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Onderwerp: Re: [darktable-user] Darktable 3.2, a short review
On Thu, 20 Aug 2020 20:21:33 +0200
Marc Cabuy wrote:
> encountered in the very first weeks with dt. But is there somewhere a
> blog (in English or French) that you can advise where ideas are
>
I guess it's a bit hard to define what is the "natural" look of bright
sun, because we usually do not look directly at bright sun (since that
could damage our eyes).
On 2020-09-01 17:26, Top Rock Photography wrote:
Do not get caught up on the Sharpen module. I remember reading an
article
Do not get caught up on the Sharpen module. I remember reading an article
which claimed that ALL digital images NEED sharpening, and justified it by
claiming that ALL digital cameras do unsharpening with the OLPF, a.k.a., AA
filter. This is not true. My Pentax, (and every Pentax since the K-5 IIs,
On Tue, Sep 1, 2020, 05:38 Kneops wrote:
> I just played with an image of wooden
> beach poles and LR gives me more detail and edge sharpness, even when
> adding sharpness + local contrast + the highpass filter in DT.
>
Have you tried some of the "deblur" presets in contrast equalizer? Lately
I think that was me :). I bought a new pc (64Gb, M.2 drive i7 9700, 8
cores, 2 4Tb fast disks in Raid 1) and DT in Linux Mint was blazing fast
compared to DT on Windows (same machine when I decided I wanted to use
Windows + LR for a while).
Op 31-08-2020 om 21:56 schreef Top Rock
DT is great :), the only two things that currently hold me back is that
I still think LR overall does a better job in highlight / shadow
recovery and detail/sharpness. I just played with an image of wooden
beach poles and LR gives me more detail and edge sharpness, even when
adding sharpness +
Yes Karim, you're right, this is how it works at Adobe :(. My
subscription ends in october... still thinking about what to do then.
Op 31-08-2020 om 20:29 schreef Top Rock Photography:
Regarding the Adobe subscription, whereas one can pay for the annual
subscription in a single payment, or
question is somewhat important as I often interact with fellow photo
> art students at the evening school. (I hate to say this here, but they are
> mainly Mac, some on Windows, but never on Linux.)
>
>
>
> Marc.
>
>
>
> *Van:* Terry Pinfold
> *Verzonden:* dinsda
The other thing that cheesed me off about Adobe is that they will
automatically renew that annual subscription, and there is no way to opt
out of this automatic renewal. You need to wait until the month that your
current subscription expires, then cancel it manually, and if you forget
you will be
Regarding the Adobe subscription, whereas one can pay for the annual
subscription in a single payment, or monthly, Adobe does NOT offer a
month-by-month subscription; they only offer annual subscriptions. There is
a pro-rated penalty for early termination, which is 50% of the outstanding
balance
No not yet, I just tried one of the images posted there but I don't
understand how it works. The help pages of that website are not loading.
I have edited one of those images but don't understand how I can upload
my version.
Have you tried posting some problematic images as PlayRaw on
Indeed helpful to post a problematic picture on
https://discuss.pixls.us/c/processing/playraw/30
I got my sample picture with a clipping red highlight back recovered through
the tone equalizer module.
Marc.
> Op 29 aug. 2020 om 17:05 heeft KOVÁCS István het
> volgende geschreven:
>
>> On
On Sat, 29 Aug 2020 at 16:46, Kneops wrote:
>
> what is your
> opininion on highlight and shadow recovery in DT versus LR? My
> experience is that LR gives better and more natural results so far. I
> used masks a lot in DT, but at a certain point highlight recovery just
> makes the area look more
Hi Terry, thanks for this view on DT and LR. I agree on everything I
think, although I'm a Linux user who had to buy a Windows pc to use LR
for the first time. Since you use both extensively, what is your
opininion on highlight and shadow recovery in DT versus LR? My
experience is that LR
: [darktable-user] Darktable 3.2, a short review
Hi Terry, thanks for this view on DT and LR. I agree on everything I think,
although I'm a Linux user who had to buy a Windows pc to use LR for the first
time. Since you use both extensively, what is your opininion on highlight and
shadow recovery
Hi,
[sorry, meant to send this to the list, but at first replied to Kneops
by accident]
On Sat, 29 Aug 2020 at 12:11, Kneops wrote:
> But when I went to for instance horse jumping competition, a city trip
> or whatever, with lots of different lighting conditions, and I have 100
> or 200 images
Hi Marc,
You know, I don't mind fiddling around with many modules to get the best
possible image , if I have the time and it is only one or two images.
But when I went to for instance horse jumping competition, a city trip
or whatever, with lots of different lighting conditions, and I have
en interact with fellow photo
> art students at the evening school. (I hate to say this here, but they are
> mainly Mac, some on Windows, but never on Linux.)
>
>
>
> Marc.
>
>
>
> *Van:* Terry Pinfold
> *Verzonden:* dinsdag 25 augustus 2020 0:24
> *Aan:* Kneops
ents at the evening school. (I hate to say this here, but they are mainly
Mac, some on Windows, but never on Linux.)
Marc.
Van: Terry Pinfold
Verzonden: dinsdag 25 augustus 2020 0:24
Aan: Kneops
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Onderwerp: Re: [darktable-user] Darktable 3.2, a short review
It is really w
For what it's worth ...
I used to be an enthusiastic LR user. In fact, I used LR when it was a free
program developed by a small band of enthusiasts. I can't even remember if it
was called LR before Adobe bought it, but the point is that I'm a very long
time user of LR in all its incarnations.
It is really worth investing the time in learning DT. As an editing program
it leaves LR for dead. Yes Adobe has made a very easy to use product.
Rather than complicated modules just a few sliders and you have a good
image. LR is like an automatic car. DT is a high performance sports car.
Depends
Agreed. I have been using DT for several years. Last year I purchased LR
for several months and was lost; dropped the sub and continued on DT. I
compile from the latest dev branch on ubuntu and on a small Windows machine
for travel (laptop) is heavier.
On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 12:55 PM Pascal
Almost my path in raw software. Started with RT and DT, than found
Aftershot Pro (= Bibble) which was decent enough but no development
(indeed Corel fucked up the original software and are deceiving new
users), than back to DT for about 2 years until I tried LR. Not lost but
instead remarkably
True! I'm using LR now for going through my archive and I agree that at
some point it can get restrictive, but as I said earlier, for 99% of my
images it works very well and very fast. I don't like the library system
though, so at some point I will import everything in DT.
Op 24-08-2020 om
A penny worth of thoughts :) More than that.
Yes it could be time, but I just want to add that I'm in no way new to
editing software and have switched many times.
I started in the nineties with Photoshop, then used many brands of
software while working in a design company until I switched to
* Michael [08-24-20 14:21]:
> On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 1:53 PM Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> >
> > * Jason Polak [08-24-20 11:56]:
> > > I wonder though if some of that is not the psychology of used first vs.
> > > second, though. Because, I started out with darktable, and only years
> > > later did
On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 1:53 PM Patrick Shanahan wrote:
>
> * Jason Polak [08-24-20 11:56]:
> > I wonder though if some of that is not the psychology of used first vs.
> > second, though. Because, I started out with darktable, and only years
> > later did I try lightroom, and I found doing
Le lundi 24 août 2020 à 18:25 +0100, Ricardo Kozmate.Net a écrit :
> "Don't want to" is bit tough on people.
Don't you have crossed people thinking like this, with dubious
arguments to not use Linux, dubious arguments to not learn Libre
Office, dubious arguments to not use GIMP or dt... Because
* Jason Polak [08-24-20 11:56]:
> I wonder though if some of that is not the psychology of used first vs.
> second, though. Because, I started out with darktable, and only years
> later did I try lightroom, and I found doing things in Lightroom
> confusing even after half an hour with it. And
I think you misunderstood. I am not a professional photographer, and I
don't do photo editing every day. It would have been way less than I
month if I have spent a couple of hours every day on this.
Calendar time vs. effective time.
On 2020-08-24 09:07, Kneops wrote:
Hi Michael. I agree
Hi, all.
Em 24/08/2020 17:47, Pascal Obry escreveu:
Le lundi 24 août 2020 à 11:54 -0400, Jason Polak a écrit :
I wonder though if some of that is not the psychology of used first
vs. second, though.
I think that's exactly that indeed. People don't want to change their
mind and learn new
Le lundi 24 août 2020 à 11:54 -0400, Jason Polak a écrit :
> I wonder though if some of that is not the psychology of used first
> vs. second, though.
I think that's exactly that indeed. People don't want to change their
mind and learn new things.
On my side, I've been a Lr user for 5 years+
I wonder though if some of that is not the psychology of used first vs.
second, though. Because, I started out with darktable, and only years
later did I try lightroom, and I found doing things in Lightroom
confusing even after half an hour with it. And when I first started out
with darktable, I
Hi Michael. I agree ofcourse with what you say, but 'After a month'...
is exactly what I mean. If it takes a month, something is not right. I
never used LR, but opening it and - like I said - I could edit 99% of my
images the way I want within 5 minutes. I even don't use Gimp anymore,
unless
The filmic module can be a bit intimidating and unfamiliar if you are
used to Lightroom. But if you just spend a few hours watching videos and
reading instructions, and practice on a dozen of your own images, you
can become effective faster than you think. And it just got easier with
Darktable
those Tiff's are 2.5 times the size of
the Raw's.
Marc.
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Van: Kneops
Verzonden: vrijdag 21 augustus 2020 9:45
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Onderwerp: Re: [darktable-user] Darktable 3.2, a short review
My current reason for using LR is that I'm re-editing
edits on them. I keep the
Raw's too of course. It must be said those Tiff's are 2.5 times the size of
the Raw's.
Marc.
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Van: Kneops
Verzonden: vrijdag 21 augustus 2020 9:45
Aan: darktable-user@lists.darktable.org
Onderwerp: Re: [darktable-user] Darktable 3.2
Yes this is possible and I have used them for years, but it is much
harder to get the same results as compared to LR. I worked with DT for a
few years and then tried LR trial version. I did not like the fact that
I had to use the subscription model, but for now it gives me much better
and
My current reason for using LR is that I'm re-editing all my digital
images I find worthwhile saving, starting from 2002, and then export
them in 3 different ways: jpeg small for web, RGB and Adobe RGB high
quality jpegs. Those I will keep on several backup drives.
After I'm finished (and LR
On Thu, 20 Aug 2020 20:21:33 +0200
Marc Cabuy wrote:
> encountered in the very first weeks with dt. But is there somewhere a
> blog (in English or French) that you can advise where ideas are
> exchanged/posted about (creative) use of dt's capabilities?
>
Have you tried this? https://pixls.us/
Hi, I absolutely agree it can be very easy to use. Darktable like all software
apps has a learning curve but you tube has loads of videos to help, I found
that using lightroom years ago I had the initial learning process. You can
create styles in dt to speed things up and just apply them then
It appears that this email may not have been delivered - so I am re-sending
it. If this is a duplication I apologize.
I have been following this thread and agree wholeheartedly that darktable
is an incredible piece of software. I'm a bit surprised that someone could
call it very difficult. Any
On Thu, 20 Aug 2020 at 09:40, Kneops wrote:
> For example the filmic module is so full of options
> and sliders and words that are not obvious/comprehensible for most
> people
You don't *have to* use them all... I set exposure in the exposure
module, set the white and black point, and that's it
All,
Thank you for your feedback. I highly value your reflections on my black
statements, certainly when it comes to convince others/friends about (my recent
discovery of) darktable.
This current blog has been very helpful, and still is, for issues that I
encountered in the very first weeks
I have been following this thread and agree wholeheartedly that darktable
is an incredible piece of software. I'm a bit surprised that someone could
call it very difficult. Any really capable graphics program is going to
have many complexities and endless features., so the question of how
I have to agree with Pascal that there is a 'simplified' way of using dt
that essentially makes it even far easier than using lr.
I place 6 modules into my favorites, each is preset for my normal needs
and then with 90% of my images all I need to do is to adjust the white
and black relative
Le jeudi 20 août 2020 à 17:18 +0200, marc.ca...@gmail.com a écrit :
> But otherwise you have to warn your friends that the threshold for
> learning dt is high. Lightroom and others are, as you say, much
> simpler and intuitive.
I just don't agree. I had given courses on Lightroom (just to say I
On jeudi 20 août 2020 17:18:22 CEST marc.ca...@gmail.com wrote:
> Jack,
>
> I do indeed think that I also will not be able to easily convince friends to
> use darktable. As an amateur, my reason for trying to use dt has to do with
> the subscription model that is being established more and more
accessible to
the broader public.
Marc.
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Van: Kneops
Verzonden: donderdag 20 augustus 2020 9:39
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Onderwerp: Re: [darktable-user] Darktable 3.2, a short review
@jason and @pascal,
I agree, it is a marvellous piece of work
@jason and @pascal,
I agree, it is a marvellous piece of work, unbelievable really and I
love it but not use it as much as I would like to. And I would never
recommend it to friends :(. Even for me as a freelance photographer (20+
years of experience) it feels like it is made for techies, not
Hi Pascal and Co. You have done a great job with DT. I have access to LR
and PS and all Adobe programs because I my job but I just love DT and the
masks that allow local adjustments. I confess I would love to see Dt and
Rawtherapee join forces and become Dark Therapee, but I guess that will not
Hi Jason,
> Overall impressions: a worthy improvement (thanks, developers!). I am
> going to adjust to a new workflow with darktable 3.2, but it is not a
> big adjustment. I think overall darktable has come very far since the
> early days, and it is hard to believe such a program is free
>
On Tue, Aug 18, 2020, at 16:36, Jason Polak wrote:
> 4. Also, on the topic of filmic, it is much easier to have a properly
> saturated image now, adjusting under the "look" tab. When first
> activated, filmic does seem to crush blacks a little, but that is easily
> adjusted.
I ended up including
Dear List,
Just want to add my experiences with Darktable 3.2 I installed it on a
testing laptop, a Macbook Pro 2011, so quite old but works decently well
with Linux Mint 20. I have been using darktable since the early days of
2015, and most recently I have had several months experience with
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