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Re: News: House votes life sentences for hackers (fwd)

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Re: The End of the Golden Age of Crypto

2002-11-15 Thread Tyler Durden
Indeed, I've heard the same. One could argue that for someone to believe in something (religion) so intensely as to shun all moral explanation against this hypothesis and to persist in those beliefs without any proof is akin to schizophrenia. Well, I'm sure this is not an issue that

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Re: Poker

2002-11-15 Thread Myers Carpenter
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Re: Poker

2002-11-15 Thread Nomen Nescio
James Donald writes: In principle it should be possible to create poker playing software where the server cannot cheat, but it is not obvious to me how this can be done. Does anyone know of a cheat proof algorithm? Sure, there are any number of poker algoerithms which prevent the server from

Re: The End of the Golden Age of Crypto

2002-11-15 Thread André Esteves
On Friday 15 November 2002 01:43, Sam Ritchie wrote: Actually, hehe, I've made this comparison before, of religion to a disease. (first off, let me clarify that I have nothing against anyone's religion! I'm looking at this from an outsider's perspective, and harbor no biases.) The torah, for

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-- Internet Poker is a big money activity. A major problem with this activity is that the site can choose to allow certain privileged players to cheat. In principle it should be possible to create poker playing software where the server cannot cheat, but it is not obvious to me how this can

Re: OPPOSE THE WAR! We are going to ruin Iraq to get the oil. Who's ne

2002-11-15 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Thu, Nov 14, 2002 at 05:41:55PM -0500, Steve Furlong wrote: On Thursday 14 November 2002 12:16, Harmon Seaver wrote: It's all relative -- what Dubbya and Asscruft have done to destroy freedom in the US is far worse than anything Saddam has done. Iraq had no freedom to lose.

Re: The End of the Golden Age of Crypto

2002-11-15 Thread Sam Ritchie
From: Andri Isidoro Fernandes Esteves [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:31:41 + To: Mike Rosing [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: The End of the Golden Age of Crypto On Thursday 14 November 2002 03:50, you wrote: On Wed, 13 Nov 2002, Sam Ritchie wrote:

Re: The End of the Golden Age of Crypto

2002-11-15 Thread Sam Ritchie
From: Andri Esteves [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 01:29:26 + To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: The End of the Golden Age of Crypto On Friday 15 November 2002 00:41, you wrote: Indeed, I've heard the same. One could argue that for someone to believe in something (religion)

Re: OPPOSE THE WAR! We are going to ruin Iraq to get the oil. Who's ne

2002-11-15 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Thu, Nov 14, 2002 at 11:13:06AM -0500, Mike Diehl wrote: Dubbya has only been in office about a year and a half, and in that time, he has destroyed Freedom in this country? I don't think so. I'm still able to practice my religion freely. How wonderful for you. Many of us sincerely

Re: News: House votes life sentences for hackers (fwd)

2002-11-15 Thread Tyler Durden
Holy Shit! Does that mean that some 18-year-old script kiddie could get LIFE? If this wasn't such an immense pile of stupidity, I'd get angry over the obvious invasions of privacy, etc... Having worked in many a company, I KNOW how most management systems work. Let's say there's something as

RE: OPPOSE THE WAR! We are going to ruin Iraq to get the oil. Who's next?

2002-11-15 Thread GaryJeffers
My Fellow Cypherpunks, Nomen Nescio writes Gary Jeffers writes: The purpose of the coming Iraq war is to steal their oil. After we get Iraq oil, which arab country is next? If U. State can get away with the theft of Iraq, then why not just keep on stealing? The beneficiaries of this war

Re: The End of the Golden Age of Crypto

2002-11-15 Thread Peter Fairbrother
Jim Choate wrote: On Wed, 13 Nov 2002, Peter Fairbrother wrote: Jim Choate wrote: What I'd like to know is does Godel's apply to all forms of para-consistent logic as well However you can have eg arithmetics without Peano counting, and so on, and there are (trivial according

Re: OPPOSE THE WAR! We are going to ruin Iraq to get the oil. Who's ne

2002-11-15 Thread Mike Diehl
On Thursday 14 November 2002 11:29 pm, Harmon Seaver wrote: How wonderful for you. Many of us sincerely wish we could practice our religion freely as well. And just who is stopping you? And what religion is it? I can criticize my government and stay out of prison.

Re: Fwd: [fc] list of papers accepted to FC'03

2002-11-15 Thread IanG
List of papers accepted to FC'03 I see pretty much a standard list of crypto papers here, albeit crypto with a waving of finance salt. What ever happened to Financial Cryptography? The organisers did say they were going to look at wider accessibility for the

Yet another attempt to defraud egold!

2002-11-15 Thread Sunder
This morning I received this threatening letter, apparently from egold claiming that my maximum balance would be set to zero if I don't promptly mail them notarized copies of various ID's... Oh, and somehow the defrauder believes that my true name is Thomas something or other... As I have no

Re: Where's Osama? (Re: OPPOSE THE WAR! We are going to ruin Iraq to get the oil. Who's next)

2002-11-15 Thread Adam Stenseth
On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Sunder wrote: (assuming that we'd win that Vietnam**2 war - Ha!), Just as a small aside, I think it's worth noting that every war the US has gotten involved in since Vietnam has been called Vietnam 2 by somebody: The first Iraq war, Kosovo, Somalia(even those two

Assassination Politics: Coming soon?

2002-11-15 Thread Keith Ray
It's been a number of years since Jim Bell wrote his infamous Assassination Politics essay. If someone were to try to implement the system today and not share Jim Bell's fate, they would need absolute anonymity and security. The technical requirements for implementing the system are: 1.

Re: OPPOSE THE WAR! We are going to ruin Iraq to get the oil. Who's ne

2002-11-15 Thread Steve Furlong
On Thursday 14 November 2002 12:16, Harmon Seaver wrote: It's all relative -- what Dubbya and Asscruft have done to destroy freedom in the US is far worse than anything Saddam has done. Iraq had no freedom to lose. So...When Iraqis are tortured to death, it's not really that bad because

Re: OPPOSE THE WAR! We are going to ruin Iraq to get the oil. Who's ne

2002-11-15 Thread Mike Diehl
On Thursday 14 November 2002 12:16 pm, Harmon Seaver wrote: It's all relative Ya, very relative. -- what Dubbya and Asscruft have done to destroy freedom in the US is far worse than anything Saddam has done. Iraq had no freedom to lose. Is Saddam really any different

Re: Yet another attempt to defraud egold!

2002-11-15 Thread Sunder
Also, this scammer has registered www.e-gold.cc which nic.cc doesn't give full into in whois. If you look at the urls, the human visible part says www.e-gold.com, but the anchor tag actually points to www.e-gold.cc. I noticed this after sending the original email to cypherpunks.

Re: The End of the Golden Age of Crypto

2002-11-15 Thread Peter Fairbrother
Tim May wrote: There are a lot of Godel anecdotes to tell. I never met him. Two things about his theory: 1. There's a more powerful (IMNSHO) formulation of it in terms of algorithmic information theory, usually associated with Greg Chaitin but also drawing on the AIT work of Kolmogorov

Re: Fwd: [fc] list of papers accepted to FC'03

2002-11-15 Thread James A. Donald
-- On 15 Nov 2002 at 10:55, IanG wrote: List of papers accepted to FC'03 I see pretty much a standard list of crypto papers here, albeit crypto with a waving of finance salt. Theory of what could be implemented has run well ahead of what has in

Re: Retry: Yet another attempt to defraud egold!

2002-11-15 Thread Sunder
It is a fake, I contacted e-gold before posting it here and sent them the email with headers, they've confirmed it and are attempting to shut down the web site of the spoofer. What's disturbing about this is that we are on someone's list as e-gold customers or something, and this is very likely

Re: Poker

2002-11-15 Thread Bill Stewart
James Donald writes: In principle it should be possible to create poker playing software where the server cannot cheat, but it is not obvious to me how this can be done. Does anyone know of a cheat proof algorithm? At 05:40 AM 11/15/2002 +0100, Nomen Nescio wrote: Sure, there are any

Re: Retry: Yet another attempt to defraud egold!

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Where's Osama? (Re: OPPOSE THE WAR! We are going to ruin Iraq to get the oil. Who's next)

2002-11-15 Thread Sunder
On Wed, 13 Nov 2002, Tyler Durden wrote: Anyone guess where's Waldo (Osama) now? My guess he's on the end of a bungee being kicked into Iraq right now! (The other end of the bungee is in a US chopper!) Osama is wherever Bush wants him to be. Once we're done with Iraq (assuming that we'd

Re: OPPOSE THE WAR! We are going to ruin Iraq to get the oil. Who's ne

2002-11-15 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Thu, Nov 14, 2002 at 11:31:23AM -0500, Ken Hirsch wrote: Harmon Seaver wrote: I don't see that Saddam is any less moral than Dubbya and Asscruft. What can you possibly mean by saying this? You lose all credibility for real criticism when you utter such inanities. It's like

Re: The End of the Golden Age of Crypto

2002-11-15 Thread Mike Rosing
On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, [iso-8859-1] Andri Isidoro Fernandes Esteves wrote: The religious person is always battling against reality wich with a minimum of inteligence from the observer always bring doubts on the truth of his faith. It's a state of mind wich can only be compared with mental

Re: The End of the Golden Age of Crypto

2002-11-15 Thread André Esteves
On Friday 15 November 2002 00:41, you wrote: Indeed, I've heard the same. One could argue that for someone to believe in something (religion) so intensely as to shun all moral explanation against this hypothesis and to persist in those beliefs without any proof is akin to schizophrenia. But

Re: The End of the Golden Age of Crypto

2002-11-15 Thread jayh
I would however, reverse your two definitions, I think the word belief suggests the more rational, evidence based mental model, faith is a subset belief that requires no evidence. All of us have beliefs (under my schema above) that are evidence based (we believe in the atomic model). Often our

Re: OPPOSE THE WAR! We are going to ruin Iraq to get the oil. Who's ne

2002-11-15 Thread Steve Schear
[A edited copy of a piece I published Oct 4th in the International Relations list. steve] I think that most Western nation leadership will eventually support the U.S.' military action against Iraq. However, they may do so not because they necessarily think Bush is right that Saddam's weapons

Re: Yet another attempt to defraud egold!

2002-11-15 Thread Tim May
On Friday, November 15, 2002, at 08:01 AM, Sunder wrote: This morning I received this threatening letter, apparently from egold claiming that my maximum balance would be set to zero if I don't promptly mail them notarized copies of various ID's... Oh, and somehow the defrauder believes

Re: News: House votes life sentences for hackers (fwd)

2002-11-15 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Fri, Nov 15, 2002 at 10:09:37AM -0500, Tyler Durden wrote: Holy Shit! Does that mean that some 18-year-old script kiddie could get LIFE? Yes, that's what the law says. Has to be a malicious attack, etc. I linked to the text of the bill -- you may want to read the gory details for yourself.