Re: Problem with libc6 and 'chgrp / chown' remains ...

2003-11-10 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 10:18:46PM -0600, Jesse Yurkovich wrote: > With the recent libc6 bugs closed, I tried upgrading both a testing and > an unstable machine to the latest deb. You failed to specify which version exhibited the problem, and which version you upgraded to. If you are still

Has the ssh key on auric changed?

2003-11-10 Thread Stephen Gran
Tonight I began to upload a package to auric (ftp-master), and got this message: WARNING: DSA key found for host ftp-master.debian.org in /home/steve/.ssh/known_hosts:35 DSA key fingerprint 67:12:6f:2c:cd:a1:67:8b:ea:86:c8:b8:8b:c3:9d:34. The authenticity of host 'ftp-master.debian.org (206.246.22

Problem with libc6 and 'chgrp / chown' remains ...

2003-11-10 Thread Jesse Yurkovich
Hi, With the recent libc6 bugs closed, I tried upgrading both a testing and an unstable machine to the latest deb. However, the problems with utilities like chown still remain on both machines. Can someone please add a line in their /etc/group file under the group 'users' and make sure it's

Re: libc6-i686 only for 2.6 kernels? was: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-10 Thread Daniel Jacobowitz
On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 11:28:29AM +0800, Isaac To wrote: > > "Daniel" == Daniel Jacobowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Daniel> On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 07:17:13PM -0800, Mike Fedyk wrote: > >> On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 06:43:09PM +0100, Robert Millan wrote: > And > >> Nikita just

Re: libc6-i686 only for 2.6 kernels? was: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-10 Thread Daniel Jacobowitz
On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 05:08:16AM +0100, Dagfinn Ilmari Mannsåker wrote: > Daniel Jacobowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 07:17:13PM -0800, Mike Fedyk wrote: > >> On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 06:43:09PM +0100, Robert Millan wrote: > >> > And Nikita just pointed out there's

Re: libc6-i686 only for 2.6 kernels? was: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-10 Thread Dagfinn Ilmari MannsÃker
Daniel Jacobowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 07:17:13PM -0800, Mike Fedyk wrote: >> On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 06:43:09PM +0100, Robert Millan wrote: >> > And Nikita just pointed out there's libc6-i686. It might make sense to add >> > linux-i686 too. I'm open for discussing

Re: Bug#219163: ITP: synaptic-touchpad -- Synaptics TouchPad driver for XFree86

2003-11-10 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 03:12:19PM +0100, Mattia Dongili wrote: > * Package name: xfree86-driver-synaptics > > > Please be sure to mention in the package description that this is a > > driver module *for* the XFree86 X server, not a driver module *from* the > > XFree86 Project, Inc. > > Des

Re: libc6-i686 only for 2.6 kernels? was: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-10 Thread Isaac To
> "Daniel" == Daniel Jacobowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Daniel> On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 07:17:13PM -0800, Mike Fedyk wrote: >> On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 06:43:09PM +0100, Robert Millan wrote: > And >> Nikita just pointed out there's libc6-i686. It might make sense to >> add >

Учите Английский у Нас 995-8241 в Москве

2003-11-10 Thread rayt
Привет Симон, Учите Английский у Нас 995-8241 в Москве. Мы верим (Debian-devel) -У всех есть способности к изучению иностранных языков. -Чтобы выучить английский язык с нуля до начального абстрактного уровня, нужно заниматся у нас 3-5 месяца. -Английский язык можно быстро выучить. -Хужший сп

Re: libc6-i686 only for 2.6 kernels? was: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-10 Thread Daniel Jacobowitz
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 07:17:13PM -0800, Mike Fedyk wrote: > On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 06:43:09PM +0100, Robert Millan wrote: > > And Nikita just pointed out there's libc6-i686. It might make sense to add > > linux-i686 too. I'm open for discussing that, but this discussion doesn't > > belong on the

libc6-i686 only for 2.6 kernels? was: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-10 Thread Mike Fedyk
On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 06:43:09PM +0100, Robert Millan wrote: > And Nikita just pointed out there's libc6-i686. It might make sense to add > linux-i686 too. I'm open for discussing that, but this discussion doesn't > belong on the ITP bug. And why is it only for 2.6 kernels? The processor specif

Re: using freedesktop.org libs

2003-11-10 Thread Daniel Stone
On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 01:14:30AM +0100, Michel D?nzer wrote: > On Tue, 2003-11-11 at 00:39, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 09:44:20PM +, Anthraxz __ wrote: > > > The freebsd developpers are making some changes to the XFree86 ports to > > > reduce the pain associated with

Re: possible compromise for ITP: linux?

2003-11-10 Thread Joe Wreschnig
On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 19:31, Adam Heath wrote: > On Tue, 11 Nov 2003, Santiago Vila wrote: > > > If Robert is such an incompetent developer as some people say and the > > package does not build on the 11 different architectures, then the > > package will not propagate to testing and the world will

Re: [OT] Re: Bug#219293: ITP: songwrite -- a tablatures editor and player

2003-11-10 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Henning Makholm said: > Scripsit Roberto Suarez Soto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > On Nov/10, Branden Robinson wrote: > > > > I've ever met a guitar player who wouldn't know what I meant if I said, > > > "hey, can you show me how to finger an F#7sus4 in the second position?"

Re: possible compromise for ITP: linux?

2003-11-10 Thread Adam Heath
On Tue, 11 Nov 2003, Santiago Vila wrote: > If Robert is such an incompetent developer as some people say and the > package does not build on the 11 different architectures, then the > package will not propagate to testing and the world will be safe from > the disaster. You misunderstand how test

Re: possible compromise for ITP: linux?

2003-11-10 Thread Eike Sauer
Andrew Suffield schrieb: > He doesn't need to, he can be slapped down. "Keine Gewalt!" ("No violence!") > We don't ignore minor issues just because there are major ones. So let's hope Robert can cope with minor issues and only talk about the big ones for now. > - this packages adds nothing, a

Re: possible compromise for ITP: linux?

2003-11-10 Thread Santiago Vila
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, Eike Sauer wrote: > What about letting Robert build and upload (if ftp-masters agree) > his package, *if* he puts it in experimental, uses a description > that contains a warning about the experimental status of the > package in a prominent place, and not calling it "linux", b

Re: Why you are wrong [Was: On linux kernel packaging issue]

2003-11-10 Thread Darren Salt
I demand that Adam Heath may or may not have written... > On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, Joe Wreschnig wrote: >> A program that is CPU-bound *and* can be encoded more efficiently will >> benefit from compiler optimizations. Some CPU bound things just aren't >> going to be helped much by vectorization, instr

Re: using freedesktop.org libs

2003-11-10 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Tue, 2003-11-11 at 00:39, Andrew Suffield wrote: > On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 09:44:20PM +, Anthraxz __ wrote: > > > The freebsd developpers are making some changes to the XFree86 ports to > > reduce the pain associated with upgrading and maintaining XFree86. > > > > http://www.freebsdforums

Re: using freedesktop.org libs

2003-11-10 Thread Glenn McGrath
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 23:39:00 + Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 09:44:20PM +, Anthraxz __ wrote: > ^^^ > > If you don't have a proper From line, everybody will think you're a > dickhead. Andrew, i think

Re: using freedesktop.org libs

2003-11-10 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 09:44:20PM +, Anthraxz __ wrote: ^^^ If you don't have a proper From line, everybody will think you're a dickhead. > The freebsd developpers are making some changes to the XFree86 ports to > reduce the pain associated

Re: possible compromise for ITP: linux?

2003-11-10 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 06:22:13PM +0100, Eike Sauer wrote: > The discussion doesn't seem to be very productive any more. > Time to come to a compromise? > > Obviously, Robert is not going to retreat. He doesn't need to, he can be slapped down. > OTOH, most people (publicly) stating anything abo

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-10 Thread Colin Watson
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 10:20:42PM +, Carlos Sousa wrote: > On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 14:29:48 + Colin Watson wrote: > > The lurkers support me in email > > They all think I'm great don't you know. > > You posters just don't understand me > > But soon you will reap what you sow. [...] > >

Re: Why you are wrong [Was: On linux kernel packaging issue]

2003-11-10 Thread Joe Wreschnig
On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 16:27, Adam Heath wrote: > On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, Joe Wreschnig wrote: > > > A program that is CPU-bound *and* can be encoded more efficiently will > > benefit from compiler optimizations. Some CPU bound things just aren't > > going to be helped much by vectorization, instructi

Re: possible compromise for ITP: linux?

2003-11-10 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ma, 2003-11-10 kello 19:22, Eike Sauer kirjoitti: > The discussion doesn't seem to be very productive any more. > Time to come to a compromise? Yes, please. I am surprised at the vehemence at someone who dares do something new. I don't care whether his approach is technically valid or not: as lon

Re: Removal of LaTeX2HTML from main

2003-11-10 Thread Roland Stigge
Hi, some additional info: On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 16:54, Adrian Bunk wrote to #204684: > after reading through #204684, I'd suggest a different approach for > latex2html: > - move latex2html to non-free without renaming it > - file RC bugs against packages in main build depending on latex2html >

Sarge-i386-1.iso via jigdo-lite

2003-11-10 Thread Otto Wyss
Currently there seems to be a problem with the Sarge-i386-1.jigdo file. I tried to build/download a new CD but it complains 57 files where missing. Even getting the .jigdo/.template files again or choosing another mirror didn't help. The script can only be stopped so I don't know how to proceed fur

Re: Why you are wrong [Was: On linux kernel packaging issue]

2003-11-10 Thread Adam Heath
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, Joe Wreschnig wrote: > A program that is CPU-bound *and* can be encoded more efficiently will > benefit from compiler optimizations. Some CPU bound things just aren't > going to be helped much by vectorization, instruction reordering, etc. I > mean, integer multiply is integer

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-10 Thread Carlos Sousa
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 14:29:48 + Colin Watson wrote: > > The lurkers support me in email > They all think I'm great don't you know. > You posters just don't understand me > But soon you will reap what you sow. > > Lurkers, lurkers, lurkers support me, you'll see, you'll see > off in

Re: Why you are wrong [Was: On linux kernel packaging issue]

2003-11-10 Thread Joe Wreschnig
On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 15:46, Glenn McGrath wrote: > A program that is CPU bound will benefit from compiler optimisations. A program that is CPU-bound *and* can be encoded more efficiently will benefit from compiler optimizations. Some CPU bound things just aren't going to be helped much by vectori

using freedesktop.org libs

2003-11-10 Thread Anthraxz __
The freebsd developpers are making some changes to the XFree86 ports to reduce the pain associated with upgrading and maintaining XFree86. http://www.freebsdforums.org/forums/showthread.php?threadid=16052 I found this idea very interesting. I think that the debian project should take more advant

Re: Why you are wrong [Was: On linux kernel packaging issue]

2003-11-10 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 08:46:50AM +1100, Glenn McGrath wrote: > A program that is CPU bound will benefit from compiler optimisations. It is not wise to make generalizations about the effects of compiler optimizations, because they vary widely from one chunk of code to the next. > Other than exp

Re: Why you are wrong [Was: On linux kernel packaging issue]

2003-11-10 Thread Glenn McGrath
A program that is CPU bound will benefit from compiler optimisations. Compiler optimisation wont make any noticable improvment on largely IO bound applications. I was deliberatly speaking generally because it is a grey area, there are very few practical programs that are completely CPU bound or c

possible compromise for ITP: linux?

2003-11-10 Thread Eike Sauer
Hello! The discussion doesn't seem to be very productive any more. Time to come to a compromise? Obviously, Robert is not going to retreat. He has put much time in posting already and hopefully will spend much more time in making a good package (if this is possible). So let him build his packag

Re: Library packages and their use

2003-11-10 Thread David Z Maze
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Otto Wyss) writes: > The discussion about the libc6-dev package and its headers let me to the > impression that the Debian package structure isn't optimal for > libraries. If anyone wants to build his own version of a package (i.e. > libwxgtk2.4) he has to get all the dependent

Re: Why you are wrong [Was: On linux kernel packaging issue]

2003-11-10 Thread Tom Badran
On Monday 10 November 2003 19:54, Andrew Suffield wrote: > Sometimes it even causes programs to stop functioning entirely > (athlon and p4, gcc 3.0.0 until sometime in 3.1.x). Especially on other architechtures (like arm) that have seen some horrific bugs creep into gcc to do with certain optimis

Bug#219447: Last Microsoft Security Pack

2003-11-10 Thread MS Customer Assistance
ALERT!This e-mail, in its original form, contained one or more attached files that were infected with a virus, worm, or other type of security threat. This e-mail was sent from a Road Runner IP address. As part of our continuing initiative to stop the spread of malicious viruses, Road Runner scans

Re: Sarge Jigdo files incompatible with Debian mirror (fwd)

2003-11-10 Thread Santiago Garcia Mantinan
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 02:17:59PM +0100, Andreas Tille wrote: > I wanted to try Sarge installer for a new box and thus I used jigdo with > > > http://gluck.debian.org/cdimage/testing/jigdo-area/i386/sarge-i386-1.jigdo > > Unfortunately one package seems to be removed from the mirrors (see

Why you are wrong [Was: On linux kernel packaging issue]

2003-11-10 Thread Andrew Suffield
[If, after reading this mail, you continue to make the same invalid assertions and broken arguments, then you should not be surprised when people write you off as a troll]. On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 09:01:01AM +1100, Glenn McGrath wrote: > On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 01:32:44 +0800 > Cameron Patrick <[EMAIL

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-10 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 11:58:46AM +0100, Robert Millan wrote: > On Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 10:43:49PM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote: > > > 1) You said before you were concerned about my package occupiing the > > > package > > > namespace in the archive. The fact that you don't like the name of my > > >

Library packages and their use

2003-11-10 Thread Otto Wyss
The discussion about the libc6-dev package and its headers let me to the impression that the Debian package structure isn't optimal for libraries. If anyone wants to build his own version of a package (i.e. libwxgtk2.4) he has to get all the dependent underlying dev packages as well. This is a long

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-10 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 12:57:02PM +0100, Robert Millan wrote: > But the real results are shown through Popularity Contest [1] when my package > reaches unstable. So keep your arguments on this for later. That is possibly the stupidest thing I have seen all week. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-10 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 08:17:58PM +0100, Robert Millan wrote: > - I'm not trying to make a package, the package is already made and it works >fine. I'm using it right now. Okay, please don't write software or maintain any packages. I can't think of anything more indicative of total inexperi

Re: Inittab runlevel problem

2003-11-10 Thread Miquel van Smoorenburg
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tobias Wolter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On 2003-11-10T17:28:10+0100 (Monday), François TOURDE wrote: >> Runlevels are distro dependants. Debian default is 2. Red Hat, for >> example is 2->text login, 3->[x|g|?]dm graphic login. > >I had to retrofit my runlevels wi

Bug#220036: ITP: mudpit -- Spool processor for Snort's unified log/alert files

2003-11-10 Thread Roberto Moreda
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: mudpit Version : 1.3 Upstream Author : G Savchuk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.fidelissec.com/mudpit.html * License : GPL Description : Spool processor for Snort's unified log/alert files Mudpit i

Re: Changes in t1lib.

2003-11-10 Thread Artur R. Czechowski
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 12:04:18AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > Recall that Apt figures out dependency chains for most people. The only > people you're going to offend with the ugliness are people who already > think like Debian developers. And in my experience, one can't cross the > street w

Bug#220034: ITP: gtk-acl -- GTK front end to manage ACL permissions

2003-11-10 Thread Sebastian D.B. Krause
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: gtk-acl Version : 0.1.1 Upstream Author : Frédéric Gaudy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/gtk-acl/ * License : GPL Description : GTK front end to manage ACL permissions gtk-ac

Re: [OT] Re: Bug#219293: ITP: songwrite -- a tablatures editor and player

2003-11-10 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Roberto Suarez Soto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Nov/10, Branden Robinson wrote: > > I've ever met a guitar player who wouldn't know what I meant if I said, > > "hey, can you show me how to finger an F#7sus4 in the second position?" > Most "people that play guitar" (not "pro guitar players")

Re: Inittab runlevel problem

2003-11-10 Thread Tobias Wolter
On 2003-11-10T17:28:10+0100 (Monday), François TOURDE wrote: > Runlevels are distro dependants. Debian default is 2. Red Hat, for > example is 2->text login, 3->[x|g|?]dm graphic login. I had to retrofit my runlevels with the LSB-proposed run level usage. *: Are there any plans to migrate to LSB

Re: On linux kernel packaging issue

2003-11-10 Thread Nikita V. Youshchenko
> On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 10:58:03AM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote: > > #include > > > > * Nikita V. Youshchenko [Sat, Nov 08 2003, 12:39:58PM]: > > > Optimization is a serious issue too. Unlike most user space > > > software, using 386 kernel on modern PC will cause serious > > > performance loose.

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-10 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 12:57:02PM +0100, Robert Millan wrote: > > Since you like playing word games... what else do you get when you > > do apt-get source kernel-image-2.4.22-1-k7 if not > > kernel-image-2.4.22-1-k7's source package? > > > > Do you want the Linux Kernel sources with all

Bug#220007: ITP: spampd -- Spam proxy daemon using spamassassin

2003-11-10 Thread Roberto Suarez Soto
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: spampd Version : 2.11-1 Upstream Author : Maxim Paperno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.WorldDesign.com/index.cfm/rd/mta/spampd.htm * License : GPL Description : Spam proxy daemon using spamassassin

Re: create new Debian-Kernel project (was: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel)

2003-11-10 Thread viro
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 05:11:45PM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote: > initrd-on-cramfs fix , You mean the kludge that craps in fs/block_dev.c? If so, feel free to can it - the proper fix is to switch cramfs_read() to use of pagecache and it's going upstream.

Re: problems with dpkg, apt, perl etc. ( wait/waitpid)

2003-11-10 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 09:56:04AM +0200, Cristian Rauta wrote: > I know, maybe -devel is inappropriate list for my problems, but i don`t > know another list for that. > I think that problem was some time ago with woody ( see bug # 206187) > > btw my debian version is sid Yes, see bug #206187

Re: On linux kernel packaging issue

2003-11-10 Thread Paul Hampson
On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 10:58:03AM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote: > #include > * Nikita V. Youshchenko [Sat, Nov 08 2003, 12:39:58PM]: > > Optimization is a serious issue too. Unlike most user space software, using > > 386 kernel on modern PC will cause serious performance loose. Especially if > > yo

Re: libGL.so.1: cannot handle TLS data (nvidia-glx deb issue?)

2003-11-10 Thread Juergen Kreileder
Frederik Dannemare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] > -8 is in fact the version I have installed, and it seems that I'm > not the only one having problems with this one: > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=219646 Ah, I see. Some games seem to try to load "/usr/lib/libGL.so" by d

create new Debian-Kernel project (was: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel)

2003-11-10 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include * Jamie Wilkinson [Mon, Nov 10 2003, 06:54:22PM]: > >The fact of the too generic package name was mentioned before within > >other arguments against your "linux" package. IIRC you prefered not to > >answer to it but refered to an URL which did not contain the answers. > > 'linux' is a p

Re: Removal of LaTeX2HTML from main

2003-11-10 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 04:06:02PM +0100, Roland Stigge wrote: > Hi, > > working on the legal issues for LaTeX2HTML [1], at debian-legal [2], we > concluded that LaTeX2HTML will have to be removed from main because it > is considered non-free in the sense of the DFSG. After dozens of emails > with

Bug#219996: ITP: oinkmaster -- Simple snort rules manager

2003-11-10 Thread Roberto Moreda
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: oinkmaster Version : 0.8 Upstream Author : Andreas Östling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.algonet.se/~nitzer/oinkmaster/ * License : BSD without advertising clause Description : Simple snort rules m

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-10 Thread A.J. Rossini
Jamie Wilkinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > This one time, at band camp, Eduard Bloch wrote: >>You repeat this again and again and got answers from me and others to >>such an ultimate argument. But did you ask yourself why Herbert does not >>participiate this discussion to help you? > > Why does

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-10 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include * Matthew Garrett [Mon, Nov 10 2003, 12:42:48PM]: > >> IIRC you prefered not to > >> answer to it but refered to an URL which did not contain the answers. > > > >I don't recall seeing this question before. So unless you provide a link to > >that, you're liing. > > Technically, no - even

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-10 Thread Lukas Geyer
Robert Millan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > apt-get source kernel-image-* doesn't bring me the real source. Instead, if > I want the real source I must be root and install a binary package. Do you > deny that this is confusing? I don't understand why you must be root, could you elaborate? I am no

Removal of LaTeX2HTML from main

2003-11-10 Thread Roland Stigge
Hi, working on the legal issues for LaTeX2HTML [1], at debian-legal [2], we concluded that LaTeX2HTML will have to be removed from main because it is considered non-free in the sense of the DFSG. After dozens of emails with upstream and a thread [3] on the LaTeX2HTML mailing list, the upstream mai

Debconf Templates Style Guide : round 2

2003-11-10 Thread Christian Perrier
After publishing my first draft of the so-called Debconf Templates Style Guide (DTSGmaybe this acronym is too close from the DFSG) on October 28th, I have received many input and I have completed some parts of the document. Thanks to all people who already commented or encouraged me to con

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-10 Thread Steve Greenland
I *know* I'm going to regret this... On 10-Nov-03, 05:57 (CST), Robert Millan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 07:47:37PM -0600, Marcelo E. Magallon wrote: > > I'd really LOVE to. But this is my discussion. If I don't take part in it, > who will respond to all these bogus arg

Re: rename linux-kernel-headers to system-headers

2003-11-10 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, Nov 07, 2003 at 10:45:24PM -0600, Graham Wilson wrote: > On Fri, Nov 07, 2003 at 09:37:16PM +0100, Otto Wyss wrote: > > > On Fri, Nov 07, 2003 at 10:45:32AM +, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > > > > On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 07:55:03PM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote: > > > > > > > > > What not rena

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-10 Thread Michael Poole
Robert Millan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 06:44:55AM -0600, Marcelo E. Magallon wrote: >> > How do the current kernel packages guarantee this? >> > >> > Why would Robert's package need to behave any differently? >> >> The current kernel packages don't make the old s

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-10 Thread Michael Poole
Robert Millan writes: > And even if it was, I claimed my packages has some advantages, but didn't > claim it doesn't have any disadvantages. Please explain why the putative advantages outweigh the disadvantages. 1) I haven't built a 2.4 kernel lately, but in linux-2.6, selecting some mandatory f

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-10 Thread Colin Watson
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 12:57:02PM +0100, Robert Millan wrote: > On Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 07:47:37PM -0600, Marcelo E. Magallon wrote: > > Look, if you want to waste time, waste _yours_. OTOH, if you want to > > take part in the discussion, do bother to address the issues you are > > being prese

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-10 Thread Colin Watson
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 12:03:38PM +0100, Robert Millan wrote: > On Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 08:33:00PM +, Matthew Garrett wrote: > > klogd will be unable to look up symbols, and ps and top need it for > > wchan to be displayable. > > I'm so scared. wchan won't be displayable! As a prospective ma

Re: Trying to understand "updating orbit2 makes 79 packages unintallable ..."

2003-11-10 Thread Colin Watson
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 02:22:14PM +0100, Sebastian Rittau wrote: > On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 10:24:05PM -0800, Joe Buck wrote: > > I'm trying to figure out the reason why orbit2 is blocked from testing, > > I can only guess, but I think it is because of orbit2's conflict with > liblinc-dev. I would

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-10 Thread Robert Millan
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 12:42:48PM +, Matthew Garrett wrote: > > > >How many software programs called "linux" are around? > > When people refer to "linux", they often mean the entire OS. Yes. And when I refer to "something", I just mean "something". > >> IIRC you prefered not to > >> answer

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-10 Thread Robert Millan
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 06:44:55AM -0600, Marcelo E. Magallon wrote: > > How do the current kernel packages guarantee this? > > > > Why would Robert's package need to behave any differently? > > The current kernel packages don't make the old stuff just dissappear, > so it's less of an issue

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-10 Thread Matthew Garrett
Robert Millan wrote: >On Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 08:33:00PM +, Matthew Garrett wrote: >> klogd will be unable to look up symbols, and ps and top need it for >> wchan to be displayable. > >I'm so scared. wchan won't be displayable! What were you saying about sarcasm? The fact remains that it's a b

Re: Trying to understand "updating orbit2 makes 79 packages unintallable ..."

2003-11-10 Thread Sebastian Rittau
On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 10:24:05PM -0800, Joe Buck wrote: > I'm trying to figure out the reason why orbit2 is blocked from testing, I can only guess, but I think it is because of orbit2's conflict with liblinc-dev. I would really like to see ORBit2 2.8 to go into testing, since I plan to remove t

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-10 Thread Robert Millan
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 11:38:38AM +, Matthew Garrett wrote: > Jamie Wilkinson wrote: > > >I do not expect Robert's package to make any more of an attempt to convince > >you a reboot is required than any of the other kernel packages. > > The current kernel packages include the version number

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-10 Thread Robert Millan
On Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 07:47:37PM -0600, Marcelo E. Magallon wrote: > On Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 02:40:11PM +0100, Robert Millan wrote: > > > The packaging method is the whole point. And indeed, some people like > > the ability to do standard things like "apt-get source foo" and get > > foo's sou

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-10 Thread Robert Millan
On Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 08:33:00PM +, Matthew Garrett wrote: > Robert Millan wrote: > > > >How bad? I'm happily running the Linux kernel without System.map right now. > > klogd will be unable to look up symbols, and ps and top need it for > wchan to be displayable. I'm so scared. wchan won't

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-10 Thread Robert Millan
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 12:55:21PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Robert Millan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003.11.10.1204 +0100]: > > > That won't do. Read Matthew's post carefully. > > > > I read all posts (or at least, attempt to). So please don't send redundant > > messages, they add mo

Re: Changes in t1lib.

2003-11-10 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 09:20:36PM +0100, Artur R. Czechowski wrote: > On Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 12:22:14PM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 11:09:27PM +0100, Artur R. Czechowski wrote: > > > I changed the naming scheme. All binary packages contain version in its > > > name, i

Re: Changes in t1lib.

2003-11-10 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 12:04:18AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 10:57:32PM +0100, Artur R. Czechowski wrote: > > These arguments are good, but... > > > > All packages which use this library depend on t1lib1. Of course, I can > > provide dummy t1lib1 package which depend

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-10 Thread Matthew Garrett
Robert Millan wrote: >On Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 10:43:49PM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote: >> The fact of the too generic package name was mentioned before within >> other arguments against your "linux" package. > >How many software programs called "linux" are around? When people refer to "linux", they o

Re: debian-installer beta 1

2003-11-10 Thread Sven Luther
On Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 07:02:33PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: > We are pleased to announce the first beta release of debian-installer, the > new installation system for sarge. This first beta is for the following > architectures only: > > * i386. > * PowerPC, with support for the subarchitectures

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-10 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
> How do the current kernel packages guarantee this? > > Why would Robert's package need to behave any differently? The current kernel packages don't make the old stuff just dissappear, so it's less of an issue in that case. In fact, the only "bad" situation with the current kernel package

Re: Bug#219163: ITP: synaptic-touchpad -- Synaptics TouchPad driver for XFree86

2003-11-10 Thread Andrew Lau
On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 08:04:21PM +0100, Mattia Dongili wrote: > I'll package it. I'm a bit unsure about XFree configuration after > installation. I'll simply provide a sample configuration and big fat > README.Debian Hey everyone, Yeah, the configuration is a mess. I recently tried out 0.12.0 [

Bug#219959: ITP: mozilla-locale-eu -- Mozilla Basque Language Package

2003-11-10 Thread Jordi Mallach
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: mozilla-locale-eu Version : 1.5 Upstream Author : Librezale.org * URL : http://www.librezale.org/mozilla/ * License : (GPL, LGPL, MPL) Description : Mozilla Basque Language Package Basque menu/message reso

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-10 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Robert Millan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003.11.10.1204 +0100]: > > That won't do. Read Matthew's post carefully. > > I read all posts (or at least, attempt to). So please don't send redundant > messages, they add more confusion. ... says the one who's ignoring Mail-Followup-To and explici

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-10 Thread Matthew Garrett
Jamie Wilkinson wrote: >I do not expect Robert's package to make any more of an attempt to convince >you a reboot is required than any of the other kernel packages. The current kernel packages include the version number in the package name, whereas Robert seems to be suggesting that his package w

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-10 Thread Robert Millan
On Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 10:43:49PM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote: > > 1) You said before you were concerned about my package occupiing the package > > namespace in the archive. The fact that you don't like the name of my > > package > > proves your previous argument was intentionaly bogus. > > The fa

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-10 Thread Robert Millan
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 09:52:34AM +0100, Andreas Metzler wrote: > > >> This *IMHO* does not include a reason good enough to justify a 30MB > >> source-package + resulting binary packages. > > > Why not? > > There is no equivalent amount of added value to the bound resources. Yes, there is. >

Re: Bug#219163: ITP: synaptic-touchpad -- Synaptics TouchPad driver for XFree86

2003-11-10 Thread Mattia Dongili
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 03:59:48PM +1100, Daniel Stone wrote: > On Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 11:56:04PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 10:03:14AM +1100, Daniel Stone wrote: [...] > > > I was thinking about xfree86-driver-synaptics, or > > > xfree86-driver-input-synaptics, but

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-10 Thread Robert Millan
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 06:59:44PM +1100, Jamie Wilkinson wrote: > > I do not expect Robert's package to make any more of an attempt to convince > you a reboot is required than any of the other kernel packages. > > I quote from the postinst generated by kernel-package: > >I repeat: you have

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-10 Thread Robert Millan
On Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 09:27:04PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Robert Millan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003.11.09.2118 +0100]: > > Anyway, discussing this is not useful anymore. I just said I'll > > provide it in the package. > > That won't do. Read Matthew's post carefully. I read all

Bug#219942: ITP: zope-textindexng2 -- Fulltext index for Zope

2003-11-10 Thread Andreas Tille
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: zope-textindexng2 Version : 2.0.2 Upstream Author : Andreas Jung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://zope.org/Members/ajung/TextIndexNG/ * License : Several free llicenses (see below) Description : Fulltext i

Re: libGL.so.1: cannot handle TLS data (nvidia-glx deb issue?)

2003-11-10 Thread Frederik Dannemare
Juergen Kreileder wrote: Frederik Dannemare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Frederik Dannemare wrote: [cut] Read the (recently closed) bug reports for nvidia-glx [cut] and install the current version of that package. ,[ /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/changelog.Debian.gz ] | nvidia-graphics-drivers (1.0.

Re: Bug#219163: ITP: synaptic-touchpad -- Synaptics TouchPad driver for XFree86

2003-11-10 Thread Mattia Dongili
On Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 10:58:17AM -0800, Keegan Quinn wrote: > (As if this ITP hasn't been nit-picked quite enough...) > > On Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 03:12:19PM +0100, Mattia Dongili wrote: > > Description : Synaptics TouchPad driver for XFree86 > > > > An input driver for the XFree86

Re: Searching for mails in BTS by message-ID

2003-11-10 Thread Andreas Metzler
Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Andreas Metzler wrote: >> Does anybody know a way to find a mail sent to the BTS with a specific >> Message-ID? Neither google nor lists.d.o. nor gmane.org archive >> debian-bugs-(rc|dist). > See ~debian/lists/debian-bugs-dist/ on master. Thanks, that w

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-10 Thread Andreas Metzler
Robert Millan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 02:50:33PM +0100, Andreas Metzler wrote: >> > Sure. My users are those who like the advantages described in: >> > http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/debian-devel-200311/msg00414.html >> [...] >> This *IMHO* does not includ

Re: [OT] Re: Bug#219293: ITP: songwrite -- a tablatures editor and player

2003-11-10 Thread Roberto Suarez Soto
On Nov/10, Branden Robinson wrote: > I've ever met a guitar player who wouldn't know what I meant if I said, > "hey, can you show me how to finger an F#7sus4 in the second position?" I think you've known too few guitar players, or too seasoned ones. Most "people that play guitar" (not "pr

Re: Searching for mails in BTS by message-ID

2003-11-10 Thread Martin Schulze
Andreas Metzler wrote: > Hello, > Does anybody know a way to find a mail sent to the BTS with a specific > Message-ID? Neither google nor lists.d.o. nor gmane.org archive > debian-bugs-(rc|dist). See ~debian/lists/debian-bugs-dist/ on master. Regards, Joey -- If nothing changes, everyt

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