phil995511 - - 17.04.22, 14:17:11 CEST:
> My post is trying to bring your attention to a major issue, nothing
> more, if you're too tired take a vacation, but respect my request and
> make sure to fix issues of Chromium on Debian Stable updates that
> aren't sufficient as it is.
There is nothing
phil995511 - - 17.04.22, 13:18:25 CEST:
> > Replying off-list.
I replied off list for a reason.
*sigh*
--
Martin
Dr. Bas Wijnen - 24.03.22, 10:50:47 CET:
> There is work to be done. Uneasy work. But important to do,
> nonetheless.
>
> There was work to be done. It has been done. The result is that
> Norbert was sanctioned. Please accept that and stop pretending that
> the debate is still ongoing.
Just one
No CC needed. Thanks.
Pierre-Elliott Bécue - 24.03.22, 00:34:25 CET:
> > I am astonished to see, again, how people here seem to project all
> > badness in the world onto a single former, cause expelled, Debian
> > developer. Especially one with whom I had zero problems with and one
> > who
Ulrike Uhlig - 23.03.22, 17:02:14 CET:
> On a sidenote, I would like to urge the people who did so in this
> thread to stop using the word "toxic" to describe that someone is
> being called out for bullying, abusive behavior, discriminatory, or
> (passive-)agressive remarks. This is victim
Adam Borowski - 23.03.22, 16:46:48 CET:
> On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 03:37:27PM +0100, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> > You're not the first one with the same reaction, so here's why.
> >
> > Norbert publicly lies, writting he's not packaging in Debian "thanks
> > to the da-manager", why should we care?
Martin Steigerwald - 23.03.22, 08:54:12 CET:
> Jonathan Carter - 23.03.22, 07:38:02 CET:
> > On 2022/03/22 22:01, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> > > In his latest post, Norbert wrote:
> […]
>
> > I agree that his posts aren't appropriate for planet (I didn't pay
> >
Cc'd to you as you cc'd me. I do not really need a Cc though.
Sam Hartman - 11.04.21, 12:44:17 CEST:
> >>>>> "Martin" == Martin Steigerwald writes:
> Martin> I remember that at the recent KDE Academy meetups, I think
> Martin> the last two, there has been
Dear Tomas, dear Debian community,
to...@tuxteam.de - 11.04.21, 11:46:02 CEST:
> So in the end, I think the only real way is to raise awareness, with
> the goal tha /we all/ try to help keeing a friendly tone.
>
> It's a fine line to walk, between intervening (good) and vigilante
> (perhaps too
Dear Justin.
Justin - 26.03.20, 01:15:10 CET:
> Hello guys, I am inquiring if you make a package which would like
> onenote for microsoft. Do you have a interactive package that would
> be used just like onenote or similar? Also do you make a package like
> a virtual machine or similar where you
Sam Hartman - 01.01.20, 15:59:31 CET:
> >>>>> "Martin" == Martin Steigerwald writes:
> Martin> Dear Sam.
>
> Martin> Sam Hartman - 31.12.19, 15:37:09 CET:
> >> folks, emotions are very high at the moment. It would really
>
Aron Xu - 01.01.20, 12:22:49 CET:
> On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 7:09 PM Martin Steigerwald
wrote:
> > Dear Sam.
> >
> > Sam Hartman - 31.12.19, 15:37:09 CET:
> > > folks, emotions are very high at the moment. It would really help
> > > if
>
Dear Sam.
Sam Hartman - 31.12.19, 15:37:09 CET:
> folks, emotions are very high at the moment. It would really help if
> you could let the discussion die down. If there are issues that you
> need to address, please reach out to da-manager, the listmaster, DPL,
> the community team, or anyone
Hi Aron, hi everyone,
Aron Xu - 31.12.19, 15:57:22 CET:
> On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 5:00 AM Ondřej Surý wrote:
> > the init systemd GR is over and we have reached the results in a
> > democratic way by following Debian Constitution. However following
> > the process is orthogonal to our opinions,
Dear Marc.
I can certainly relate to your frustration. Also with Plasma certain
things are broken, like some applications that use Qt WebEngine, IMHO
partly due to only a few people dedicating their time to do all the
packaging for Qt/KDE, which is a lot, a huge lot of work.
Marc Munro -
Alexander Wirt - 06.07.19, 20:00:
> On Tue, 02 Jul 2019, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> > On 15451 March 1977, Alexander Wirt wrote:
> > > > The tone is absolutely civilized.
> > > > And yet, the cost to people who have to do this education again
> > > > and
> > > > again is really high.
> > >
> > >
Jonathan Carter - 02.07.19, 10:54:
> On 2019/07/02 10:35, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> > How about a month of welcoming *all* contributors regardless of
> > their
> > skin color, their sexual orientation, their political viewpoints,
> > their appearance?
> >
&
Colin Watson - 02.07.19, 12:25:
> On Tue, Jul 02, 2019 at 11:07:39AM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> > Actually I felt something like similar like this myself before (not
> > related to the pridemonth thing). There still a lot of oppression of
> > women and a lack of
Marc Haber - 02.07.19, 11:06:
> On Tue, Jul 02, 2019 at 10:35:21AM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> > How about a month of welcoming *all* contributors regardless of
> > their
> > skin color, their sexual orientation, their political viewpoints,
> > their appearance
Martin Steigerwald - 02.07.19, 10:35:
> Russ Allbery - 02.07.19, 00:26:
> > Adrian Bunk writes:
> > > It is also a meaningful gesture if some people are excluded from
> > > being welcomed.
> > >
> > > Would Debian honor a month of white heterosexual
Russ Allbery - 02.07.19, 00:26:
> Adrian Bunk writes:
> > It is also a meaningful gesture if some people are excluded from
> > being welcomed.
> >
> > Would Debian honor a month of white heterosexual men?
>
> Do you think people with those attributes have been made
> systematically unwelcome in
Robin Wheeler - 26.03.19, 07:58:
> The humble & humiliating apology made by Comrade Preining last week
> smells like the confessions that political prisoners
> make after undergoing thought reform and coercive persuasion
> programs. The State 100% right and Comrade Prisoner 100% wrong.
> Of
Hi Remy.
remy wehrung - 15.03.19, 12:32:
> Hello, I use Débian 9.x professionally, but it is necessary to use
> libraries, EDI and CUDA more recent, I develloppe an ecologic system
> and I must be at once up to date and to have a reliable informatic.
> Débian 10 m 'is mandatory especially with
Hallo Klauspeter Hauf,
Hector Oron - 14.03.19, 14:59:
> Hello Mr. Klauspeter Hauf,
>
> Missatge de l'adreça del dia dj., 14 de març
>
> 2019 a les 14:44:
> > Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren,
> >
> > leider muss ich Ihnen mitteilen, dass die auf der Seite des ffis
> > e.V. veröffentlichte
Dear Gavin.
Gavin Howard - 04.02.19, 17:28:
> I am not a contributor, so take what I say with a grain of salt.
>
> I was planning on becoming a contributor to Debian recently and joined
> the mailing list in preparation for doing so. And then I saw
> everything that was happening.
>
> It made
Dear Daniel.
Daniel Pocock - 04.02.19, 07:29:
> On 03/02/2019 11:02, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> > Daniel Pocock - 03.02.19, 08:38:
> >> This reveals a lot about the serious problems in Debian right now.
> >> Did we really sign up to be part of an experimen
Daniel Pocock - 03.02.19, 08:38:
> This reveals a lot about the serious problems in Debian right now.
> Did we really sign up to be part of an experiment like that? I
> didn't.
>
> Why do certain people want to start out with enforcement, skipping
> over normal human relations, avoiding
Thomas Lange - 09.01.19, 18:17:
> > This reminded me about
> > https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2018/12/msg00025.html
>
> For easier understanding, this is the post from Daniel with subject:
>
> "€ 500 cash bounty for information / Debian privacy breaches"
Thanks for looking it up.
I do
Miles Fidelman - 08.01.19, 18:16:
> > I would have been very surprised if you had told me 6 months ago
> > that
> > I would be writing this, but:
> >
> > Please consider Devuan as an alternative. You have probably seen
> > awful mails from one or two very toxic trolls pushing Devuan, but
> > the
Ian Jackson - 07.01.19, 19:00:
> > For me, any code of conduct and its enforcement needs to be based on
> > actual behavior, never on assuming intentions or assuming about how
> > people are.
>
> Once again, there is a difference between *assuming* and *inferring*.
>
> I doubt this will really
Hello,
Ian Jackson - 07.01.19, 16:57:
> Miles Fidelman writes ("Re: Censorship in Debian"):
> > On 1/6/19 1:38 AM, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > > [systemd stuff]
> >
> > [systemd stuff]
>
> I appreciate that the fights over systemd have been a defining
> experience for many of us. Many of us are
Dear Ian.
Ian Jackson - 05.01.19, 18:17:
> Very competently toxic people will calculate precisely what they can
> get away with: they will ride roughshod over weak victims or in
> situations with less visibility; when challenged by an authority who
> can impose consequences, they will lie and
Hello Roberto.
Roberto C. Sánchez - 29.12.18, 18:12:
> Suppose for a moment that a project member [… hypothetical case …]
[…]
> The reason I use the above example is because it is a difficult case
> to handle. The cases where harm is clearly intended are
> comparitavely very easy to deal with.
Dear Daniel.
Daniel Pocock - 27.12.18, 05:41:
> On 21/12/18 09:25, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> > I agree with Russ that your framing of this is absolutely abhorrent.
> > Your continued justification of it is digging a bigger hole. I beg
> > you, please take a step back and reconsider your approach
Dear Russ, dear Daniel.
Russ Allbery - 21.12.18, 00:46:
> > Having been rear ended by a utility van, thrown off a motorbike half
> > way across a roundabout and having also received abusive and
> > threatening messages from people within the Debian community, I
> > feel that the physical pain
Marc Haber - 26.04.18, 15:12:
> On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 10:12:40PM +1000, Russell Stuart wrote:
> > laptop-mod-mode tools seems to put the laptop into pretty optimal
> > settings without me having to touch anything, or so powertop says.
>
> Can Laptop-mode-tools in Thinkpads also limit charging
Hi Marc.
Marc Haber - 26.04.18, 11:00:
> On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 09:35:45AM +0100, Chris Lamb wrote:
> > > I was just Wondering if you have any considerations for issuing an
> > > update or designing lets say Debian 10 with Power Management for
> > > laptops in mind.
> >
> > Such modifications
Colin Watson - 19.04.18, 01:42:
> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 09:28:44PM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> > Did I get this right that you think that a person can be a problem
> > that possibly would have to be removed from the project?
> >
> > If so I heavily disagree wit
Ian Jackson - 18.04.18, 19:23:
> The answer is, carrot: advertising that the alternative route has a
> possibility of delivering something like what an angry person actually
> thinks they want - punishment for the wrongdoer.
>
> And, of course, stick: if you post to d-devel anyway then your own
>
Ian Jackson - 18.04.18, 18:17:
> Lars Wirzenius writes ("Re: Conflict escalation and discipline"):
> > "Debian emotional support group", maybe.
>
> I find this suggestion very surprising, possibly even insulting. At
> the very least I need to be much clearer.
>
> > But maybe wait with the
Lars Wirzenius - 18.04.18, 15:08:
> On Wed, 2018-04-18 at 13:41 +0100, Martín Ferrari wrote:
> > I believe that a-h is the natural starting point for dealing with
> > these issues.
>
> Most of the problems being discussed right now, and in general, seem
> to be of the sort where feelings are
Martin Steigerwald - 28.12.17, 13:41:
> Hello.
>
> This is long, it may invite disagreement, but I tried my best to avoid
> triggering any hurt feelings. In case you just want to be bothered with the
do not want of course.
I proof read the mail several times, but this still slippe
to relive the past.
Given current human experience it is also not possible to change it. But maybe
there is a way toward healing wounds.
Ian Jackson - 28.12.17, 11:20:
> Martin Steigerwald writes ("Re: Let's Stop Getting Torn Apart by
Disagreement: Concerns about the Technical Committee&qu
Hello Norbert.
Norbert Preining - 26.12.17, 15:28:
> On Mon, 06 Nov 2017, Russ Allbery wrote:
> > *This* is where I see the true source of the *ongoing* division in the
> > community. It's not over the technical decision. It's not even over the
> > decision-making process. It's that some
Dear Russ, dear Sam, dear people involved with Debian,
Russ Allbery - 28.10.17, 16:13:
> Martin Steigerwald <mar...@lichtvoll.de> writes:
> > I always found that just focusing on the technical aspects of the Init
> > system discussion left out… everything else. Eve
Hello Sam.
Sam Hartman - 27.10.17, 20:18:
> As a member of the technical committee, I've grown increasingly alarmed
> as I think about the impact of the issues that come to us.
> Yes, we're giving answers. However, I think we are doing a lot of harm
> to the members of our community in the
Hello Martin.
martin f krafft - 02.05.17, 07:39:
> and the product we ordered was
>
> Stanley,STTM528/STTW006,"Leads2,"Loves",Biobaumwolle
> + Fairtrade,Kids STTB938,"paints"
>
> at 4.79 €/piece. Printing was 2 € each, as well 30 € or so one-time
> incidentals, net price.
Okay, scratch
Gunnar Wolf - 01.05.17, 23:44:
> Martin Steigerwald dijo [Mon, May 01, 2017 at 10:13:58PM +0200]:
> > > Make it fair-trade and printed by people with disabilities, like
> > > we did for DC15, and it was somewhere around $8. I'd still buy
> > > a
Hello Daniel.
Am Samstag, 24. Dezember 2016, 09:32:16 CET schrieb Daniel Landre:
> I recently installed Debian Jesse on an old desktop, but I am not allowed
> to access the Debian Wiki from www.debian.org.
>
> Exactly why is that? As a new user of thee Debian Linux Desktop I try to
> find
On Samstag, 21. Mai 2016 10:53:34 CEST Vincent Bernat wrote:
> ❦ 21 mai 2016 10:24 +0200, Martin Steigerwald <mar...@lichtvoll.de> :
> > Still, the turn around time between upstream and debian release would be
> > quite high for Debian stable users, but maybe part of suc
On Samstag, 21. Mai 2016 11:13:41 CEST Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 10:07:43AM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> > I wonder about a landing page for upstreams interested in working with the
> > Debian project to provide packages within the official Debian repos
On Samstag, 21. Mai 2016 10:24:22 CEST Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> I wonder about some kind of adopt an upstream within a Debian team kind of
> approach. A landing page and mailing list where upstream can write in for
> getting help and advice and voicing their needs. And when there a
On Samstag, 21. Mai 2016 10:24:06 CEST Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> Et cetera. Debian has one set of quality factors it particularly cares
> about, and some upstreams think differently.
Yes, I seen all those reasons you mentioned.
I just wonder how about if upstreams can learn easily how to work
Hello Paul,
On Samstag, 21. Mai 2016 14:07:53 CEST Paul Wise wrote:
> On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Vincent Bernat wrote:
> > Totally agree. Our standards are far too high for many upstreams.
>
> I don't understand the disconnect here. Are upstreams not interested
> in software quality to the
Am Sonntag, 19. April 2015, 18:26:30 schrieb Cyril Brulebois:
Paul van der Vlis p...@vandervlis.nl (2015-04-19):
Op 19-04-15 om 18:01 schreef Michael Gilbert:
On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 11:44 AM, Paul van der Vlis wrote:
Hello,
I saw backports has been removed as default setting from
Am Sonntag, 19. April 2015, 20:15:04 schrieb Paul van der Vlis:
Op 19-04-15 om 19:44 schreef Martin Steigerwald:
Also, it would be nice to avoid starting threads in various places. I
already answered in:
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=764982
I am answering this mail
Hi Thomas!
Am Samstag, 30. November 2013, 18:32:19 schrieb Thomas Koch:
I'm just sitting with a friend of mine, a 70+ years old woman showing her a
linux Desktop. I've already manually hacked /usr/bin/startx to add -dpi
120...
An alternative may be setting DisplaySize :
merkaba:~ cat
Am Sonntag, 27. Oktober 2013, 07:58:03 schrieb Lars Wirzenius:
On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 09:00:20AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
Le Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 10:46:41AM -0700, Steve Langasek a écrit :
What do the rest of you think?
Given how arbitrarly other bans have been proposed, I think
Am Sonntag, 27. Oktober 2013, 08:54:30 schrieb Enrico Zini:
On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 05:27:25PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
Simply obfuscating the name on the list of banned users (or not posting
any names at all, only links to the posts that led to the ban) would
I'm in favour of not posting
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