On 26 June 2014 08:18, Ian Jackson ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk wrote:
Anthony Towns writes (Re: Maximum term for tech ctte members):
- Term limit: Every 1st of November, the most senior member of the
Technical Committee's is immediately and automatically removed
from
On 29 June 2014 19:14, Anthony Towns a...@erisian.com.au wrote:
On 26 June 2014 08:18, Ian Jackson ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk wrote:
Anthony Towns writes (Re: Maximum term for tech ctte members):
- Term limit: Every 1st of November, the most senior member of the
Technical
Anthony Towns writes (Re: Maximum term for tech ctte members):
On 30 May 2014 19:37, Anthony Towns a...@erisian.com.au wrote:
I might have another go at seeing if I can word it for rolling twelve
months, to see if that's workable.
Okay, so I gave it a go, and came up with:
This is a good
On 30 May 2014 19:37, Anthony Towns a...@erisian.com.au wrote:
I might have another go at seeing if I can word it for rolling twelve
months, to see if that's workable.
Okay, so I gave it a go, and came up with:
- A Technical Committee member's term will end upon resignation, removal
or
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 2:18 PM, Ian Jackson wrote:
Michael Gilbert writes (Re: Maximum term for tech ctte members):
On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 2:22 PM, Russ Allbery wrote:
I don't think this achieves the goal of rotating more project members
through the TC.
You could rotate people
On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 07:58:45PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
I'm still skeptical that something built around people typically serving
for eight years is the sort of turnover we want, but it's the conservative
approach and doesn't change too much at once. Which has some definite
merits.
I'm
Philip Hands writes (Re: Maximum term for tech ctte members):
I also wonder what is to be done about someone coming to the end of
their term during the middle of an ongoing discussion. How well do you
(Ian) think you'd have coped if you knew that the recent decisions had
to come to a vote
Michael Gilbert writes (Re: Maximum term for tech ctte members):
On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 2:22 PM, Russ Allbery wrote:
I don't think this achieves the goal of rotating more project members
through the TC.
You could rotate people in to serve in place of the TC members that
are on sabbatical
Matthias Urlichs writes (Re: Maximum term for tech ctte members):
Or, if we want an odd number of members, let three members step down
every two years.
We do want an odd number of members, I think. And 9 is better than 7.
This produces a very lumpy transition, where a third of the
committee's
Russ Allbery writes (Re: Maximum term for tech ctte members):
I'm not sure there's any need to say something about this, unless there's
a perception that the TC's process for selecting new members is somehow
broken.
If we introduce a constitutional term limit, the balance of power
between
Ian Jackson ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk writes:
Russ Allbery writes (Re: Maximum term for tech ctte members):
I'm not sure there's any need to say something about this, unless there's
a perception that the TC's process for selecting new members is somehow
broken.
If we introduce
On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 9:16 AM, Anthony Towns wrote:
Would anyone else be supportive of a proposal to set a term for tech ctte
membership?
No-one in the thread seems to be reading Planet Debian, but here is an
alternative proposal:
http://xana.scru.org/xana2/ranticore/techctte/
--
bye,
Paul Wise p...@debian.org writes:
No-one in the thread seems to be reading Planet Debian, but here is an
alternative proposal:
http://xana.scru.org/xana2/ranticore/techctte/
I do read Planet Debian, actually. But that's not a proposal. :)
I will say that term limits are not, in my mind,
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Russ Allbery wrote:
Paul Wise writes:
No-one in the thread seems to be reading Planet Debian, but here is an
alternative proposal:
http://xana.scru.org/xana2/ranticore/techctte/
I do read Planet Debian, actually. But that's not a proposal. :)
He appears
Paul Wise p...@debian.org writes:
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Russ Allbery wrote:
Paul Wise writes:
No-one in the thread seems to be reading Planet Debian, but here is an
alternative proposal:
http://xana.scru.org/xana2/ranticore/techctte/
I do read Planet Debian, actually. But
On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 11:02:17AM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
The Australian senate (our federal parliament) has 8 year terms. In
(6 year terms; same as the US senate as it happens. We have 3 years
terms the house of reps and hence prime minister as compared to 2 year
terms for the US hous of
On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 02:09:35PM -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote:
8 seems like it would be near ideal: turnover is dealt with only about
once per year, it is close to the average of the existing members
terms (7.385 years), and it's likely close the historical average
(although I haven't
Hi,
Anthony Towns:
That's an average of ~6 years, and a median of 5 years
You did not consider the current members.
should probably be scaled down given the lack of involvement of most of
those folks towards the end of their terms...
However, the current really-long-term members fail to
On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 10:37:05AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
If we want the opportunity to appoint new members regularly, rather
than expire old members per se, we could just say that: on July 1st,
the two longest serving ctte members' term expires to end up with (on
average) four year
On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 09:02:25AM +0200, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
Russ Allbery:
I had picked four-year terms because I think adding one member every six
months (or two members every year) is probably near the upper limit of
membership management that the TC can deal with and still get other
Anthony Towns a...@erisian.com.au writes:
On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 10:37:05AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
We could combine both features, though: set a term length of two years,
and then say that people can serve for two terms in succession but then
have to leave the committee for at least one
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 9:16 PM, Anthony Towns a...@erisian.com.au wrote:
Hello world,
Would anyone else be supportive of a proposal to set a term for tech ctte
membership?
The current tech ctte members were appointed:
Ian: May/Dec 1998 (15 years, 5 months) [0]
Bdale: Apr 2001 (13
On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 11:37:53AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
Yeah; I don't think that's a bad rule in general, but I'm not convinced
it's a great fit for the tech-ctte. The thought experiment that makes me
doubt it is if a compulsory x year break after n years of service makes
sense in
Anthony Towns a...@erisian.com.au writes:
Hmm, that doesn't really get to the point I was trying to reach. How
about:
Which is more important, avoiding sudden upheavals where possible,
or ensuring individual ctte members have breaks?
If the latter's more important, then it's better not
On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 1:37 PM, Russ Allbery wrote:
We could combine both features, though: set a term length of two years,
and then say that people can serve for two terms in succession but then
have to leave the committee for at least one term.
8 seems like it would be near ideal: turnover
Michael Gilbert mgilb...@debian.org writes:
On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 1:37 PM, Russ Allbery wrote:
We could combine both features, though: set a term length of two years,
and then say that people can serve for two terms in succession but then
have to leave the committee for at least one term.
On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 2:22 PM, Russ Allbery wrote:
We could combine both features, though: set a term length of two years,
and then say that people can serve for two terms in succession but then
have to leave the committee for at least one term.
8 seems like it would be near ideal: turnover
On 5/26/14, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote:
Michael Gilbert mgilb...@debian.org writes:
On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 1:37 PM, Russ Allbery wrote:
We could combine both features, though: set a term length of two years,
and then say that people can serve for two terms in succession but then
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 06:40:22PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
Anthony Towns a...@erisian.com.au writes:
Would anyone else be supportive of a proposal to set a term for tech
ctte membership?
I just mentioned this today in our TC meeting, so obviously I've been
thinking along these lines as
On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 01:07:11AM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 06:58:36PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
I believe a maximum of 5 years in a
row with a minimum 1-year suspension before being able to join again
would work well for our tech-ctte.
I think 5 years
On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 01:07:11AM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
- continuity is valuable in a body like the tech-ctte, where there
aren't that many decisions on a yearly basis (and hence, for instance,
it takes time to get new members up to speed).
You could get continuity by having
On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 01:07:11AM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
- more generally, I think that all Debian core teams (if not *all*
teams...) would benefit from a turnover process that requires
individual members to reaffirm, on a yearly basis, their continued
interest in keeping
Quoting Francesca Ciceri (2014-05-24 09:30:26)
Also:
http://blog.zouish.org/nonupdd/#/22 and the next 2-3 slides.
Very nice slides, the whole set!
(and I mean the content, not the slick wrapping)
- Jonas
--
* Jonas Smedegaard - idealist Internet-arkitekt
* Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website:
Anthony Towns a...@erisian.com.au writes:
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 06:40:22PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
Other bodies of this type take a variation on this approach (and of the
reappointment rule you propose below) that I quite like: after each
term, that member may not be reappointed for some
Hi Anthony,
On Freitag, 23. Mai 2014, Anthony Towns wrote:
Would anyone else be supportive of a proposal to set a term for tech ctte
membership?
yes.
YMMV. I think I'd rather second a proposal along these lines than actually
propose it...
me, too, sorry.
Thanks for bringing this up on
On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 06:58:36PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
]] Anthony Towns
Would anyone else be supportive of a proposal to set a term for tech
ctte membership?
Seconded as well.
I've a couple of contributions I wanted to make to this thread, even
though they've largely been
Hello world,
Would anyone else be supportive of a proposal to set a term for tech ctte
membership?
The current tech ctte members were appointed:
Ian: May/Dec 1998 (15 years, 5 months) [0]
Bdale: Apr 2001 (13 years, 1 month) [1]
Andreas: Jan 2006 (8 years, 4 months) [2]
Steve: Jan 2006 (8
Anthony Towns a...@erisian.com.au writes:
Would anyone else be supportive of a proposal to set a term for tech
ctte membership?
I just mentioned this today in our TC meeting, so obviously I've been
thinking along these lines as well and have been wondering if this would
be a good idea.
I
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