chris Green
On Fri, Jan 02, 2004 at 05:10:57PM +0100, Alexander Gottwald wrote: > On Fri, 2 Jan 2004, Chris Green wrote: > > > But if I run xhost in that session I will be setting xhost permissions > > on the Linux Slackware system which is most definitely not what is > > requir

HOw to set up a 'compose' key?

2004-01-02 Thread Chris Green
Another little luxury I require, I want to be able to create accented characters. I had a compose key set up on my old (commercial) X server, is it easy to set one up using cygwin/X? -- Chris Green ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

Re: Possible to use clipboard with remote/xdm connection?

2004-01-02 Thread Chris Green
.0.1" and the "start /B xwinclip" both fail because they haven't got permission to access display 127.0.0.1:0.0. How on earth can one set this permission if xhost can't be run? The xterm one is running in has permission to display so why can't xhost and xwinterm display there too? -- Chris Green ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

Re: Possible to use clipboard with remote/xdm connection?

2004-01-02 Thread Chris Green
On Fri, Jan 02, 2004 at 03:33:42PM +0100, Alexander Gottwald wrote: > On Fri, 2 Jan 2004, Chris Green wrote: > > > The trouble is that when I run 'xhost 127.0.0.1' in a cygwin window on > > my win2k system I just get the error:- > > xhost: unable to open dis

Re: Possible to use clipboard with remote/xdm connection?

2004-01-02 Thread Chris Green
On Thu, Jan 01, 2004 at 07:26:45PM +0100, Alexander Gottwald wrote: > Chris Green wrote: > > > Do I then need to run a *local* cygwin window on my win2k system and > > run 'xwinclip'? In that case what will running 'xhost 127.0.0.1' on > > the remote

Re: Possible to use clipboard with remote/xdm connection?

2004-01-01 Thread Chris Green
On Wed, Dec 31, 2003 at 05:34:11PM -0500, Harold L Hunt II wrote: > Chris Green wrote: > > >Should it be possible to get the '-clipboard' parameter to work with > >cyxwin/X when connecting to a remote xdm program? > > > >I'm using cygwin/X on a win2k s

Possible to use clipboard with remote/xdm connection?

2003-12-31 Thread Chris Green
r from my WIn2k desktop? -- Chris Green ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

[chris@areti.co.uk: Re: Keyboard auto-repeat defaults when using 'xwin -query ']

2003-12-31 Thread Chris Green
Did my reply below get lost in the Christmas rush somewhere? I still have this autorepeat proplem though using an explicit xset command in my startup is OK as a workaround. - Forwarded message from Chris Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 14:03:33 + From: Chris

Re: Keyboard auto-repeat defaults when using 'xwin -query '

2003-12-27 Thread Chris Green
On Sat, Dec 27, 2003 at 02:31:58PM +0100, Alexander Gottwald wrote: > Chris Green wrote: > > > auto repeat delay: 100repeat rate: 10 > > > > > > That auto repeat delay is much too short. > > XWin tries to set the repeat rate to something similar t

Re: Keyboard auto-repeat defaults when using 'xwin -query '

2003-12-27 Thread Chris Green
On Fri, Dec 26, 2003 at 06:41:14PM -0500, Harold L Hunt II wrote: > Chris, > > Chris Green wrote: > >The problem is that when I connect using cygwin/xfree the auto-repeat > >is set to silly values, if I do an 'xset -q' I get:- > > > >auto repeat

Keyboard auto-repeat defaults when using 'xwin -query '

2003-12-26 Thread Chris Green
eat delay and speed whereas X-Win32 isn't. If it is setting these where are the default values? If it isn't then what is going on? I know I can fix it by using 'xset' but this seems a bit of a bodge, I'd rather do it properly. -- Chris Green ([EMAIL PROTECTED])