On Sat, Apr 08, 2023 at 02:37:56PM +0200, Emanuel Berg wrote:
> tomas wrote:
>
> >>> Perl is the best language, maybe Lisp is the best
> >>> language. But everything else isn't as good.
> >>
> >> Every categorical generalisation is wrong. (Even this one
> >> :) )
> >
> > I usually taunt people wi
On Sat, Apr 08, 2023 at 06:08:31AM +, davidson wrote:
[...]
> Clippy 2.0 has a hype train, and my BS detector is blazing like a
> forest fire.
Thank you for that one: "ChatGPT: Clippy Strikes Back".
Cheers
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On 08/04/2023 23:20, Greg Wooledge wrote:
One of the basic goals of structured programming languages was to
eliminate reliance on line numbers -- which were the hallmark of many
other languages in use at the time.
or reliance on labels (represented by numbers) for goto destination as
in early
On 4/8/2023 8:01 PM, David Christensen wrote:
On 4/8/23 07:17, songbird wrote:
i have a program that has changed it's behavior to suddenly
become a CPU hog (while doing something simple like uploading
files for my website). probably a bug, but it got me to
wondering how i could limit the CPU
Andy Smith writes:
>
> It is almost as if one small set of metrics aren't enough to decide,
> for everyone, in every case, which language should be used!
>
> Similarly, the idea posted in this thread to objectively quantify
> every feature a language can possibly have and then see which one
> has
In further response to two emails received from Mr. Davidson.
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Which Diff tool could I use for visually comparing
two text files where Word Wrap is possible?
From: davidson
Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2023 13:27:54 + (UTC)
Message-id: <[🔎]
Dear Mr. Davidson,
I just received an email from and tried implementing his advice on
columns. I have received messages from Mr. Sascha Steinbiss, the
maintainer for icdiff, and Mr. Jeff Kaufman, the original creator.
Copies of my emails have been sent you too.
My system's screen accommodated u
On 4/8/23 07:17, songbird wrote:
i have a program that has changed it's behavior to suddenly
become a CPU hog (while doing something simple like uploading
files for my website). probably a bug, but it got me to
wondering how i could limit the CPU temperature to a range
well below the maximum
On 09/04/2023 02:17, songbird wrote:
i have an intel processor and it has the MAX which does
prevent it from going higher (100C), but i'd like to keep it
at 70C or lower.
I recommend thermald, which I use to limit my fanless 65 W i7-7700 CPU
to 80°C, passively cooled with heat pipes connected
On 9/4/23 00:56, Stefan Monnier wrote:
I recommend to go fanless whenever possible.
Computers should be silent.
I have a fanless ARM router that even in high summer has no thermal
problems (I am in Australia and I have no aircon). It does have a
massive case bonded to the CPU
I also have
Hello,
On Mon, Apr 03, 2023 at 08:20:36PM +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> 1.00 is best, higher numbers indicate wastefulness.
>
> C has 1.00 for energy consumption and for processing time.
> For memory needs it's at rank 3 with 1.17.
> Perl has 79.58 for energy (rank 27 of 27), 65.79 for time (ran
On 4/8/23 02:40, Gareth Evans wrote:
On Sat 8 Apr 2023, at 03:20, gene heskett wrote:
Greetings all;
Where do I turn on cups debugging so I'll see every bit of traffic
addressed to cups from my local 192.168/xx.yy network?
The problem is: other buster machines on this local network can see a
On Sat, 2023-04-08 at 10:17 -0400, songbird wrote:
>
> i have an intel processor and it has the MAX which does
> prevent it from going higher (100C), but i'd like to keep it
> at 70C or lower.
>
> i've been trying to find anything that will let me set this
> but no luck yet in my searches.
I
rhkramer wrote:
>> I was never a fan of Dijkstra's "Go To Statement Considered
>> Harmful" and perceive modern spaghetti inheritence as more
>> obscure than any goto noodling.
>
> Good point!
But that's not modern :)
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On Saturday, April 08, 2023 01:44:48 PM Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> I was never a fan of Dijkstra's "Go To Statement Considered Harmful"
> and perceive modern spaghetti inheritence as more obscure than any goto
> noodling.
Good point!
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Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
...
> Maybe don't use FTP but use rsync - that way you can come back to it
> after a while and start again at the point you left off?
i have no control over what is listening at the other
end other than i sign on.
i can limit the FTP software to fewer connections and
On Sat, Apr 08, 2023 at 11:12:57PM +0530, Susmita/Rajib wrote:
>
> No, easier. I use Libre Office buttons for Left, Right, Centre or
> Justified alignment. No keystrokes. Only one Enter Key after a full
> stop, no space bar. But if Heading, then no full stop, no space bar,
> but only paragraph. No
Jeffrey Walton wrote:
>> What would happen, if we started a political movement based
>> on nationalism and Unix?
>>
>> What would be the first thing we would do when we get
>> installed as government?
>
> Annex the Netherlands, and take control of ASML.
> Annex Taiwan, and take control of TSMC.
I
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Which Diff tool could I use for visually comparing
two text files where Word Wrap is possible?
From: davidson
Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2023 13:27:54 + (UTC)
Message-id: <[🔎] alpine.deb.2.21.2304081043580.22...@azone.org>
In-reply-to
On Sat, Apr 8, 2023 at 1:29 PM Emanuel Berg wrote:
>
> >> I recommend to go fanless whenever possible.
> >> Computers should be silent.
> >
> > Yeah, optimally ...
>
> What would happen, if we started a political movement based on
> nationalism and Unix?
>
> What would be the first thing we would
Hi,
Greg Wooledge wrote:
> Yes, "structured programming" was the term used. Structured
> programming uses functions, while loops, if/then/else statements, and
> so on, instead of "GOTO 1230" type commands, to control a program's flow.
Like with Rocky Mountain BASIC of HP 9000 machines in contras
>> I recommend to go fanless whenever possible.
>> Computers should be silent.
>
> Yeah, optimally ...
What would happen, if we started a political movement based on
nationalism and Unix?
What would be the first thing we would do when we get
installed as government?
Maybe close the border or som
Stefan Monnier wrote:
> I recommend to go fanless whenever possible.
> Computers should be silent.
Yeah, optimally ...
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> i have a very tiny fan and heatsink that is right on
> the processor. the rest of the system is fanless (no
> fan for the PSU - no fancy GPU needed for what i do).
> i almost bought a bigger heatsink so that the entire
> thing could run without the fan, but the small fan
> provided with the CP
On 08/04/2023 22:17, Kushal Kumaran wrote:
Have you ever actually *made* a systemd --user unit file? If so, for
what purpose?
I have one. It starts emacs server for me when I login.
There is ready to use one: /usr/lib/systemd/user/emacs.service Perhaps
there is no such file in buster.
>>> Ha, but can't we do better, I would like all the
>>> properties (stuff possible to express and do) in
>>> a programming language encoded, and then count them to
>>> determine what language is the most powerful.
>>
>> We know that except for some particularly limited
>> languages, they'll all mu
> Yes, "structured programming" was the term used.
> Structured programming uses functions, while loops,
> if/then/else statements, and so on, instead of "GOTO 1230"
> type commands, to control a program's flow.
>
> One of the basic goals of structured programming languages
> was to eliminate relia
On 4/8/23 02:40, Gareth Evans wrote:
On Sat 8 Apr 2023, at 03:20, gene heskett wrote:
Greetings all;
Where do I turn on cups debugging so I'll see every bit of traffic
addressed to cups from my local 192.168/xx.yy network?
The problem is: other buster machines on this local network can see a
Stefan Monnier wrote:
>> Ha, but can't we do better, I would like all the properties
>> (stuff possible to express and do) in a programming
>> language encoded, and then count them to determine what
>> language is the most powerful.
>
> We know that except for some particularly limited languages,
Greg Wooledge wrote:
> Yes, "structured programming" was the term used.
> Structured programming uses functions, while loops,
> if/then/else statements, and so on, instead of "GOTO 1230"
> type commands, to control a program's flow.
>
> One of the basic goals of structured programming languages
>
> Ha, but can't we do better, I would like all the properties
> (stuff possible to express and do) in a programming language
> encoded, and then count them to determine what language is the
> most powerful.
We know that except for some particularly limited languages, they'll all
mutually equivalen
On Sat, Apr 08, 2023 at 10:23:15AM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> My first language was Algol, a language that wrote out keywords and such so
> that it was easier to understand (for me) what a given program was doing. It
> was also structured (if that is the right word), having things like g
On Sat, Apr 08, 2023 at 11:43:53AM -0400, songbird wrote:
> tv.debian wrote:
> ...
> > Also modern cpu do not suffer from high temperatures as much as the cpu
> > of yore, they use up all the thermal headroom they have, then throttle
> > the frequency/power to stay at that level. Of course the re
t...@myposts.ovh wrote:
...
> By using a fanner?
well-trained chipmunk?
songbird
Jeremy Nicoll wrote:
> On Sat, 8 Apr 2023, at 15:26, songbird wrote:
>> songbird wrote:
>> ...
>>> i've been trying to find anything that will let me set this
>>> but no luck yet in my searches.
>
> Surely you don't need to set a temperature limit? If you
> do, the cpu will still run (far too mu
On Sat, 8 Apr 2023, at 16:39, songbird wrote:
> only with this change to the FTP software has it become
> an annoyance that made me go look for a way to deal with
> it.
>
> filing a bug against the FTP software is also something
> i should do, but i've not gotten that far yet. ;)
Meantime, w
tv.debian wrote:
...
> Also modern cpu do not suffer from high temperatures as much as the cpu
> of yore, they use up all the thermal headroom they have, then throttle
> the frequency/power to stay at that level. Of course the rest of the
> system has to deal with the residual heat as well if it
Emanuel Berg wrote:
...
> But install fans and see if you still get high temperatures if
> you didn't (?) ...
i have a very tiny fan and heatsink that is right on
the processor. the rest of the system is fanless (no
fan for the PSU - no fancy GPU needed for what i do).
i almost bought a bigger
davidson wrote:
...
> I would do
>
> $ man -k limit
>
> and see what looked interesting. prlimit(1) looks like it has a lot of
> switches.
ok, thanks will look at that too. :)
songbird
On Sat, Apr 08 2023 at 08:39:14 AM, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 08, 2023 at 11:16:51AM +0200, Michel Verdier wrote:
>> Le 8 avril 2023 Andrew M. A. Cater a écrit :
>>
>> > Likewise for creating systemd unit files - NEVER "just start editing over
>> > the top" always have an example to work
On 08/04/2023 19:39, Greg Wooledge wrote:
Have you ever actually *made* a systemd --user unit file? If so, for
what purpose?
For LXC unprivileged containers that are stopped on logout.
Do you mean it is exceptional case when default user units need
adjustment? /usr/lib/systemd/user director
On Sat, 8 Apr 2023 Jeremy Nicoll wrote:
On Sat, 8 Apr 2023, at 15:26, songbird wrote:
songbird wrote:
...
i've been trying to find anything that will let me set this
but no luck yet in my searches.
Surely you don't need to set a temperature limit? If you
do, the cpu will still run (far too
songbird wrote:
> i have a program that has changed it's behavior to suddenly
> become a CPU hog (while doing something simple like
> uploading files for my website). probably a bug, but it got
> me to wondering how i could limit the CPU temperature to
> a range well below the maximum that kicks i
davidson wrote:
> On Sat, 8 Apr 2023 Emanuel Berg wrote:
>
>> Tom Dial wrote:
>>
> Look at the use of parentheses in Lisp [...]
I have thought about that - is Lisp possible without them?
But how do you then know priority? I'm sure someone tried
to get rid of them, but how?
Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> Here are three more data points.
>
>* Emacs - 41 CVEs since 2000 [1]
>* Vi - 61 CVEs since 1999 [2]
>* Vim - 656 CVEs since 2001 [3]
>
> I'm not sure how many CVEs overlap for Vim due to Vi.
Hm ... what does this stat indicate? :O
Haha why do Vim has so many?
Andy Smith wrote:
> That is, why are you asking people to convince you to like
> Perl? There are lots of languages and you appear to have
> found one you like better.
Maybe there is no answer in particular why Perl has
it's trajectory. Maybe it can't be expressed in a formula.
But I just get the
On Sat, 8 Apr 2023, at 15:26, songbird wrote:
> songbird wrote:
> ...
>> i've been trying to find anything that will let me set this
>> but no luck yet in my searches.
Surely you don't need to set a temperature limit? If you
do, the cpu will still run (far too much, but less than now)
up to tha
Stefan Monnier wrote:
>> Here are three more data points.
>>
>>* Emacs - 41 CVEs since 2000 [1]
>>* Vi - 61 CVEs since 1999 [2]
>>* Vim - 656 CVEs since 2001 [3]
>>
>> I'm not sure how many CVEs overlap for Vim due to Vi.
>
> I don't know what the number of CVEs tells us about
> a proj
Celejar wrote:
>> I agree but I think maybe the success of Python, and its
>> development speed, is actually because of some of that
>> rigidness, yes, including the whitespace lack of freedom.
>
> I'm no great programmer, and many posters in this thread are
> certainly far more proficient than I,
Le 08/04/2023 à 16:26, songbird wrote :
songbird wrote:
...
i've been trying to find anything that will let me set this
but no luck yet in my searches.
...
of course the moment i send the message it comes to me that
perhaps the BIOS will let me do this, but i don't want to reboot
at
On Sat, 8 Apr 2023 Emanuel Berg wrote:
Tom Dial wrote:
Look at the use of parentheses in Lisp [...]
I have thought about that - is Lisp possible without them?
But how do you then know priority? I'm sure someone tried
to get rid of them, but how?
Its quite a few years since I had anything to
debian-user wrote:
> But cropping and ignoring the actual point of Stefan's mail
> rather misses the point and insults him.
Those don't work on him anyway :)
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Greg Wooledge wrote:
> The word "via" appears in all three of your selections.
> That makes me think that the web site is using some kind of
> a "close-enough match" heuristic, and is (unhelpfully)
> matching "via" as close enough to "vim".
It's called the typographic attack vector ...
--
under
Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> The Vim folks had a bad week this week:
> https://ubuntu.com/security/notices/USN-5995-1 . There were
> 30 CVEs fixed this week.
What's the deal with that LOL :)
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songbird wrote:
...
> i've been trying to find anything that will let me set this
> but no luck yet in my searches.
...
of course the moment i send the message it comes to me that
perhaps the BIOS will let me do this, but i don't want to reboot
at the moment to check that. will check later
Tom Dial wrote:
>>> Look at the use of parentheses in Lisp [...]
>>>
>> I have thought about that - is Lisp possible without them?
>> But how do you then know priority? I'm sure someone tried
>> to get rid of them, but how?
>
> Its quite a few years since I had anything to do with Lisp,
> and even
On Saturday, April 08, 2023 09:55:14 AM Emanuel Berg wrote:
> Okay, can you boil it down to some one, two, maybe three main
> things that can answer the question why these languages have
> taken the different directions they have taken?
I think that in some | many cases, especially in the early da
On 2023-04-08 22:17, songbird wrote:
i have a program that has changed it's behavior to suddenly
become a CPU hog (while doing something simple like uploading
files for my website). probably a bug, but it got me to
wondering how i could limit the CPU temperature to a range
well below the maximum
Tom Dial wrote:
>>> Look at the use of parentheses in Lisp [...]
>>
>> I have thought about that - is Lisp possible without them?
>> But how do you then know priority? I'm sure someone tried
>> to get rid of them, but how?
>
> Its quite a few years since I had anything to do with Lisp,
> and even
i have a program that has changed it's behavior to suddenly
become a CPU hog (while doing something simple like uploading
files for my website). probably a bug, but it got me to
wondering how i could limit the CPU temperature to a range
well below the maximum that kicks in by the CPU itself.
Joel Roth wrote:
> There is a new object system being cooked up, based on
> decades of experience with OO in perl and other languages.
>
> There is already more than enough OO goodness for me to get
> my work done :-)
Guys, word on the street the former OO guys at C++ don't speak
of OO anymore, b
On Sat, 8 Apr 2023 davidson wrote:
On Fri, 7 Apr 2023 Susmita/Rajib wrote:
Hanging Style___
Also called the Epstein
style, this one is
probably not the one
you are using in
your document.
At least, not unless
you are writing a
glossary, or some
kind of dictionary.
Eduard Bloch wrote:
> I don't think so, Sir! Python has certain advantages but the
> "meaningful whitespace" is IMHO not one of them.
>
> That said, I have been an active Perl user ~20y ago
My rule is a couple of weeks is enough to get "damaged" from
it, some of that damage is good to have tho ..
davidson wrote:
>>> Here's a bash version. It's not fast, but at least it
>>> doesn't invoke perl repeatedly. (If you're going to invoke
>>> perl *at all* you should simply rewrite the whole thing in
>>> perl, IMHO, or at worst have a short sh script that pipes
>>> file's output to one perl invoca
On Fri, 7 Apr 2023 Susmita/Rajib wrote:
[trimmed: email headers included in message body]
Ok, I shall abide by your greater wisdom.
I deny this accusation.
I would have been better guided by a simple instruction to inform
you about the binary for the line breaks, paragraph marks, et
al. With
Greg Wooledge wrote:
> I am surprised this thread has not started
> a mini-flame war.
We are working on it ...
>>>
>>> Maybe i can help by stating that Perl and Python are among
>>> the largest resource hogs known in the world of languages.
>>
>> What, how do they know that, the
Michel Verdier wrote:
> #!/usr/bin/perl -w
>
> use strict;
>
> # echo $PATH | tr ':' '\n' | perl -MFile::Slurp -ne
> 'chomp;@e=read_dir($_,prefix=>1); print map "$_\n",@e'|xargs file|perl -pe
> 's/\S+\s+//'|grep -v 'symbolic link'|perl -pe 's/, dynamically
> linked.+//'|sort|uniq -c|sort -rn
>
On Sat, Apr 08, 2023 at 02:57:42PM +0200, Emanuel Berg wrote:
> Thomas Schmitt wrote:
>
> >>> I am surprised this thread has not started
> >>> a mini-flame war.
> >>
> >> We are working on it ...
> >
> > Maybe i can help by stating that Perl and Python are among
> > the largest resource hogs known
Thomas Schmitt wrote:
>>> I am surprised this thread has not started
>>> a mini-flame war.
>>
>> We are working on it ...
>
> Maybe i can help by stating that Perl and Python are among
> the largest resource hogs known in the world of languages.
What, how do they know that, they do the same compu
tomas wrote:
>> Put it this way, a novice Python programmer can do more in
>> Python than the novice Lisp programmer can do in Lisp, or,
>> if you will, the same in less time.
>
> I've seen people cutting off part of a door with a bread knife.
>
> If you measure a tool by what a novice can achieve
coreyh wrote:
>>> I think you should use Ruby if you like Ruby better!
>>
>> Perl is the best language, maybe Lisp is the best language.
>> But everything else isn't as good.
>
> The Language Wars Are Over: ChatGPT Won
> https://bourgoin.dev/posts/programming-languages/
Ha, but can't we do better
On Sat, Apr 08, 2023 at 11:16:51AM +0200, Michel Verdier wrote:
> Le 8 avril 2023 Andrew M. A. Cater a écrit :
>
> > Likewise for creating systemd unit files - NEVER "just start editing over
> > the top" always have an example to work from and save it. You can then
> > commit the series to git if
tomas wrote:
>>> Perl is the best language, maybe Lisp is the best
>>> language. But everything else isn't as good.
>>
>> Every categorical generalisation is wrong. (Even this one
>> :) )
>
> I usually taunt people with "All generalizations suck".
Can't it be the exception to confirm the rule?
On 4/7/23 23:40, davidson wrote:
On Sat, 8 Apr 2023 t...@myposts.ovh wrote:
Hello
in bash shell, what's "$_" variable?
kent@westk-9463:~$ ls *html
morsekeyer.html morse.html myGameEasier.html myGame.html
The 'ls *html' "expands" to "ls morsekeyer.html morse.html
myGameEasier.html myGa
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: paragraph conversion (was Re: Which Diff tool could I use
for visually comparing two text files where Word Wrap is possible?)
From: davidson
Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2023 05:47:45 + (UTC)
Message-id: <[🔎] alpine.deb.2.21.2304080512420.28...
Le 8 avril 2023 Andrew M. A. Cater a écrit :
> Likewise for creating systemd unit files - NEVER "just start editing over
> the top" always have an example to work from and save it. You can then
> commit the series to git if you want to record exact changes.
systemd user files can be put in ~/.con
On Sat, Apr 08, 2023 at 11:45:50AM +1200, Alex King wrote:
> See man crontab.
>
> There are 2 ways of maintaining your crontab:
>
> crontab [ -u user ] file
> ...
> The first form of this command is used to install a new crontab from some
> named file
>
> I.e. you can keep a file in your
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